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ECNL Girls
Apr 20, 2020 18:55:46 GMT -5
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Post by localtalent on Apr 20, 2020 18:55:46 GMT -5
Out of the 5 clubs in GA that have ECNL, how would everyone rate their programs with their current teams. Things might shift after tryouts and when the league gets going but would be interesting to see what everyone thinks.
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Post by atlfutboldad on Apr 20, 2020 19:40:46 GMT -5
Currently (2019-20): 1 - Concorde Platinum 2 - GSA 3A - Concorde Premier 3B - UFA
3C - AFU
AFU and UFA 05 and 06 did friendlies this Spring and both tied. AFU and CF Premier had the same average ranking in ECNL standings.
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Post by fridge on Apr 21, 2020 8:06:27 GMT -5
Currently (2019-20): 1 - Concorde Platinum 2 - GSA 3A - Concorde Premier 3B - UFA
3C - AFU
AFU and UFA 05 and 06 did friendlies this Spring and both tied. AFU and CF Premier had the same average ranking in ECNL standings.
I agree 99% with this. (I might put AFU at #4 v. 3C.) I think the gap bt 2 and 3 is pretty large except in the 05 where SSA's/Concorde Premier is right there. What makes TH issue interesting is that CF Premier, UFA, and AFU all could compete at or near #2 if they could supplement their lineup with a few better players. |
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Post by atlfutboldad on Apr 21, 2020 9:07:22 GMT -5
Both AFU and CF Premier have an average ECNL standings position of 6.83. They're literally equal. Which is surprising considering how poor the 06 and 07 age groups are doing for AFU. And like I said the 06 and 05 agree groups tied UFA DA head to head. There's a perception AFU is weaker, but the facts show all 3 of those teams are about equal.
Perhaps it'll change if SSA gets a hold of more age groups.
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Post by fanatic21 on Apr 21, 2020 9:56:21 GMT -5
I haven't heard officially, but I'd suspect SSA to keep Concorde Premier ECNL spots at 05, 06, 07, and 08.
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Post by newbiemom on Apr 21, 2020 9:59:05 GMT -5
UFA still has four 2006 girls playing up on their 2005 team. It will be interesting to see if these girls stay up or move back down to their age group as this could definitely improve their 2006 team. Also 2005 UFA DA beat GSA ECNL 4 -1 last August in a friendly. I know we are looking at the clubs as a whole but lets remember that within a club certain age groups are better than others.
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Post by soccerlegacy on Apr 21, 2020 10:04:28 GMT -5
I haven't heard officially, but I'd suspect SSA to keep Concorde Premier ECNL spots at 05, 06, 07, and 08. So what does it take to give SSA the 08 spot? I know when they first formed the alliance, the 05 SSA team was supposed to be REALLY good (possibly the best in Metro ATL at the time) and the 06 was regarded as very strong in their own right. I don't know about the 07's ... or 08's... Is it a given that SSA is given the 2nd team or does it rely on their strength at the U13 age? |
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ECNL Girls
Apr 21, 2020 10:19:40 GMT -5
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Post by fanatic21 on Apr 21, 2020 10:19:40 GMT -5
I don’t know anything about The 07s, but the SSA 08s are very good. Probably as good if not better than Concorde.
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Post by soccerlegacy on Apr 21, 2020 10:24:40 GMT -5
I don’t know anything about The 07s, but the SSA 08s are very good. Probably as good if not better than Concorde. So is that what gets SSA the spot? They have to be as good as Concorde? I guess what I'm trying to figure out is... What is the criteria for SSA to grab the 2nd ECNL spot? or is it automatically given to them already? |
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Post by honeybadger on Apr 21, 2020 10:57:39 GMT -5
My daughter played that SSA 05 team two years ago. To this day, that was the best team I have personally seen in the 05 girls group regardless of the alphabet. Granted, I haven't seen every 05 team but I've seen many of them.
Man, they were good:)
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Post by atlfutboldad on Apr 21, 2020 14:30:01 GMT -5
Last year Concorde had merged tryouts for the Premier team for many age groups. So they're not purely SSA teams. ALso, I expect probably about 25% of the NTH top-2 teams to leave for other opportunities.
