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Post by Soccerhouse on Feb 18, 2020 15:34:20 GMT -5
How was/is the current u12 boys group this season?
with all the top teams playing would be interesting to see/here the competition level? Is AU on another level then the other teams or is the league competitive.
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Post by Keeper on Feb 18, 2020 16:47:07 GMT -5
I agree with atv , it affects the girls more than the boys due to the already consolidated nature of the girls side. On the boys side it wont attract KSA, Athens, Rome, etc. On the girls side...Inter, CFC and Roswell would be dumb to put their top teams into this glass ceiling hierarchy when most of those teams are currently playing in NL. Stay in GA soccer and have easier access to 2nd tier NL is better than being outside looking in on SCCL. Will see what happens regarding AFU and AFC, but there's 2 clubs that probably should be relegated from SCCL THIS YEAR. I don't see a clear pathway to SCCL...only the vague statement of such. On the boys side I think you are right. I see at least one club that should definitely be kicked out of SCCL Top Division. That would be GSA. They are consistently at the bottom of the top division on the boys side. Same goes for their teams in SCCL-P as well. Most of those SCCL-P team for them need to be playing SCCL-2 or SCCL-3 next season. Probably won't happen though, because if you think about it if GSA is going to get a team in each of their divisions, this team currently in SCCL and SCCL-P are the best two teams or their 2nd and 3rd best teams in their club. They don't have any team below them that are better than their current teams they got in there. Funny as GSA is the club that keeps AFU out of SCCL (top). Gsa isn’t strong or good enough to keep players if they had to be equal with AFU. |
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Post by Soccerhouse on Feb 18, 2020 16:49:13 GMT -5
All I know is this - when I'm in charge of the Federation, things will be different...much different....
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Post by soccerlegacy on Feb 18, 2020 18:58:47 GMT -5
Odd is we were told there would be no Atlanta expansion to SCCL in January. Though I wouldn’t be surprised to see outer expansion especially with the other ECNL clubs looking for a Regional league like the new one in Carolina. Could you expand on this statement...? Are ECNL clubs in Georgia looking to create or join an ECNL Regional League this fall? |
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Post by soccerfutbolfam on Feb 18, 2020 19:05:23 GMT -5
On the boys side I think you are right. I see at least one club that should definitely be kicked out of SCCL Top Division. That would be GSA. They are consistently at the bottom of the top division on the boys side. Same goes for their teams in SCCL-P as well. Most of those SCCL-P team for them need to be playing SCCL-2 or SCCL-3 next season. Probably won't happen though, because if you think about it if GSA is going to get a team in each of their divisions, this team currently in SCCL and SCCL-P are the best two teams or their 2nd and 3rd best teams in their club. They don't have any team below them that are better than their current teams they got in there. Funny as GSA is the club that keeps AFU out of SCCL (top). Gsa isn’t strong or good enough to keep players if they had to be equal with AFU. Both of these statements about GSA are curious and since it's the time of year for parents to start thinking about next year, I thought I'd look up the stats - Here are the results from the Fall Boys side: U12: 4th and 12th place (out of 14) U13: 2nd (out of 8) U14: 4th (out of 8) U15: 7th (out of 8) U16: 6th (out of 8) U17: 5th (out of 8) U19: 3rd (out of 8) Girls side: U12: 8th and 9th (out of 13) U13: 6th (out of 8) U14: 7th (out of 8) U15: 1st (out of 8) U16: 2nd (out of 8) U17: 6th (out of 8) U19: 3rd (out of 8) |
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Post by soccerlegacy on Feb 18, 2020 19:31:32 GMT -5
