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Post by soccermaxx72 on Jul 28, 2020 14:03:49 GMT -5
Who has cancelled?
Who is still faking that they will play?
Any tournaments with schedules released?
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Post by DunwoodySoccerDad on Jul 28, 2020 14:07:40 GMT -5
We've registered for Concorde Nike Select Aug 8-9. So only a week and a half away. So far it's still on.
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Post by soccermaxx72 on Jul 28, 2020 14:19:11 GMT -5
We've registered for Concorde Nike Select Aug 8-9. So only a week and a half away. So far it's still on. Have they release brackets and schedules? |
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Post by DunwoodySoccerDad on Jul 28, 2020 14:36:32 GMT -5
We've registered for Concorde Nike Select Aug 8-9. So only a week and a half away. So far it's still on. Have they release brackets and schedules? No - they only closed registration last Thursday. Given that it's such an early preseason tournament and the registration cutoff is so close to the tournament itself, I'm not surprised the brackets/schedules haven't been released. Thankfully we already know which fields we'll play on. |
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Post by oraclesfriend on Jul 28, 2020 15:47:03 GMT -5
The Concorde tournament said they will release schedules by August 3rd. We got our acceptance notification. I will wait to pay until the last minute which is Friday.
As an aside most tournaments release schedules 1-2 weeks before the weekend and it is usually closer to 1 week than 2. Some will post divisions beforehand and some don't. At this point it is not unusual to not have the schedule.
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Post by soccernoleuk on Jul 28, 2020 16:12:19 GMT -5
We've registered for Concorde Nike Select Aug 8-9. So only a week and a half away. So far it's still on. Have they release brackets and schedules? Concorde never releases this info early. Typically they release the weekend prior to the tournament, or the Monday before the tournament. Some clubs update a team list as they register and are accepted, but Concorde typically does not. So, this year is no different than others. |
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Post by honeybadger on Jul 29, 2020 21:35:23 GMT -5
I'm like oraclesfriend. We are in the 05 girls group and won't pay until the friday deadline.
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Post by slickdaddy96 on Jul 30, 2020 6:45:24 GMT -5
Our team is in the SSA tournament a week later, and we are part of an SSA team, and our team manager said they are not going to pay the tournament fee until they are pretty much saying they are kicking us out of the tournament if we don't, then they will pay. Since I can find no refund related policy in writing for the SSA tournament, I think that is a good idea. Now I will say SSA has never screwed over tournament people though. Generally if it doesn't get played at all they refund 100% of the money, but you never know....
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Post by soccerspin on Jul 30, 2020 7:38:03 GMT -5
Our team is in the SSA tournament a week later, and we are part of an SSA team, and our team manager said they are not going to pay the tournament fee until they are pretty much saying they are kicking us out of the tournament if we don't, then they will pay. Since I can find no refund related policy in writing for the SSA tournament, I think that is a good idea. Now I will say SSA has never screwed over tournament people though. Generally if it doesn't get played at all they refund 100% of the money, but you never know.... How is that when it says this on their home page? “Deadline for registration (and for payment of open registrations): Sat, July 25th at 11pm.“ Regarding their cancel policy, it’s in their tournament doc: “ Neither the Tournament Committee, Southern Soccer Academy, the Tournament Sponsors, or their agents and representatives are responsible for any expenses incurred by any team in the event the tournament is cancelled in whole or part, or in the event games are discontinued or cancelled due to inclement weather or adverse field conditions. In the event that the tournament is completely cancelled due to weather or other natural cause outside of the control of the club, teams will receive a partial refund of their entry fee. The actual amount will be determined once tournament expenses and other charges have been deducted but will be at least 50% of the entry fee. If the tournament has commenced, and a team has played at least one of its scheduled games, no refunds will be issued.” |
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Post by mightydawg on Jul 30, 2020 8:06:54 GMT -5
