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Post by footyfan on Apr 20, 2020 19:46:19 GMT -5
The Journal of the American Medical Association just put out a report. One of the authors from MIT stated what I assumed was common knowledge: That when people are outdoors a virus is dispersed more vs indoors, and it's healthier for you-Lydia Bourouiba. Lol. If it's the report I think you are referring to, I'm assuming you got that summary from Judge Jenine. |
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Post by footyfan on Apr 20, 2020 19:51:58 GMT -5
The Journal of the American Medical Association just put out a report. One of the authors from MIT stated what I assumed was common knowledge: That when people are outdoors a virus is dispersed more vs indoors, and it's healthier for you-Lydia Bourouiba. Lol. If it's the report I think you are referring to, I'm assuming you got that summary from Judge Jenine. It's about maintaining your distance so that the liquid exhalations of the infected won't get you sick. So yes, better to go outside and maintain a wide berth than be inside in tight quarters. The message is not that your kids can safely bang around outside on the pitch. If that's not what you meant, my apologies. |
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Post by honeybadger on Apr 20, 2020 19:52:17 GMT -5
And just saw another one. USC in LA just reported that based on the number of people in LA County who have the antibody for CV19 vs how many reported cases there were, this is MUCH less deadly than though. It was thought LA County had 8,000 reported cases. According to the science, 400,000 did. That is 50X the number. And since even Dr. Birx with the Task Force admitted they are pretty much counting any death where the person happened to have CV was reported as a death due to CV19, even if the reason for death was not the virus, then we can assume there aren't millions more dead from CV19 than we know about. (People can have flu and die, but the flu may not be what killed them).
Common sense says if 400,000 people in LA developed an immunity to CV 19 but only 4,000 reported cases, then it was way under reported.
This means the death rate is much much much ,lower than first reported.
What's going on here is mass hysteria heaped on the country by people in media/pop-culture/government who hate this president so much they want the country shut down so that he doesn't win reelection.
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Post by footyfan on Apr 20, 2020 19:53:25 GMT -5
And just saw another one. USC in LA just reported that based on the number of people in LA County who have the antibody for CV19 vs how many reported cases there were, this is MUCH less deadly than though. It was thought LA County had 8,000 reported cases. According to the science, 400,000 did. That is 50X the number. And since even Dr. Birx with the Task Force admitted they are pretty much counting any death where the person happened to have CV was reported as a death due to CV19, even if the reason for death was not the virus, then we can assume there aren't millions more dead from CV19 than we know about. (People can have flu and die, but the flu may not be what killed them). Common sense says if 400,000 people in LA developed an immunity to CV 19 but only 4,000 reported cases, then it was way under reported. This means the death rate is much much much ,lower than first reported. What's going on here is mass hysteria heaped on the country by people in media/pop-culture/government who hate this president so much they want the country shut down so that he doesn't win reelection. That USC study was also discussed in the link I posted. |
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Post by Keeper on Apr 20, 2020 20:01:57 GMT -5
Just curious, who is willing to accept responsibility for killing a person?
Because that’s what you’re saying you want to do by going back to business as usual before the world figures this out. No one knows if they are carrying this virus and has no idea who they’re passing it on to. So if you pass it on to someone are you ready to accept responsibility for killing someone?
When you’re sick with the flu, strep, or any other virus you’re suppose to stay home and not infect anyone else. If you’re HIV-Positive do you go around having sex without notifying partners? Or perform jobs that can spread the virus? Or say even simpler you kill someone with your car? So the fact that this virus just sits waiting weeks to come out you don’t know when it’ll become an infectious level.
You do any of those things above and you can face jail time or at least a civil suit from the family of the person you killed.
It’s only been a few weeks, sit tight and be good human beings that care about life and death.
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Post by atlfutboldad on Apr 20, 2020 20:30:50 GMT -5
VERY FEW people who aren't already at risk are dying from this. I think under any protocol be it herd immunity or shelter in place they HAVE TO be isolated. HAVE TO. That is one of Sweden's failings. It got into some nursing home facilities.