South Atlantic NPL is a mess at this point, it isn't standing under its own weight. Losing 5 clubs in 2 years tells you the league isn't as great as we'd like to think it is. Currently they have 6 clubs for 2020-21 and at this point and 2 of them are over a 5-hour drive from ATL, would arbitrarily adding more clubs be a step down? This is the only reason I'd postulate that AFC needs a better option for their first teams. CESA and SCUFC should be pulling out of SCCL/SCCL-P, no reason for their 3rd teams (if they even have many 3rd teams) to travel much out of state for competitive soccer when there should be plenty of teams at that level in-state. @soccerhouse ...add NTH and DPL to that statement also. I think all these big clubs want a "sellable" intermediate travel 2nd tier league for their 2nd teams (NPL for SSA/UFA, DPL for NTH), which for most of the clubs is justifiable. And to what many have been saying relative to NL and SCCL, I think the top 2-3 SCCL teams can compete in NL, but the NL Piedmont should than SCCL overall as a league. Can you edit or clarify the last sentence you stated? I agree with NPL being a mess and that they and DPL should join with the SCCL to division, but couldn't tell what you were trying to say concerning NL Piedmont and the top 2-3 teams on the SCCL and the actual NL.... |
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Post by soccerlegacy on Feb 18, 2020 19:35:37 GMT -5
Everyone is talking about pro/reg into the SCCL top division... what about thoese teams that are at the top of the SCCL? Do they have a pathway into the ECNL? I mean it's sort of the same thing. These are essentially seperate leagues, but most know that the bottom of the ECNL probably shouldn't be in that league and where the SCCL probably has teams top teams that should be in the ECNL.
Just my thoughts and oinion...
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Post by flamengo100 on Feb 18, 2020 20:28:58 GMT -5
I know that the SCCL is actively recruiting Ambush but don't know if the club has made a decision to join.
What are the benefits of SCCL over GPL?
The only issue I have with GA. Soccer is my impression that there is no oversight with birth certificates/verify ages.
I've been a TM for years and have never done anything with birth certificates for my team.
I've never questioned the ages of kids when we have played ENCL, SCCL teams in tournaments but highly question three different clubs in GA Soccer.
My concern with the SCCL that has been outlined is communication.
My only experience is with different tournaments hosted by GSA and Concorde and last minute schedule/placement changes with no communication.
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Post by atlfutboldad on Feb 18, 2020 20:33:52 GMT -5
UFA, NTH, CF, GSA, AFU and SSA (through CF) all have a league above SCCL. Players who excel in SCCL should tryout for top teams. SCCL is a club-based a 2nd tier league and designed to be so.
My statement about NL and SCCL is that by and large NL is top to bottom better than SCCL. The top 3 of an SCCL bracket can probably easily play with the NL teams, but i'm not sure the bottom half to 2/3 can.
And by NL, I mean NL Piedmont conference. Too much effort to type that out every time.
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Post by soccermaxx72 on Feb 18, 2020 21:18:04 GMT -5
UFA, NTH, CF, GSA, AFU and SSA (through CF) all have a league above SCCL. Players who excel in SCCL should tryout for top teams. SCCL is a club-based a 2nd tier league and designed to be so. My statement about NL and SCCL is that by and large NL is top to bottom better than SCCL. The top 3 of an SCCL bracket can probably easily play with the NL teams, but i'm not sure the bottom half to 2/3 can. And by NL, I mean NL Piedmont conference. Too much effort to type that out every time. Excellent summary, no need for promotion from SCCL to ecnl as that already exists, if your player is good enough try out for the ecnl team there. Otherwise if want pro/relegation and can’t for whatever reason do ecnl than find a piedmont team to join and drop the big 5. My daughter and I have Been filling out tons of questions/camp Id forms recently and the universities only list/identify DA, ECNL, and some NL. That should be the leagues to focus on if looking for future opportunities. Georgia Soccer May be weak in some opinions but nationally the USYS NL system is still highly regarded by college coaches, don’t let your myopic view of Georgia Soccer cloud that. If college doesn’t matter than play with friends in SCCL and stop complaining |
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Post by oraclesfriend on Feb 18, 2020 21:51:41 GMT -5