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Post by Lady Soccer Whistledown on Apr 22, 2020 18:14:38 GMT -5
I don’t know anything about The 07s, but the SSA 08s are very good. Probably as good if not better than Concorde. So is that what gets SSA the spot? They have to be as good as Concorde? I guess what I'm trying to figure out is... What is the criteria for SSA to grab the 2nd ECNL spot? or is it automatically given to them already? SSA gets the automatic 2nd team slot for U13 & u14 age group. That is the current agreement. Anything from u15 & up, the second team is open season for anyone to tryout. Now just last year when the 05's came to be U15's and transitioned out of that, "automatic," slot, Concorde let the team stand, but they still had open tryouts, but still majority of girls are from SSA and played together for years. |
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Post by soccerlegacy on Apr 22, 2020 22:14:17 GMT -5
So is that what gets SSA the spot? They have to be as good as Concorde? I guess what I'm trying to figure out is... What is the criteria for SSA to grab the 2nd ECNL spot? or is it automatically given to them already? SSA gets the automatic 2nd team slot for U13 & u14 age group. That is the current agreement. Anything from u15 & up, the second team is open season for anyone to tryout. Now just last year when the 05's came to be U15's and transitioned out of that, "automatic," slot, Concorde let the team stand, but they still had open tryouts, but still majority of girls are from SSA and played together for years. Where did you get this information from for the U13 & U14 age group? I have been told different things and it has never been formally stated... This would help with player's decisions if you have verifiable information about this. |
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Post by soccergirldad on May 9, 2020 14:50:33 GMT -5
UFA still has four 2006 girls playing up on their 2005 team. It will be interesting to see if these girls stay up or move back down to their age group as this could definitely improve their 2006 team. Also 2005 UFA DA beat GSA ECNL 4 -1 last August in a friendly. I know we are looking at the clubs as a whole but lets remember that within a club certain age groups are better than others. |
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Post by soccergirldad on May 9, 2020 14:55:22 GMT -5
That 05 GSA was not very good. They were not making it to Nationals this year if they would have taken place. I would like to see what the UFA 05 team would do against Concorde's 05 Platinum & Premier teams. As a matter of fact I don't think they faired too well against TH 05 DA team, who I think would have a hard time better either of the Concorde 05 teams. I say this as a person that have watched all of the teams play. We will see whenever the season starts how good that UFA 05 team really is.
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Post by dadofthree on May 9, 2020 17:46:11 GMT -5
That 05 GSA was not very good. They were not making it to Nationals this year if they would have taken place. I would like to see what the UFA 05 team would do against Concorde's 05 Platinum & Premier teams. As a matter of fact I don't think they faired too well against TH 05 DA team, who I think would have a hard time better either of the Concorde 05 teams. I say this as a person that have watched all of the teams play. We will see whenever the season starts how good that UFA 05 team really is. If UFA keeps the 05 team togeather (and no reason to think they wouldnt) it will be pretty good. AW (the coach) teams usually take a little time to mesh due to his style of play which requires girls moving into space and both the passer and reciever being on the same page. With this being the second year I would anticipate they will be a tough team to play. |
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Post by Soccerphreak on May 9, 2020 18:07:02 GMT -5
That 05 GSA was not very good. They were not making it to Nationals this year if they would have taken place. I would like to see what the UFA 05 team would do against Concorde's 05 Platinum & Premier teams. As a matter of fact I don't think they faired too well against TH 05 DA team, who I think would have a hard time better either of the Concorde 05 teams. I say this as a person that have watched all of the teams play. We will see whenever the season starts how good that UFA 05 team really is. If UFA keeps the 05 team togeather (and no reason to think they wouldnt) it will be pretty good. AW (the coach) teams usually take a little time to mesh due to his style of play which requires girls moving into space and both the passer and reciever being on the same page. With this being the second year I would anticipate they will be a tough team to play. "IF" they stay together is definitely the keyword here. If that team was as good as you think, UFA wouldnt be reaching out to the TH girls to get commitments before tryouts and causing all sorts of drama. Yes AW is a great coach and can do great things with decent talent but newsflash...hes not coaching the 05s next year so new boss, new rules, new talent. Everyone is waiting to see what the TH teams do and it's going to cause major disruption. |