A few more antibody studies would be nice. I would love to know if I've been exposed.
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Post by mistergrinch on Apr 20, 2020 20:44:18 GMT -5
What's going on here is mass hysteria heaped on the country by people in media/pop-culture/government who hate this president so much they want the country shut down so that he doesn't win reelection. Damn right. The crazy do nothing Democrats conspired with the Chinese.. and all of Europe.. killing hundreds of thousands.. just to screw up a chance at reelection. Its so simple and clear! Then again, he's blaming the WHO.. and so you know who he confirmed to be our representative to the WHO? Nobody. In 3 years. We have no representation. But its clearly a democrat conspiracy. Seriously dude.. turn off hannity. |
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Post by oraclesfriend on Apr 20, 2020 20:50:45 GMT -5
VERY FEW people who aren't already at risk are dying from this. I think under any protocol be it herd immunity or shelter in place they HAVE TO be isolated. HAVE TO. That is one of Sweden's failings. It got into some nursing home facilities. A few more antibody studies would be nice. I would love to know if I've been exposed. One problem is that not everyone who is at risk knows it. Let's talk about hypertension for a minute. For whatever reason hypertension is a MAJOR RISK FACTOR for this virus. How many people do you think have hypertension and don't know it? A lot! Many of them are men in their 40's. Like all of you guys on this forum. Guess who also doesn't go to the doctor much for their annual physicals so that they get diagnosed with hypertension...guys in their 40's. So yes there are people who know they need to stay home, like people over 60 and people with immune system issues or medications that affect the immune system. But there have been many hospitalizations of people in their 40's and 50's. I agree with the concerns about killing someone else by passing the infection on to them. The issue is that it isn't about YOU. It is about your community. Everyone talks a good game about playing soccer for your high school and representing your community. How about you save lives in your community by staying home? I do agree that people should be allowed outside if they stay away from others. The problem is, if it gets too crowded at a park will you be able to? |
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Post by atlfutboldad on Apr 20, 2020 21:56:25 GMT -5
Same thing can be said for the flu. But this is essentially the nut allergy at school argument. Ask them to eat in isolation or tell everyone else "no nuts".
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Post by mistercalcio on Apr 20, 2020 23:53:53 GMT -5
Same thing can be said for the flu. But this is essentially the nut allergy at school argument. Ask them to eat in isolation or tell everyone else "no nuts". Wouldn’t that be a little different since students with a nut allergy often/always carry an epipen with them? And there are school nurses on staff (supposedly) qualified to get a child through the initial shock of an allergy flare up? - by the way, just thinking out loud and fostering communication here, not attacking your viewpoint. |
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Post by mistergrinch on Apr 21, 2020 8:31:55 GMT -5
Same thing can be said for the flu. But this is essentially the nut allergy at school argument. Ask them to eat in isolation or tell everyone else "no nuts". Wouldn’t that be a little different since students with a nut allergy often/always carry an epipen with them? And there are school nurses on staff (supposedly) qualified to get a child through the initial shock of an allergy flare up? - by the way, just thinking out loud and fostering communication here, not attacking your viewpoint. and allergies aren't contagious.
Even if it won't kill you.. you do not want this thing if you can avoid it. Go watch the video updates of some of the newscasters who got it... it's really no fun.
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Post by slickdaddy96 on Apr 21, 2020 10:16:15 GMT -5
There is talk in email about possibly extended out the spring season now into the summer months at least from our club. Of course that all depends on meeting the phases to be able to do such that the CDC outlined.
I have no issue with my kids playing soccer. I have no issues with attending a large college football game either because this thing is so far overblown it isn't funny anymore. A new antibody test study at Stanford showed far more people already had the virus and didn't even seek medical treatment for it than what we are testing. If you extrapolate that out nationwide and count those antibody positives as a positive case at some point in time the mortality rate would drop to somewhere between 0.12-0.2% not 1%. 0.12-0.2% is indeed right around the mortality rate of a very bad flu season. It will also show that the powers that be panicked way too much and we likely shut it down for something that we wouldn't have normally shut it down for had we known all the facts and figures.