UFA, NTH, CF, GSA, AFU and SSA (through CF) all have a league above SCCL. Players who excel in SCCL should tryout for top teams. SCCL is a club-based a 2nd tier league and designed to be so. My statement about NL and SCCL is that by and large NL is top to bottom better than SCCL. The top 3 of an SCCL bracket can probably easily play with the NL teams, but i'm not sure the bottom half to 2/3 can. And by NL, I mean NL Piedmont conference. Too much effort to type that out every time. Excellent summary, no need for promotion from SCCL to ecnl as that already exists, if your player is good enough try out for the ecnl team there. Otherwise if want pro/relegation and can’t for whatever reason do ecnl than find a piedmont team to join and drop the big 5. My daughter and I have Been filling out tons of questions/camp Id forms recently and the universities only list/identify DA, ECNL, and some NL. That should be the leagues to focus on if looking for future opportunities. Georgia Soccer May be weak in some opinions but nationally the USYS NL system is still highly regarded by college coaches, don’t let your myopic view of Georgia Soccer cloud that. If college doesn’t matter than play with friends in SCCL and stop complaining So we have seen the colleges list DA, ECNL, NL, NPL in the past. But this year there was one that asked if you were R3PL. Hahaha! Obviously the colleges aren't paying attention! I also think that what leagues they are interested in is very region dependent. Some of the northeast schools ask about EDP. |
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Post by ultimatedad on Feb 19, 2020 7:18:11 GMT -5
Why not reshuffle every year? Top 3 clubs stay up and the bottom 3 clubs go down on mass.
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Post by slickdaddy96 on Feb 19, 2020 7:47:54 GMT -5
Funny as GSA is the club that keeps AFU out of SCCL (top). Gsa isn’t strong or good enough to keep players if they had to be equal with AFU. Both of these statements about GSA are curious and since it's the time of year for parents to start thinking about next year, I thought I'd look up the stats - Here are the results from the Fall Boys side: U12: 4th and 12th place (out of 14) U13: 2nd (out of 8) U14: 4th (out of 8) U15: 7th (out of 8) U16: 6th (out of 8) U17: 5th (out of 8) U19: 3rd (out of 8) Girls side: U12: 8th and 9th (out of 13) U13: 6th (out of 8) U14: 7th (out of 8) U15: 1st (out of 8) U16: 2nd (out of 8) U17: 6th (out of 8) U19: 3rd (out of 8) I didn't look at the SCCL stats. I was referring to SCCL-P. I know that those are not accurate for SCCL-P |
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Post by slickdaddy96 on Feb 19, 2020 8:40:35 GMT -5
I know that the SCCL is actively recruiting Ambush but don't know if the club has made a decision to join. What are the benefits of SCCL over GPL? The only issue I have with GA. Soccer is my impression that there is no oversight with birth certificates/verify ages. I've been a TM for years and have never done anything with birth certificates for my team. I've never questioned the ages of kids when we have played ENCL, SCCL teams in tournaments but highly question three different clubs in GA Soccer. My concern with the SCCL that has been outlined is communication. My only experience is with different tournaments hosted by GSA and Concorde and last minute schedule/placement changes with no communication. Your next to last paragraph is spot on. SCCL (and I assume all Club Soccer based leagues) do check the Birth Certificates where GA Soccer doesn't even require them to be uploaded anymore and haven't for several years and just trust the clubs are being honest. Now that still doesn't stop a person from uploading a fake birth certificate if they really wanted to, and I'm not sure US Club Soccer could figure that out or not, but the deterrent to not cheat is better for SCCL versus GA Soccer. I agree there are 2-3 clubs out there that field players that I question if they are indeed the age and people the rosters and game cards say they are. We all know at least who 1-2 of those clubs are. Communications have been better in SCCL this Spring season over last Fall at least for our club. We'll see if that continues or not. Tournaments are always a crapshoot with schedules getting posted late or changed late. A lot of times it has to do with fields not being playable due to weather, etc.... but other times it is indeed ineptness on the club's part. |
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Post by soccernoleuk on Feb 19, 2020 10:32:19 GMT -5
I don't see the core Big 5 Atlanta clubs ever leaving the top level of SCCL. I also don't see BUSA or VHSC leaving as they are essentially travel partners. When the Atlanta teams travel to Birmingham, they are supposed to play one team Saturday and the other Sunday. If one club leaves SCCL I would think the other would need to leave as well as travel becomes an issue. As for CESA, if their second team is going to ECRL, I don't see how they can maintain a team at the top level of SCCL.