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Post by oraclesfriend on May 9, 2020 18:50:37 GMT -5
If UFA keeps the 05 team togeather (and no reason to think they wouldnt) it will be pretty good. AW (the coach) teams usually take a little time to mesh due to his style of play which requires girls moving into space and both the passer and reciever being on the same page. With this being the second year I would anticipate they will be a tough team to play. "IF" they stay together is definitely the keyword here. If that team was as good as you think, UFA wouldnt be reaching out to the TH girls to get commitments before tryouts and causing all sorts of drama. Yes AW is a great coach and can do great things with decent talent but newsflash...hes not coaching the 05s next year so new boss, new rules, new talent. Everyone is waiting to see what the TH teams do and it's going to cause major disruption. If AW is not the coach (which recently players were convinced that he was) that is a newsflash, but no team in this state would not be improved by a few of the NTH players added to their rosters. There are a few NTH 05 girls that I know Concorde Platinum would also like to have and they are a fantastic team currently. NTH 05 DA has some girls that will not be a slam dunk at many clubs, but several would be at any of them. UFA will lose a few. After all there were two girls from Alabama on that team this year. Why would you drive three hours to play ECNL when you have a club in your own backyard? Even if you chose to drive why pass Concorde and SSA to get to UFA if you are that good? There are a couple others that were not that special though they are good players for sure. There are still 4 2006 girls on that team (though one is a GK). If AW took the 06 team those girls may go back to 06 to be under him. UFA needs to just release their coaching list already. They said they would next week... |
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Post by dadofthree on May 9, 2020 19:07:44 GMT -5
"IF" they stay together is definitely the keyword here. If that team was as good as you think, UFA wouldnt be reaching out to the TH girls to get commitments before tryouts and causing all sorts of drama. Yes AW is a great coach and can do great things with decent talent but newsflash...hes not coaching the 05s next year so new boss, new rules, new talent. Everyone is waiting to see what the TH teams do and it's going to cause major disruption. If AW is not the coach (which recently players were convinced that he was) that is a newsflash, but no team in this state would not be improved by a few of the NTH players added to their rosters. There are a few NTH 05 girls that I know Concorde Platinum would also like to have and they are a fantastic team currently. NTH 05 DA has some girls that will not be a slam dunk at many clubs, but several would be at any of them. UFA will lose a few. After all there were two girls from Alabama on that team this year. Why would you drive three hours to play ECNL when you have a club in your own backyard? Even if you chose to drive why pass Concorde and SSA to get to UFA if you are that good? There are a couple others that were not that special though they are good players for sure. There are still 4 2006 girls on that team (though one is a GK). If AW took the 06 team those girls may go back to 06 to be under him. UFA needs to just release their coaching list already. They said they would next week... I agree that everyone is looking at some of the NTH girls. As for UFA there are several girls on the NTH team that have previous played either for UFA or who know AW well that they would of course talk with. If AW is not coaching the 05s (I think he will but I could be wrong) then it was his decision to take another age (such as the 06s which he had before the year before ie Pre DA year) because IM knows AW is as good as they come as a pure coach. |
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Post by soccermonster on May 9, 2020 20:20:48 GMT -5
UFA needs to just release their coaching list already. They said they would next week... I respectfully disagree and wholeheartedly believe that UFA, CF, GSA or AFU would greatly improve their roster by getting any of TH's 04's, 05s, and 06 players. I would agree that not all of the TH girls would be a slam dunk but if any club took the top 3 or 4 girls at any of the age groups, it would be a way better team. The question is which club is more enticing and a better fit. CF and UFA had strong teams but with all of the changes with DA, ECNL in general is going to gain better players which will make stronger competition and our GA clubs have to step up their rosters to keep pace. As far as UFA goes, I too heard that AW was not coaching the 05 team but rumors always fly at this time of year as he is supposedly taking his younger team and another age group but as you said, they need to release their coaching list so parents can make a decision. |
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Post by soccermonster on May 9, 2020 20:28:28 GMT -5