Our team is in the SSA tournament a week later, and we are part of an SSA team, and our team manager said they are not going to pay the tournament fee until they are pretty much saying they are kicking us out of the tournament if we don't, then they will pay. Since I can find no refund related policy in writing for the SSA tournament, I think that is a good idea. Now I will say SSA has never screwed over tournament people though. Generally if it doesn't get played at all they refund 100% of the money, but you never know.... How is that when it says this on their home page? “Deadline for registration (and for payment of open registrations): Sat, July 25th at 11pm.“ Regarding their cancel policy, it’s in their tournament doc: “ Neither the Tournament Committee, Southern Soccer Academy, the Tournament Sponsors, or their agents and representatives are responsible for any expenses incurred by any team in the event the tournament is cancelled in whole or part, or in the event games are discontinued or cancelled due to inclement weather or adverse field conditions. In the event that the tournament is completely cancelled due to weather or other natural cause outside of the control of the club, teams will receive a partial refund of their entry fee. The actual amount will be determined once tournament expenses and other charges have been deducted but will be at least 50% of the entry fee. If the tournament has commenced, and a team has played at least one of its scheduled games, no refunds will be issued.” That is a pretty crappy policy. That alone would keep me from registering for the SSA tournament especially in the time of COVID. |
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Post by DunwoodySoccerDad on Jul 30, 2020 8:17:04 GMT -5
Our team is in the SSA tournament a week later, and we are part of an SSA team, and our team manager said they are not going to pay the tournament fee until they are pretty much saying they are kicking us out of the tournament if we don't, then they will pay. Since I can find no refund related policy in writing for the SSA tournament, I think that is a good idea. Now I will say SSA has never screwed over tournament people though. Generally if it doesn't get played at all they refund 100% of the money, but you never know.... How is that when it says this on their home page? “Deadline for registration (and for payment of open registrations): Sat, July 25th at 11pm.“ Regarding their cancel policy, it’s in their tournament doc: “ Neither the Tournament Committee, Southern Soccer Academy, the Tournament Sponsors, or their agents and representatives are responsible for any expenses incurred by any team in the event the tournament is cancelled in whole or part, or in the event games are discontinued or cancelled due to inclement weather or adverse field conditions. In the event that the tournament is completely cancelled due to weather or other natural cause outside of the control of the club, teams will receive a partial refund of their entry fee. The actual amount will be determined once tournament expenses and other charges have been deducted but will be at least 50% of the entry fee. If the tournament has commenced, and a team has played at least one of its scheduled games, no refunds will be issued.” Yeah slickdaddy's info isn't correct - a few years ago our Concorde team was in the SSA spring preseason tournament that was completely cancelled due to weather. We got a 50% refund and a "credit" for the other 50% toward SSA's August tournament that could be used by our team or another team within Concorde. I don't know if the credit was ever used since we left Concorde after that season. |
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Post by slickdaddy96 on Jul 30, 2020 8:32:33 GMT -5
How is that when it says this on their home page? “Deadline for registration (and for payment of open registrations): Sat, July 25th at 11pm.“ Regarding their cancel policy, it’s in their tournament doc: “ Neither the Tournament Committee, Southern Soccer Academy, the Tournament Sponsors, or their agents and representatives are responsible for any expenses incurred by any team in the event the tournament is cancelled in whole or part, or in the event games are discontinued or cancelled due to inclement weather or adverse field conditions. In the event that the tournament is completely cancelled due to weather or other natural cause outside of the control of the club, teams will receive a partial refund of their entry fee. The actual amount will be determined once tournament expenses and other charges have been deducted but will be at least 50% of the entry fee. If the tournament has commenced, and a team has played at least one of its scheduled games, no refunds will be issued.” Yeah slickdaddy's info isn't correct - a few years ago our Concorde team was in the SSA spring preseason tournament that was completely cancelled due to weather. We got a 50% refund and a "credit" for the other 50% toward SSA's August tournament that could be used by our team or another team within Concorde. I don't know if the credit was ever used since we left Concorde after that season. Well since we are on an SSA team I am not incorrect. SSA teams got a full refund the last time a tournament was completely cancelled. I understand that other teams from other clubs did not, but our team did. We did get a credit for a partial cancellation another year as well. Also internal teams at least for SSA in their tournament (I would assume same goes for UFA in UFA tournaments, Concorde in theirs, etc...) get a lot more leeway in what they get and don't get compared to other club teams and when they need to pay or not. I am assuming at this point that no one (even non-SSA) has been kicked out for not paying yet. That doesn't generally happen till they start making divisions and making schedule. They generally give all teams that have not paid a warning email before kicking them off. So before you tell me I'm wrong you might want to get full info. I was specifically talking about our SSA team when I stated what I said. So you are right and I am right as well. |
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Post by mightydawg on Jul 30, 2020 8:49:09 GMT -5