If I were part of the brain trust, I would expand the top level of SCCL to either 10 or 12 teams. I would keep the original members as long as they maintain the same level of team in the league that they have now. In addition I would implement the following...
- Split the league into 2 divisions.
- Schedule each division to play each other team within their division home & away in each season (fall and spring). Then schedule 1 game cross division against each team in the other division each season. If you play away in the fall, then you host in the spring. (With 10 teams the schedule would contain 13 games a season, with 12 teams the schedule would contain 16 games a season).
- Keep standings for the entire year and not just a single season (younger age groups) where you reset for the spring.
- With the original 8 safe, the other 2 or 4 teams are subject to relegation to SCCL Premier-1.
- Keep some sort of point system based on where teams finish in the standings. The club at the bottom of the standings, if one of the non-original clubs, is subject to relegation IF a club from SCCL Premier-1 meets criteria to be promoted (promotion criteria needs to be spelled out and I haven't thought that far ahead yet).
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Post by atlfutboldad on Feb 19, 2020 12:05:47 GMT -5
I agree on expansion of SCCL splitting it into divisions. On the AL side maybe add a Montgomery club and Auburn Thunder, Chattanooga Red Wolves and one more (FC Alliance 2nd team?). So 2 6-team divisions? They could do home-and-away with local division and alternate home/away with the other side? 8-team divisions is also possible, but only play half of the other division.
if I had to guess, SCCL-P East will likely disappear back into SCYSA next year.
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Post by slickdaddy96 on Feb 19, 2020 13:46:14 GMT -5
I agree on expansion of SCCL splitting it into divisions. On the AL side maybe add a Montgomery club and Auburn Thunder, Chattanooga Red Wolves and one more (FC Alliance 2nd team?). So 2 6-team divisions? They could do home-and-away with local division and alternate home/away with the other side? 8-team divisions is also possible, but only play half of the other division. if I had to guess, SCCL-P East will likely disappear back into SCYSA next year. I sure as hell hope so. Maybe these crossover weekend events will go away as well then. SCCL-P pushing people through their travel agent to book hotels etc... Money grab all around there. It doesn't make sense to even have a east division in SCCL-P, and they can take Carolina FC with them as well. Carolina FC definitely has it better than the metro clubs. Most of us have to drive 6 hours round trip to play one game, where they make a weekend out of it and play multiple games in a weekend when they come to Atlanta. They either need to get rid of Carolina FC or add another close SC club where the GA teams can play more than one game for such travel. |
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Post by atlfutboldad on Feb 19, 2020 14:01:17 GMT -5
I don't expect Carolina FC will play the ATL clubs next year. By and large they got demolished, but had 2 teams win their divisions. Makes more sense for them to play Carolina clubs. They're probably at CESA 3rd team level overall.
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Post by Keeper on Feb 19, 2020 14:35:16 GMT -5
Odd is we were told there would be no Atlanta expansion to SCCL in January. Though I wouldn’t be surprised to see outer expansion especially with the other ECNL clubs looking for a Regional league like the new one in Carolina. Could you expand on this statement...? Are ECNL clubs in Georgia looking to create or join an ECNL Regional League this fall? Yes, we were told ECNL wants to make another Regional League in this area. SCCL does nothing for the ECNL/USClub brand so they’d want something to help the other ECNL clubs in the area (mainly FC Alliance, Tennessee SC, and Alabama FC) |
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Post by atlfutboldad on Feb 19, 2020 15:12:30 GMT -5
Is UFA Forsyth putting their Premier team in DPL next year? This would follow the standard of DA clubs putting 2nd teams in DPL like out west and further the decline of South Atlantic NPL. I'm sure ECRL could form a Southeast league bringing together both Tennessee ECNL clubs 2nd teams, ALFC (currently BUSA SCCL...they would likely get some players from VHSC), AFU (currently SCCL-P), GSA (SCCL), Concorde (SCCL), and SSA (NPL) and probably snag AFC (NPL) also. That would open SCCL top division up to more clubs and basically meet everyone's needs (including allowing AFC to grow into possibly an ECNL level club). Would probably be a good time for south Alabama clubs to create another alliance club based in Montgomery to apply for ECNL (serving Auburn Moblie, Dothan, etc).