Out of the 5 clubs in GA that have ECNL, how would everyone rate their programs with their current teams. Things might shift after tryouts and when the league gets going but would be interesting to see what everyone thinks. I guess this all depends on how they are being ranked Communication - UFA Wins Coaching - UFA/AFU/CF Fields - UFA/AFU/SSA/GSA/CF College Recruits - (no opinion as I don't want to look up stats) Some will say CF is #1 but I don't know this to be a fact. I'm sure we can come up with a whole list |
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Post by oraclesfriend on May 9, 2020 22:13:05 GMT -5
UFA needs to just release their coaching list already. They said they would next week... I respectfully disagree and wholeheartedly believe that UFA, CF, GSA or AFU would greatly improve their roster by getting any of TH's 04's, 05s, and 06 players. I would agree that not all of the TH girls would be a slam dunk but if any club took the top 3 or 4 girls at any of the age groups, it would be a way better team. The question is which club is more enticing and a better fit. CF and UFA had strong teams but with all of the changes with DA, ECNL in general is going to gain better players which will make stronger competition and our GA clubs have to step up their rosters to keep pace. As far as UFA goes, I too heard that AW was not coaching the 05 team but rumors always fly at this time of year as he is supposedly taking his younger team and another age group but as you said, they need to release their coaching list so parents can make a decision. I don't know what you are disagreeing to. I clearly stated that no team would NOT be improved by adding NTH players. Sorry for the double negative but I was emphasizing the point that all clubs would have improved teams by adding Tophat players. I was just also stating that I did not believe that every player from the 05 team at Tophat was special enough to displace current players as a 100% slam dunk. They ALL are very good however and I do think would improve all of the ECNL teams (providing better depth if for no other reason). Players 1-8 or 9 on Tophat would improve anyone's rosters. Players 12+ would only improve some teams. As an aside I do not believe the top 15-18 players will all leave Tophat though. I think maybe 4-6. I have heard from many 06's parents that they intend to stay. I have heard mixed from 05 (seems like the parents/players vacillating...can't seem to be sure if they want to stay or go). Don't know about the 04 team. I only know a few of those girls and none well enough to be a confidante. |
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Post by soccergirldad on May 9, 2020 22:43:56 GMT -5
Only a couple from the 06 team is leaving, at least five from the 05 team is leaving and two, from the 04 team, have already told the team that they are leaving, with at least two more on the bubble. All of these players are arguably in the Top 5 of the players on their respective teams. Fact is that they will be a tone of movement over the next two weeks or so allowing for people to negotiate spots on top teams. (Notice I said negotiate and not tryout).
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Post by atlfutboldad on May 10, 2020 0:24:07 GMT -5
I can't even imagine having that level of hubris.
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Post by nole95 on May 11, 2020 10:42:00 GMT -5
Curious to how ECNL tryouts work. I see at UFA Forsyth that the U15-19 girls are currently scheduled to have ECNL tryouts 5/31-6/2. Regular tryouts would then start on 6/2.
I am sure some girls might show up at these tryouts that are not quite at the talent level to play ECNL. Do they normally cut players after the first day or two, so that those girls know they can tryout during the regular tryout period? Is the full team announced prior to the tryouts for everyone else? I also wonder if coaches from the teams below ECNL might be out there watching so that they could see what cut players might be available to them.
I assume many of the ECNL slots are probably already filled with players and tryouts could be in name only. However, with the situation at Tophat losing DA, I suppose it is possible that some new players could always show up wanting to tryout.
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Post by atlfutboldad on May 11, 2020 11:02:56 GMT -5
So they're doing a day earlier than other clubs for official tryouts. AFU and GSA have previously had a "pre-camp" on that Sunday or a couple Sundays before tryouts, so that ALL the coaches can look at the the players.
I doubt they tell ANYONE "you're not making the team" by any certain day, only the ones they identify as "will make the team." By this I mean ALL CLUBS, not just UFA. They want to string you along every day you to tryout from day 1 to day 4-5 so they can fill teams 1, 2, 3, 4.
I know that last year GSA 06 ECNL let go of 3-4 prior-year ECNL girls on the Wednesday or Thursday of tryout week and picked up 3 former NTH players for that team sight-unseen. Its a dog-eat-dog world in the top team game.
