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Post by socceristhebest on Jul 28, 2020 16:31:36 GMT -5
So admit I was naive, assumed CESA friendlies were just that "friendlies"
HOW DO THEY JUSTIFY CHARGING $395 PER TEAM FOR 1 GAME SATURDAY AND 1 GAME SUNDAY
How much would refs costs? $125 a game? It's friendlies use 1 ref.
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Post by rifle on Jul 28, 2020 17:22:52 GMT -5
New to club soccer?
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Post by flix on Jul 28, 2020 18:01:39 GMT -5
$395 divided by 18 doesn’t come out that bad
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Post by mistergrinch on Jul 28, 2020 18:09:25 GMT -5
At this point, I'd pay a lot more than that to see my kids play a real game.
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Post by Keeper on Jul 28, 2020 21:14:13 GMT -5
You have to pay for those??? Afu included them in our registration fees so nothing new out of pocket for the ECNL and SCCL player.
And honestly I think it’s great and cheaper then the $725 concorde is robbing us of.
One Ref for a high level team playing is just asking for injuries and a shît game.
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Post by soccerloafer on Jul 29, 2020 9:56:40 GMT -5
So admit I was naive, assumed CESA friendlies were just that "friendlies" HOW DO THEY JUSTIFY CHARGING $395 PER TEAM FOR 1 GAME SATURDAY AND 1 GAME SUNDAY How much would refs costs? $125 a game? It's friendlies use 1 ref. U15 and above, high level - 60/40/40 for a good crew - that's $140 plus 10% booker fee, so just over $300 for two games. Sounds fair to me. You do not want 1 ref on a high level game, regardless of 'friendly' or not. I've had players go to blows during in-house friendlies with the DOC watching (older boys). Take no chances, trust me. |
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Post by ga3v3 on Jul 29, 2020 10:23:17 GMT -5
So admit I was naive, assumed CESA friendlies were just that "friendlies" HOW DO THEY JUSTIFY CHARGING $395 PER TEAM FOR 1 GAME SATURDAY AND 1 GAME SUNDAY How much would refs costs? $125 a game? It's friendlies use 1 ref. U15 and above, high level - 60/40/40 for a good crew - that's $140 plus 10% booker fee, so just over $300 for two games. Sounds fair to me. You do not want 1 ref on a high level game, regardless of 'friendly' or not. I've had players go to blows during in-house friendlies with the DOC watching (older boys). Take no chances, trust me. Totally agree. Money well spent |
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Post by ga3v3 on Jul 29, 2020 11:24:02 GMT -5
So admit I was naive, assumed CESA friendlies were just that "friendlies" HOW DO THEY JUSTIFY CHARGING $395 PER TEAM FOR 1 GAME SATURDAY AND 1 GAME SUNDAY How much would refs costs? $125 a game? It's friendlies use 1 ref. U15 and above, high level - 60/40/40 for a good crew - that's $140 plus 10% booker fee, so just over $300 for two games. Sounds fair to me. You do not want 1 ref on a high level game, regardless of 'friendly' or not. I've had players go to blows during in-house friendlies with the DOC watching (older boys). Take no chances, trust me. Totally agree. Money well spent |
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Post by 04gparent on Jul 29, 2020 16:47:34 GMT -5
U15 and above, high level - 60/40/40 for a good crew - that's $140 plus 10% booker fee, so just over $300 for two games. Sounds fair to me. You do not want 1 ref on a high level game, regardless of 'friendly' or not. I've had players go to blows during in-house friendlies with the DOC watching (older boys). Take no chances, trust me. Totally agree. Money well spent This is awesome. I dont know if I have ever seen this much agreement on the forum. Yes the price is fair. Maybe the original poster is just coming up from Academy to select age. In the select ages it is no longer about the tournament win. If you are in ECNL or GA or whatever high conference you want to gear things toward winning your league. I hope I never have to see my 04 player play 2 games in 1 day again. Their bodies take a pounding. Rest and recovery is needed in between games. |
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Post by BubbleDad on Jul 29, 2020 17:43:53 GMT -5
Totally agree. Money well spent This is awesome. I dont know if I have ever seen this much agreement on the forum. Yes the price is fair. Maybe the original poster is just coming up from Academy to select age. In the select ages it is no longer about the tournament win. If you are in ECNL or GA or whatever high conference you want to gear things toward winning your league. I hope I never have to see my 04 player play 2 games in 1 day again. Their bodies take a pounding. Rest and recovery is needed in between games. Amen to that. My daughter's SCCLP team beat a DPL team down at Disney last Nov during a night game which put them in the semi-finals. They had to turn around and play a 9 a.m. game against a team that had a much easier schedule than them and didn't have as many injuries. Needless to say they lost from just being tinkered out. |
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Post by ga3v3 on Jul 29, 2020 17:55:08 GMT -5
We’re the only country I know of that runs youth tournaments with 3-4 games over a two day period
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Post by rifle on Jul 29, 2020 18:33:49 GMT -5
We’re the only country I know of that runs youth tournaments with 3-4 games over a two day period ..while the feckless federation says how bad it is for players health.. then looks the other way. |
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Post by oraclesfriend on Jul 30, 2020 10:13:16 GMT -5
We’re the only country I know of that runs youth tournaments with 3-4 games over a two day period ..while the feckless federation says how bad it is for players health.. then looks the other way. Well, when the federation ran its own league it did not do that. The tournaments had 1 game per day and usually was 3 games over 4 days to give a day of rest in there. Older kids do need more time in between games and should have 1 game per day max. Younger teams can play two games per day IMO. I would make the cutoff at U13 though because once they start 11v11 they are running a lot. U12 and under should be able to do 4 games in 2 days, but not every weekend. |
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Post by Soccerhouse on Jul 30, 2020 10:44:55 GMT -5
Feds were pretty strict with their own tournaments, but then started allowing teams to participate in tourneys on their own without the restricted game play.