I doubt a Southeast ECRL happens this fall though, but would like to see it happen. |
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Post by baller84 on Feb 19, 2020 17:05:07 GMT -5
One, where’s Atlanta Fire? Two, bye bye Ga Soccer as we know it. Athena/Classic without any Big 5 teams will make another huge dent in competition. Three, get ready for nothing but mediocre soccer! Mediocre soccer definition depends on taste. Some will call mediocre anything below DA, while others may like SCCL-P or CLI as it is today. Also, the impact you refer to is in HS ages mainly. I don't think this is the case in younger ages. 13U boys for example I don't see any teams from the big 5 in NL or in GPL, just one in Classic I. And CLI is now what CLII was. Will be interesting to see how these GA teams do in NL this spring. Those are very good teams with players who chose to stay with their coach and teammates and play in NL, as opposed to going to a bigger club's 2nd team to play SCCL or NPL. At 12U Pre-GPL I only see 3 from big clubs and many of the rest of them compete just fine with AU and other DA clubs. And there are parents in the academy age groups who have never heard of clubs other than their own or those that they play against, and they're quite happy. |
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Post by oraclesfriend on Feb 19, 2020 17:46:20 GMT -5
The problem with ECRL in the southeast using Tennessee is that they play high school in the fall. That is why they aren't in our division to begin with (statement about GIRLS only). So how would ECRL work with opposite high school seasons? And if Florida is in with GA/AL/TN who would be happy to travel to Florida to play second teams? I hear a lot of complaining from ECNL parents about Florida travel.
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Post by soccerfutbolfam on Feb 19, 2020 17:57:49 GMT -5
Both of these statements about GSA are curious and since it's the time of year for parents to start thinking about next year, I thought I'd look up the stats - Here are the results from the Fall Boys side: U12: 4th and 12th place (out of 14) U13: 2nd (out of 8) U14: 4th (out of 8) U15: 7th (out of 8) U16: 6th (out of 8) U17: 5th (out of 8) U19: 3rd (out of 8) Girls side: U12: 8th and 9th (out of 13) U13: 6th (out of 8) U14: 7th (out of 8) U15: 1st (out of 8) U16: 2nd (out of 8) U17: 6th (out of 8) U19: 3rd (out of 8) I didn't look at the SCCL stats. I was referring to SCCL-P. I know that those are not accurate for SCCL-P In your post you said " I see at least one club that should definitely be kicked out of SCCL Top Division. That would be GSA." So I gave you the SCCL top division stats. The SCCL-P - is the third team at GSA - First team is ECNL, Second is SCCL and SCCL-P is the third one. With that being the case, is it still your opinion GSA should be kicked out of SCCL top division? I would expect the GSA SCCL-P to struggle against clubs like AFU who don't currently have an SCCL team - and the AFU SCCL-P team is actually their 'second' team under their first team which is ECNL (just using AFU as an example) |
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Post by atlfutboldad on Feb 19, 2020 18:11:51 GMT -5
A BIG NO to Florida in a southeast ECRL, they can form their own league if need be (convert their NPL to ECRL). 4 hours away should be max for a tier 2 regional league.
Florida is about to ruin what for a couple years now has seemed to be a well setup NL Piedmont conference. IMO it wont be too long before more parents at those clubs start looking toward SCCL as a less-painful option.