The lesson is...unless you're a top starter the prior year...ALWAYS try out at more than one club.
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Post by nole95 on May 11, 2020 11:18:43 GMT -5
So they're doing a day earlier than other clubs for official tryouts. AFU and GSA have previously had a "pre-camp" on that Sunday or a couple Sundays before tryouts, so that ALL the coaches can look at the the players. I doubt they tell ANYONE "you're not making the team" by any certain day, only the ones they identify as "will make the team." By this I mean ALL CLUBS, not just UFA. They want to string you along every day you to tryout from day 1 to day 4-5 so they can fill teams 1, 2, 3, 4. I know that last year GSA 06 ECNL let go of 3-4 prior-year ECNL girls on the Wednesday or Thursday of tryout week and picked up 3 former NTH players for that team sight-unseen. Its a dog-eat-dog world in the top team game. The lesson is...unless you're a top starter the prior year...ALWAYS try out at more than one club. This is what I am trying to figure out. My daughter has been with her same team/coach for a couple years now, but would like to see how she stacks up against the other players trying out for ECNL. Assuming UFA keeps the schedule currently posted, ECNL tryouts would start on 5/31 and run to 6/2. My honest assessment is that my daughter would not make an ECNL team. So come 6/2, she could just move into the UFA tryouts for all the remaining SCCL teams, whatever they end up being once the coaching projections are released. |
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Post by atlfutboldad on May 11, 2020 11:34:27 GMT -5
If you're not approached on day 1 and want to play in the top league, move on. Probably 2/3 to 3/4 of the top rosters are filled on or before day 1. They would likely try to string everyone along for day 2 at the very least. But there's no telling, they may approach you day 1 and rescind the offer on day 4. Nothing is a given, don't trust any coaches, always have a backup plan.
One of the players I mentioned was told after tryouts on day 1 and 2 that she had a spot on the ECNL team. Was told either at the end of day 3 or on day 4 that she no longer had a spot on the team (was offered 2nd team and left, not because of the league, but how they were treated). And I'm not trying to say that GSA is particularly shady, I'm saying that top team coaches are kinda shady and will always take the shiniest new apples. Hence the NTH girls joining on day 4 (which is likely when they were let go there).
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Post by kidsocceruber on May 11, 2020 11:35:35 GMT -5
So they're doing a day earlier than other clubs for official tryouts. AFU and GSA have previously had a "pre-camp" on that Sunday or a couple Sundays before tryouts, so that ALL the coaches can look at the the players. I doubt they tell ANYONE "you're not making the team" by any certain day, only the ones they identify as "will make the team." By this I mean ALL CLUBS, not just UFA. They want to string you along every day you to tryout from day 1 to day 4-5 so they can fill teams 1, 2, 3, 4. I know that last year GSA 06 ECNL let go of 3-4 prior-year ECNL girls on the Wednesday or Thursday of tryout week and picked up 3 former NTH players for that team sight-unseen. Its a dog-eat-dog world in the top team game. The lesson is...unless you're a top starter the prior year...ALWAYS try out at more than one club. This is what I am trying to figure out. My daughter has been with her same team/coach for a couple years now, but would like to see how she stacks up against the other players trying out for ECNL. Assuming UFA keeps the schedule currently posted, ECNL tryouts would start on 5/31 and run to 6/2. My honest assessment is that my daughter would not make an ECNL team. So come 6/2, she could just move into the UFA tryouts for all the remaining SCCL teams, whatever they end up being once the coaching projections are released. Last year my daughter did the DA id camp, then went to the normal tryouts and will go through both tryouts again this year. Should be a non issue, sign up for both tryouts and if she makes the ECNL team then great if not just carry on like normal. |
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Post by kidsocceruber on May 11, 2020 11:36:51 GMT -5
If you're not approached on day 1, move on. Probably 2/3 of the top rosters are filled on or before day 1. They would likely try to string everyone along for day 2 at the very least. But there's no telling, they may approach you day 1 and rescind the offer on day 4. Nothing is a given, don't trust any coaches, always have a backup plan. This is a true statement. They will string you along as long as they can, even when you're being told one thing it's best not to put all your eggs in one basket if at all possible. |
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