So count me in as the I'll play in the fall, heck I'll play now and let my kids as well.
Here is a link to an article talking about the study I talked about above for those interested.
www.washingtontimes.com/news/2020/apr/17/coronavirus-much-more-widespread-previously-though/
Lol. Washington Times. Was there no Bereitbart or InfoWars article you had handy? I love how you brought politics into this post. I was trying to stay clear of it and give scientific perspective. This study is covered by plenty of news agencies both right leaning and left leaning (as there is no neutral source they are all biased especially your beloved New York Times). Not that hard to google for whatever perspective you want, or if you want to go straight to the source of the study and read the actual study yourself that all spouts the numbers above that I wrote as well. Yes this is just one study, but there are plenty more going on as we speak in multiple parts of the country and world, and my belief is that they are all going to show the same thing and this Stanford one is not an outlier. That is a game changer as far as how we are thinking about this and makes the models very very wrong. It brings the mortality rate down to a bad flu season, and if we do what I have said before which is protect the vulnerable, the rest of us can go about our business as normal. |
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Post by honeybadger on Apr 21, 2020 10:50:59 GMT -5
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Post by footyfan on Apr 21, 2020 11:06:28 GMT -5
"Political Guy" is quite the projection. As I said in another post, in 2-3 weeks we will see if there is a spike in infections and deaths. If not, I will stand corrected. No need to dwell on it until then. |
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Post by mistergrinch on Apr 21, 2020 11:10:26 GMT -5
Since everyone loves to throw around media bias and how right/left the one they don't like is - here's a shockingly well sourced breakdown of media outlets and where they sit. They publish their methodology in great detail.. it's pretty damn accurate. www.adfontesmedia.com/interactive-media-bias-chart/ |
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Post by slickdaddy96 on Apr 21, 2020 12:09:23 GMT -5
Since everyone loves to throw around media bias and how right/left the one they don't like is - here's a shockingly well sourced breakdown of media outlets and where they sit. They publish their methodology in great detail.. it's pretty damn accurate. www.adfontesmedia.com/interactive-media-bias-chart/I've seen this site and dug into it once. The ones listed as central are basically an average of all their articles. It doesn't mean that those middle sites like axios and politico are actual neutral. It will still depend on article to article and journalist to journalist, it just means they run left leaning and right leaning articles equally which averages it out to neutral. So "neutral" still is a misnomer. You still need to know the the journalist and their other articles to get a perspective of if they are biased. What I would really like would be a site like this that breaks down individual journalists and their skew. That would be more helpful IMHO. |
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Post by oraclesfriend on Apr 21, 2020 12:33:26 GMT -5
Since everyone loves to throw around media bias and how right/left the one they don't like is - here's a shockingly well sourced breakdown of media outlets and where they sit. They publish their methodology in great detail.. it's pretty damn accurate. www.adfontesmedia.com/interactive-media-bias-chart/I've seen this site and dug into it once. The ones listed as central are basically an average of all their articles. It doesn't mean that those middle sites like axios and politico are actual neutral. It will still depend on article to article and journalist to journalist, it just means they run left leaning and right leaning articles equally which averages it out to neutral. So "neutral" still is a misnomer. You still need to know the the journalist and their other articles to get a perspective of if they are biased. What I would really like would be a site like this that breaks down individual journalists and their skew. That would be more helpful IMHO. IMO the best way to be neutral is to read multiple articles on the same topic from different sources. Nothing in this world is unbiased. We all come in with some biases, be they ideology or experience. |
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Post by mistergrinch on Apr 21, 2020 13:10:25 GMT -5
Since everyone loves to throw around media bias and how right/left the one they don't like is - here's a shockingly well sourced breakdown of media outlets and where they sit. They publish their methodology in great detail.. it's pretty damn accurate. www.adfontesmedia.com/interactive-media-bias-chart/I've seen this site and dug into it once. The ones listed as central are basically an average of all their articles. It doesn't mean that those middle sites like axios and politico are actual neutral. It will still depend on article to article and journalist to journalist, it just means they run left leaning and right leaning articles equally which averages it out to neutral. So "neutral" still is a misnomer. You still need to know the the journalist and their other articles to get a perspective of if they are biased. What I would really like would be a site like this that breaks down individual journalists and their skew. That would be more helpful IMHO. If I recall - they don't have that yet for print, but they do for TV. Show by show.