Yeah slickdaddy's info isn't correct - a few years ago our Concorde team was in the SSA spring preseason tournament that was completely cancelled due to weather. We got a 50% refund and a "credit" for the other 50% toward SSA's August tournament that could be used by our team or another team within Concorde. I don't know if the credit was ever used since we left Concorde after that season. Well since we are on an SSA team I am not incorrect. SSA teams got a full refund the last time a tournament was completely cancelled. I understand that other teams from other clubs did not, but our team did. We did get a credit for a partial cancellation another year as well. Also internal teams at least for SSA in their tournament (I would assume same goes for UFA in UFA tournaments, Concorde in theirs, etc...) get a lot more leeway in what they get and don't get compared to other club teams and when they need to pay or not. I am assuming at this point that no one (even non-SSA) has been kicked out for not paying yet. That doesn't generally happen till they start making divisions and making schedule. They generally give all teams that have not paid a warning email before kicking them off. So before you tell me I'm wrong you might want to get full info. I was specifically talking about our SSA team when I stated what I said. So you are right and I am right as well. Glad that SSA treats it’s own teams better. With a refund policy like that, they should just host an SSA in house tournament instead of stealing money from paying customers when they are unable to deliver on the purchased services. Concorde has found a way (insurance) to issue full refunds. My guess is that other clubs could to if they wanted to. |
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Post by DunwoodySoccerDad on Jul 30, 2020 9:10:22 GMT -5
Yeah slickdaddy's info isn't correct - a few years ago our Concorde team was in the SSA spring preseason tournament that was completely cancelled due to weather. We got a 50% refund and a "credit" for the other 50% toward SSA's August tournament that could be used by our team or another team within Concorde. I don't know if the credit was ever used since we left Concorde after that season. Well since we are on an SSA team I am not incorrect. SSA teams got a full refund the last time a tournament was completely cancelled. I understand that other teams from other clubs did not, but our team did. We did get a credit for a partial cancellation another year as well. Also internal teams at least for SSA in their tournament (I would assume same goes for UFA in UFA tournaments, Concorde in theirs, etc...) get a lot more leeway in what they get and don't get compared to other club teams and when they need to pay or not. I am assuming at this point that no one (even non-SSA) has been kicked out for not paying yet. That doesn't generally happen till they start making divisions and making schedule. They generally give all teams that have not paid a warning email before kicking them off. So before you tell me I'm wrong you might want to get full info. I was specifically talking about our SSA team when I stated what I said. So you are right and I am right as well. Well you didn't qualify your statement with "I know for SSA teams they provide a full refund, don't know about non-SSA teams" did you? Frankly the fact that they give a full refund to SSA teams but not to non-SSA teams makes it even worse. I have no idea what UFA, Concorde, etc. does for tournament refunds since the SSA one is the only one we've participated in that was completely cancelled. All others have been partially played at a minimum, so I know none of the clubs issue refunds as long as some games were played. |
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Post by Soccerhouse on Jul 30, 2020 9:15:32 GMT -5
all -- concorde tourneys are the only ones that get rained out -- we all know that.........
Another reason why financial transparency would be nice:
where does tourney revenue go, and how is each dollar of our season registration fees allocated..
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Post by atlfutboldad on Jul 30, 2020 9:48:56 GMT -5
GSA also on rainouts.
...because neither are on turf. All tournaments should be on turf at this point...even in 90 degree heat. As much as Mt Carmel and Lovejoy are used, they should be able to afford to turf half of them. Also, use the coconut chips like Arizona Ave instead of the rubber.
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Post by flix on Jul 30, 2020 10:28:52 GMT -5
That rubber gets in my kid’s eyes frequently
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Post by bogan on Jul 30, 2020 10:52:29 GMT -5
GSA also on rainouts. ...because neither are on turf. All tournaments should be on turf at this point...even in 90 degree heat. As much as Mt Carmel and Lovejoy are used, they should be able to afford to turf half of them. Also, use the coconut chips like Arizona Ave instead of the rubber. [ Why I prefer grass... “Artificial turf also poses health hazards in addition to the problems caused by exposure to toxic chemicals. Fields containing crumb rubber often reach unsafe temperatures—one study at Brigham Young University recorded that their field reached a surface temperature of 200 degrees Fahrenheit on a 98 degree day.” |
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Post by interestedspectator on Jul 30, 2020 10:59:48 GMT -5
From NASA
Refund Policy
*If NASA Tophat must cancel this event due to COVID-19, all teams will be refunded their full Registration fee.