There are too many "elite" clubs in Florida, the whole state probably should go All-In On ECNL or DA.
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Post by soccerlegacy on Feb 20, 2020 15:17:17 GMT -5
Could you expand on this statement...? Are ECNL clubs in Georgia looking to create or join an ECNL Regional League this fall? Yes, we were told ECNL wants to make another Regional League in this area. SCCL does nothing for the ECNL/USClub brand so they’d want something to help the other ECNL clubs in the area (mainly FC Alliance, Tennessee SC, and Alabama FC) Thanks for the response and inisght. I know it's all speculation and conjecture at this point, but I respect your opinions on here and consider your insights to be reliable and accurate a lot of the time. Do you know if they are talking about this happening this fall? I would normally agree with atlfutboldad that it couldn't come together that fast, but I've been shocked before... much like DPL happened... |
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Post by atlfutboldad on Feb 20, 2020 15:22:01 GMT -5
They just got finished establishing pro/rel for SCCL, no way they're thinking far enough outside the box to all come together and apply to ECNL for a new Regional league.
When UFA announces DPL, I'm sure some of the presidents/DoC's are gonna turn their heads and say "Wait, what are they doing over there? Hey, we should do that!"
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Post by Soccerhouse on Feb 20, 2020 15:27:02 GMT -5
I find it all interesting, all the SCCL talk especially for the girls:
Basically UFA is hyping the crap out of SCCL and now also saying it's not good enough for our 2nd teams so we need DPL....(following the lead of Concorde and Tophat)
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Post by Futsal Gawdess on Feb 20, 2020 15:48:27 GMT -5
The problem with ECRL in the southeast using Tennessee is that they play high school in the fall. That is why they aren't in our division to begin with (statement about GIRLS only). So how would ECRL work with opposite high school seasons? And if Florida is in with GA/AL/TN who would be happy to travel to Florida to play second teams? I hear a lot of complaining from ECNL parents about Florida travel. Honestly(not directed at you, obviously), please tell those parents to shut-it about Florida. They chose to do ECNL, half of their regular season teams are in Florida. If you want to do minimal travel, return to SCCL. I believe that may be the league with the least amount of travel currently... |
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Post by atlfutboldad on Feb 20, 2020 15:51:03 GMT -5
I find it all interesting, all the SCCL talk especially for the girls: Basically UFA is hyping the crap out of SCCL and now also saying it's not good enough for our 2nd teams so we need DPL....(following the lead of Concorde and Tophat) But it never was. Its good enough for that "other location", the Forsyth premier team deserves better.  (that's joke, don't get bent out of shape UFA folks)
I think the administration at USYS and GA Soccer must have had a big role in all this. The organization should be representative of members (basically a congress of club presidents) with some administrative personnel, as opposed to an over-arching top-down organization. SCCL was formed by the clubs for the clubs and run by the clubs as a result, without a true "leader" as far as I can tell. And now those clubs are arguably attempting to replace Georgia Soccer. No way are they able to fill SCCL-P down to a 3rd tier (on the girls side). Will be very interesting to see when those summer SCCL brackets come out.
@fg, agreed, ECNL is what it is. They want to be in a top league, that's what happens. I'm personally only arguing that any new regional travel league not include FL. I think its a dumb move for Piedmont conference to include Florida (Sunshine conference dying is Florida Youth Soccer's fault), I think it'll end up sending more families in the SCCL direction.
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Post by Futsal Gawdess on Feb 20, 2020 15:54:05 GMT -5
I don't see the core Big 5 Atlanta clubs ever leaving the top level of SCCL. I also don't see BUSA or VHSC leaving as they are essentially travel partners. When the Atlanta teams travel to Birmingham, they are supposed to play one team Saturday and the other Sunday. If one club leaves SCCL I would think the other would need to leave as well as travel becomes an issue. As for CESA, if their second team is going to ECRL, I don't see how they can maintain a team at the top level of SCCL. I've heard DPL may be going to Greer also... |
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(that's joke, don't get bent out of shape UFA folks)