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Post by honeybadger on Apr 22, 2020 17:57:03 GMT -5
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Post by rifle on Apr 22, 2020 19:14:46 GMT -5
Link no worko
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Post by slickdaddy96 on Apr 23, 2020 8:45:11 GMT -5
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Post by mistergrinch on Apr 23, 2020 8:58:52 GMT -5
It works.. just not really sure what the point of the article is. Also, who the heck is Erickson and why should I listen to him? |
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Post by slickdaddy96 on Apr 23, 2020 9:54:09 GMT -5
It works.. just not really sure what the point of the article is. Also, who the heck is Erickson and why should I listen to him? Honestly he is probably the most connected guy to local Georgia politics and goings on as well as pretty connected with people in Washington as well. I don't always agree with his stances but he generally always has good information. He has a radio show on WSB 95.5 from 4pm-6pm, and a GA wide (but not metro Atlanta) radio show from 9am-Noon on various radio stations throughout the state. I usually stream his morning show from WMAC out of Macon via tune-in or other streaming options when I want to hear the morning show. Even if you disagree with him politically he is a pretty fair person and critiques both sides pretty equally. He also started Red State but left a few years ago. He has been on Real Time With Bill Maher pretty often as well along with being a CNN and Fox News contributor. |
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Post by mistergrinch on Apr 23, 2020 10:48:11 GMT -5
It works.. just not really sure what the point of the article is. Also, who the heck is Erickson and why should I listen to him? Honestly he is probably the most connected guy to local Georgia politics and goings on as well as pretty connected with people in Washington as well. I don't always agree with his stances but he generally always has good information. He has a radio show on WSB 95.5 from 4pm-6pm, and a GA wide (but not metro Atlanta) radio show from 9am-Noon on various radio stations throughout the state. I usually stream his morning show from WMAC out of Macon via tune-in or other streaming options when I want to hear the morning show. Even if you disagree with him politically he is a pretty fair person and critiques both sides pretty equally. He also started Red State but left a few years ago. He has been on Real Time With Bill Maher pretty often as well along with being a CNN and Fox News contributor. Thanks. I loathe talk radio (even sports).. so not surprised I haven't stumbled across him.
Curious for those who love both Kemp and Trump.. now that they disagree, who do you go with?
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Post by slickdaddy96 on Apr 23, 2020 11:01:02 GMT -5
Honestly he is probably the most connected guy to local Georgia politics and goings on as well as pretty connected with people in Washington as well. I don't always agree with his stances but he generally always has good information. He has a radio show on WSB 95.5 from 4pm-6pm, and a GA wide (but not metro Atlanta) radio show from 9am-Noon on various radio stations throughout the state. I usually stream his morning show from WMAC out of Macon via tune-in or other streaming options when I want to hear the morning show. Even if you disagree with him politically he is a pretty fair person and critiques both sides pretty equally. He also started Red State but left a few years ago. He has been on Real Time With Bill Maher pretty often as well along with being a CNN and Fox News contributor. Thanks. I loathe talk radio (even sports).. so not surprised I haven't stumbled across him.
Curious for those who love both Kemp and Trump.. now that they disagree, who do you go with?