AFC Lightning is full refund minus $20 admin fee
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Post by ga3v3 on Jul 30, 2020 13:38:27 GMT -5
Yeah slickdaddy's info isn't correct - a few years ago our Concorde team was in the SSA spring preseason tournament that was completely cancelled due to weather. We got a 50% refund and a "credit" for the other 50% toward SSA's August tournament that could be used by our team or another team within Concorde. I don't know if the credit was ever used since we left Concorde after that season. Well since we are on an SSA team I am not incorrect. SSA teams got a full refund the last time a tournament was completely cancelled. I understand that other teams from other clubs did not, but our team did. We did get a credit for a partial cancellation another year as well. Also internal teams at least for SSA in their tournament (I would assume same goes for UFA in UFA tournaments, Concorde in theirs, etc...) get a lot more leeway in what they get and don't get compared to other club teams and when they need to pay or not. I am assuming at this point that no one (even non-SSA) has been kicked out for not paying yet. That doesn't generally happen till they start making divisions and making schedule. They generally give all teams that have not paid a warning email before kicking them off. So before you tell me I'm wrong you might want to get full info. I was specifically talking about our SSA team when I stated what I said. So you are right and I am right as well. The double treatment of clubs is horrible but unfortunately not unexpected. Another example of what is wrong with the state of the youth game. |
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Post by ga3v3 on Jul 30, 2020 13:40:30 GMT -5
From NASA Refund Policy *If NASA Tophat must cancel this event due to COVID-19, all teams will be refunded their full Registration fee. AFC Lightning is full refund minus $20 admin fee Kudos to NTH and AFC. These are the tournaments/policies that should be supported by teams and parents |
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Post by slickdaddy96 on Jul 30, 2020 14:06:23 GMT -5
Well since we are on an SSA team I am not incorrect. SSA teams got a full refund the last time a tournament was completely cancelled. I understand that other teams from other clubs did not, but our team did. We did get a credit for a partial cancellation another year as well. Also internal teams at least for SSA in their tournament (I would assume same goes for UFA in UFA tournaments, Concorde in theirs, etc...) get a lot more leeway in what they get and don't get compared to other club teams and when they need to pay or not. I am assuming at this point that no one (even non-SSA) has been kicked out for not paying yet. That doesn't generally happen till they start making divisions and making schedule. They generally give all teams that have not paid a warning email before kicking them off. So before you tell me I'm wrong you might want to get full info. I was specifically talking about our SSA team when I stated what I said. So you are right and I am right as well. The double treatment of clubs is horrible but unfortunately not unexpected. Another example of what is wrong with the state of the youth game. I can't say I blame them. One team has long term customers, the other has tournament teams, and memory is short. There are only so many tournaments and all of them work together to make sure they don't all do their tournament the same weekend each year.... |
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Post by Soccerhouse on Jul 30, 2020 14:13:25 GMT -5
Yea -- its gets old doing the same tourneys year after year
Concorde or also in the old days Nike jr
NASA boys
UFA generation adidas
SSA spring classic
UFA to end the season
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Post by USoCcer on Jul 30, 2020 15:49:01 GMT -5
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Post by collegesoccer on Jul 30, 2020 16:20:57 GMT -5
That rubber gets in my kid’s eyes frequently Should you help your kid run on their feet rather than their face?? 😏 |
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Post by mightydawg on Jul 30, 2020 16:30:25 GMT -5
Amazing that SSA has an accepted team list and the tournament is over 2 weeks away while Concorde's tournament is next week and no accepted team list has been published. I guess that since payment is not due until tomorrow, Concorde will not release it in case someone backs out on it. Don't want to appear to be jilted. |
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Post by USoCcer on Jul 30, 2020 16:49:05 GMT -5
Amazing that SSA has an accepted team list and the tournament is over 2 weeks away while Concorde's tournament is next week and no accepted team list has been published. I guess that since payment is not due until tomorrow, Concorde will not release it in case someone backs out on it. Don't want to appear to be jilted. As others have said...The Concorde tournaments hardly ever publish an accepted teams list. All you get from them is the schedules. I have often wondered why tournaments wouldn't publish a list of "registered teams"? For example, if the NTH Boys U13 P2 team wants to find other same quality teams to play, they should be able to look at all the tournament sites and find the best tournament for their level of play Although I guess you could also use those lists to go "hardware shopping". Find the tournaments that have two or three teams per age bracket and go clean up. |
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Post by soccerdad76 on Jul 31, 2020 0:10:58 GMT -5
It’s a PITA, but you can usually see on a team’s Sinc page their upcoming tournaments, even if they aren’t published yet on the tournament Sinc page. You can see what your favorite rivals are doing anyway.
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Post by flix on Jul 31, 2020 7:45:33 GMT -5
collegesoccer That was real cute. Perhaps you could help him learn how to run on his feet instead of his face. He plays at AUFC. Their artificial turf has more rubber pellets than other turf fields so those pellets fly around. Where does your kid play? I would be more than willing to follow your world class advice on how he can run on his feet and not his face. Thanks Pal.
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Post by mistergrinch on Jul 31, 2020 10:32:58 GMT -5
collegesoccer That was real cute. Perhaps you could help him learn how to run on his feet instead of his face. He plays at AUFC. Their artificial turf has more rubber pellets than other turf fields so those pellets fly around. Where does your kid play? I would be more than willing to follow your world class advice on how he can run on his feet and not his face. Thanks Pal.  |
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