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Post by atv on Mar 12, 2020 16:49:54 GMT -5
I just harp on one thing and that is the athletes council -- they could have changed the election and put in a president that actually could make a difference. Heather O’Reilly was on that council and is just as much are part of the problem. When they voted Carlos Cordeiro in, it was voting for no changes. Athletes Council jumping on the bandwagon
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Post by Soccerhouse on Mar 12, 2020 18:56:22 GMT -5
Heather finally speaks up! been waiting 3 years for this!
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Post by atv on Mar 12, 2020 19:14:14 GMT -5
Rocco Commisso (NY Cosmos) publishes a statement.
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Post by atlfutboldad on Mar 12, 2020 20:13:39 GMT -5
Good time for a change. Oust the president. Get a strong coach for the men's team. Revisit the idea that USSF should be in the league running business.
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Post by Futsal Gawdess on Mar 13, 2020 4:23:18 GMT -5
I think this lawsuit for equal pay (but not equal accommodations) is truly silly. However, this skill argument by US Soccer was stupid, and true or not, irrelevant. The pay issues are exclusively tethered to revenue and profit. Revenue/profit may be related to skill set of players, but not necessarily. Serena Williams has a UTR rating (objective/nongender specific tennis rating) which would put her comparable to a very high level college male player and she wouldn't be close to the top 200 in the world on the men's professional side. If tickets were being sold to see a match between the 100th v. 99th ranked men or Serena v. Sloane Stevens, which match would pack the stands? Clearly not the higher ranked/better men. So, US Soccer's counsel made a very stupid argument that actually goes against what they are trying to prove--its about revenue and profit not results (or skill)--and also just undermined US Soccer's PR position. Finally an argument that is laid out in a concise and articulate manner, speaking to the facts, the reality and not some misogynistic, inbred way of thinking, like some who shall remain unnamed. As many have stated, this argument is not a simple apples to apples comparison. One does have to factor in the revenue generated and the fairness doctrine of outside forces like ticket sales, TV, FIFA(🙄), sponsorship, butts in seats and let's not forget the CBA that was agreed to by all parties. I don't envy anyone in this legal dance that has to iron this out and reach some type of resolution, I just hope that now that Cordeiro is gone, all parties can find an amicable resolution that will put this whole argument in the rear view mirror 🙌🙌🙌
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Post by atlfutboldad on Mar 17, 2020 14:02:27 GMT -5
www.si.com/soccer/2020/03/17/uswnt-us-soccer-gender-discrimination-lawsuit-expert-witnessesUSWNT attempting to have the judge bar witnesses for USSF. Reading through the article they're trying to discredit to the judge the experts USSF has to backup its case as irrelevant. Again, I'm of the opinion that aside from the peripherals (accommodations, training facilities) that this effort is motivated by greed of the existing players wanting to get men's FIFA money rather than trying to further the women's cause. And I think that in the long-term it will hurt future USWNT players potential earnings/CBA position. "We won more games, we should be paid more than them" is purely an emotional argument.
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Post by mistergrinch on Mar 17, 2020 15:09:54 GMT -5
(this is satire for the humor-impaired)
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Post by atv on May 2, 2020 6:04:55 GMT -5
This is pretty much over. Lawsuit was thrown out by a district court judge.
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Court grants summary judgment for U.S. Soccer on key aspect of WNT lawsuit, handing federation big win by Paul Kennedy @pkedit, 4 hours ago A U.S. district court judge handed U.S. Soccer a big victory in the class action lawsuit filed by 28 members of the U.S. women's national team.
Judge R. Gary Klausner on Friday granted U.S. Soccer's motion for summary judgment in part, ruling that the case the players presented was insufficient to create a genuine issue of material fact on which to go to trial under the Equal Pay Act, namely the issue of whether the women were paid less than men's national team players.
In the two key findings, the court ruled:
1. "It appears that the WNT did not make more money than the MNT solely because they played more games. Rather, the WNT both played more games and made more money than the MNT per game."
The court cited evidence offered by a federation expert witness that for games in the period 2015-19 the women's national team averaged $220,747 per game (a total of $24.5 million over 111 games) and the men's national team averaged $212,639 per game (for a total of $18.5 million over 87 games).
(Not included in those figures were such things as per-diem payments, payments to the respective players associations or payments to women's national team players for the NWSL salaries.
2. On the women's argument that they would have earned more under the terms of the men's collective bargaining agreement because of the men's higher bonuses, it "discounts the value that the team placed on the guaranteed benefits they receive under their agreement, which they opted for."
The women's collective bargaining agreement reached in 2017 included full-time contracts and severance, something the men don't receive.
“The history of negotiations," the court wrote, "between the parties demonstrates that the WNT rejected an offer to be paid under the same pay-to-play structure as the MNT, and the WNT was willing to forgo higher bonuses for benefits, such as greater base compensation and the guarantee of a higher number of contracted players.
"Accordingly, plaintiffs cannot now retroactively deem their CBA worse than the MNT CBA by reference to what they would have made had they been paid under the MNT’s pay-to-play terms structure when they themselves rejected such a structure."
The court added that not only was the women's players' argument wrong to compare their pay under their agreement and under the terms of the men's CBA but it ignored the economic value of the "insurance" benefit of their agreement.
The ruling as it related the players' case under Title VII of the Civil Rights Act was a mixed bag.
The court found for the federation on the issue of games played on artificial turf but allowed claims of disparities in charter flights, hotel accommodations and support services (medical and training support staff) to go to trial, now scheduled for June 16. (The court noted that U.S. Soccer had not asked for summary judgment on the claims going forward related to hotel accommodations and support services.)
The players, whose damages they estimated at $66.7 million, will appeal the ruling.
Whatever the outcome of any appeal or any verdict in the parts of the case that remain, the federation's victory comes at a great cost.
Forget the legal fees it has paid, the federation lost lots of good will for the inflammatory filings (later dropped) of its attorneys (later replaced), and the case led to the resignation of president Carlos Cordeiro and apologies from his successor, Cindy Parlow Cone.
Here are key parts of the Equal Pay Act and Title VII of the Civil Rights Act:
-- The Equal Pay Act provides that an employer cannot discriminate between employees on the basis of sex by "paying wages to employees in such establishment at a rate less than the rate at which he pays wages to employees of the opposite sex ... for equal work on jobs the performance of which requires equal skill, effort, and responsibility, and which are performed under similar working conditions.”
-- Title VII prohibits employers from discriminating against any employee with respect to her “compensation, terms, conditions, or privileges of employment, because of such individual’s race, color, religion, sex, or national origin.” (Unlike under the Equal Pay Act, plaintiffs alleging sex-based compensation discrimination under Title VII need not establish that they are performing equal work for unequal pay. They need only show that sex “was a motivating factor for any employment practice, even though other factors also motivated the practice.”)
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Post by atlfutboldad on May 2, 2020 10:46:59 GMT -5
Cool, DA back on?
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