I like them both still. I don't think Trump disagrees with getting GA opened back up, I just think he disagrees with some of the businesses Kemp chose. The funny thing is that Colorado's democrat Governor is opening the same types of businesses and not a peep from the media on it. There is an agenda there of why Colorado is ignored and Kemp is lambasted. Honestly I think a lot of this goes back to Kemp picking Loeffler over Trump's pick of Collins and this might be retaliation for it. I can still like them both and they can disagree. I think the bigger question is for all the Trump haters are you going to hold your nose and agree with Trump about Kemp or agree with Kemp because you hate Trump so badly you can't even agree with him on this. LOL... the mental hoops some people may be jumping through right now. I'm being funny so please no one lambaste me. :-) |
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Post by oraclesfriend on Apr 23, 2020 11:14:42 GMT -5
Thanks. I loathe talk radio (even sports).. so not surprised I haven't stumbled across him.
Curious for those who love both Kemp and Trump.. now that they disagree, who do you go with?
I like them both still. I don't think Trump disagrees with getting GA opened back up, I just think he disagrees with some of the businesses Kemp chose. The funny thing is that Colorado's democrat Governor is opening the same types of businesses and not a peep from the media on it. There is an agenda there of why Colorado is ignored and Kemp is lambasted. Honestly I think a lot of this goes back to Kemp picking Loeffler over Trump's pick of Collins and this might be retaliation for it. I can still like them both and they can disagree. I think the bigger question is for all the Trump haters are you going to hold your nose and agree with Trump about Kemp or agree with Kemp because you hate Trump so badly you can't even agree with him on this. LOL... the mental hoops some people may be jumping through right now. I'm being funny so please no one lambaste me. :-) I am no fan of Trump. I agree with him on this. Kemp is opening some ridiculous businesses. Tattoo parlors? Really? I will be royally pissed if my kids can't go back to school in the fall, camp in the summer or soccer in summer or fall due to some outbreak from tattoo parlors! You can wait to get a tattoo! |
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Post by atlfutboldad on Apr 23, 2020 11:48:25 GMT -5
Why not encourage big box stores to open doors? d***s, Academy, Best Buy, etc. Its no more dangerous to walk into these stores than it is Target/Walmart/Sam's/etc.
Gyms and Bowling alleys were breeding ares for disease BEFORE all this...
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Post by ultimatedad on Apr 23, 2020 16:41:53 GMT -5
I was kind of hoping for a permanent shut down of the tattoo parlors but that is just me.
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Post by mistergrinch on Apr 24, 2020 12:39:10 GMT -5
I think the bigger question is for all the Trump haters are you going to hold your nose and agree with Trump about Kemp or agree with Kemp because you hate Trump so badly you can't even agree with him on this. LOL... the mental hoops some people may be jumping through right now. I'm being funny so please no one lambaste me. :-) so it seems that he played both sides... shocking, I know
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Post by honeybadger on Apr 24, 2020 14:02:06 GMT -5
The original shutdown was so that we could flatten the curve. We did. There is hospital capacity in Georgia. The shutdown was never intended to prevent every single person from ever getting sick but now, that is exactly what is happening. The only reason they want that is they want the Venezuelan economy at our doors. That's not gonna happen.
Kemp did what the experts have told him for 2 months (the same experts who have been wrong on every single model to date--yes, even those assuming shutdowns)and he's now made the decision that he cannot keep watching thousands lose their small business and millions lose their jobs all because a few people will still get sick.
But here's the good news for all the "doom and gloom and this is the worst thing that ever happened" crowd: YOU DO NOT HAVE TO GO OUT OF YOU CHOOSE NOT TO. Kemp didn't mandate that. In a republic, believe it or not, you still have some liberty to make your best decision for your family. If you don't want to go out then don't, I don't care. But don't force others to stay in too.
We have bed capacity. Therefore, if we find their is a large spike this summer, then he can readjust his plans. Not everyone is a wealthy suburban family who can ride this out. There are millions in this state condemned to poverty, lost jobs, hungry kids, if they can't get back to work.
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