Some local tourneys often would have teams play a game friday night to help with these issues when there was a showcase format -- often these would be local teams.
a three day weekend when its 90 degrees plus really is brutal... Last year in August, turf fields almost were not even playable it was so hot. Kids had nothing left in the tank for 2nd games later in the day.
fortunately most of these events remove sub restrictions and allow teams to use all 18 at their free will.
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Post by collegesoccer on Jul 30, 2020 16:28:59 GMT -5
Feds were pretty strict with their own tournaments, but then started allowing teams to participate in tourneys on their own without the restricted game play. Some local tourneys often would have teams play a game friday night to help with these issues when there was a showcase format -- often these would be local teams. a three day weekend when its 90 degrees plus really is brutal... Last year in August, turf fields almost were not even playable it was so hot. Kids had nothing left in the tank for 2nd games later in the day. fortunately most of these events remove sub restrictions and allow teams to use all 18 at their free will. “All 18” - that’s a whole new another conversation. It’s tough if your player is 16-18 on a team. |
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Post by 04gparent on Jul 30, 2020 16:47:07 GMT -5
Feds were pretty strict with their own tournaments, but then started allowing teams to participate in tourneys on their own without the restricted game play. Some local tourneys often would have teams play a game Friday night to help with these issues when there was a showcase format -- often these would be local teams. a three day weekend when its 90 degrees plus really is brutal... Last year in August, turf fields almost were not even playable it was so hot. Kids had nothing left in the tank for 2nd games later in the day. fortunately most of these events remove sub restrictions and allow teams to use all 18 at their free will. “All 18” - that’s a whole new another conversation. It’s tough if your player is 16-18 on a team. It is my experience that in ECNL or the higher leagues a lot of teams don't carry 18. They carry 15 to 16. However, I only really watch girls academy and select games. I am ok with removing substitution rules for preseason tourneys. The point is to see everyone to prepare for league season. I dont know what the boys side is experiencing. |
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Post by Keeper on Jul 30, 2020 17:33:51 GMT -5
Just curious has anyone heard when the schedule is coming out for Cesa??
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Post by collegesoccer on Jul 30, 2020 21:26:47 GMT -5
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Post by Keeper on Jul 30, 2020 22:08:41 GMT -5
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Post by ball2futbol on Jul 30, 2020 23:03:35 GMT -5
Looks like a particular GA club is headed to CESA to try to plant a few bragging rights flags in the ECNL/ECRL vs GA discussion. Hope the crossover trend continues throughout the season.
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Post by collegesoccer on Jul 31, 2020 6:01:42 GMT -5
You did click on the link and scroll down, right? Guessing that “all world” status didn’t come from your SAT score. 😏 |
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Post by soccermaxx72 on Jul 31, 2020 7:22:17 GMT -5
so the Cesa friendlies brackets are kind of interesting. Tophat has has put their second GA team, the GA Navy team, in the ECRL bracket not the ECNL bracket. So even Tophat is admitting their second team is not ecnl quality yet when season begins that Navy team will be in the same season competition bracket with the Gold team and the rest of the GA L ?
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Post by oraclesfriend on Jul 31, 2020 8:50:53 GMT -5
so the Cesa friendlies brackets are kind of interesting. Tophat has has put their second GA team, the GA Navy team, in the ECRL bracket not the ECNL bracket. So even Tophat is admitting their second team is not ecnl quality yet when season begins that Navy team will be in the same season competition bracket with the Gold team and the rest of the GA L ? Who said that Tophat made that decision? How about we wait until the season starts (if it does) before we make comments about quality of teams. |
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Post by Keeper on Jul 31, 2020 9:38:48 GMT -5
You did click on the link and scroll down, right? Guessing that “all world” status didn’t come from your SAT score. 😏 Yeah already had the link and have seen the accepted teams. Was asking about the schedule though. Maybe you should try reading the links you post. |
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Post by ball2futbol on Jul 31, 2020 10:36:11 GMT -5
so the Cesa friendlies brackets are kind of interesting. Tophat has has put their second GA team, the GA Navy team, in the ECRL bracket not the ECNL bracket. So even Tophat is admitting their second team is not ecnl quality yet when season begins that Navy team will be in the same season competition bracket with the Gold team and the rest of the GA L ? Nice try. But I think shooting their shot at winning both ECNL and ECRL divisions for bragging rights is the likely answer. TH has always gone out of its way not to have multiple teams within the same tournament divisions. Who'd want an inter-club tournament final? Definitely not the case with other clubs, just take a look at the SSA Tournament divisions on the same weekend. |
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Post by mistergrinch on Jul 31, 2020 12:44:17 GMT -5
so the Cesa friendlies brackets are kind of interesting. Tophat has has put their second GA team, the GA Navy team, in the ECRL bracket not the ECNL bracket. So even Tophat is admitting their second team is not ecnl quality yet when season begins that Navy team will be in the same season competition bracket with the Gold team and the rest of the GA L ? Nice try. But I think shooting their shot at winning both ECNL and ECRL divisions for bragging rights is the likely answer. TH has always gone out of its way not to have multiple teams within the same tournament divisions. Who'd want an inter-club tournament final? Definitely not the case with other clubs, just take a look at the SSA Tournament divisions on the same weekend. I was told that it wasn't up to the club.. CESA made the brackets. |
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Post by Soccerhouse on Jul 31, 2020 14:08:28 GMT -5
Who knows at this point if the groups weren't just created by their standard scheduling software -- wouldn't worry to much until you see a schedule. Also not sure about "winning" a division when you play 2 games in friendlies
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Post by oraclesfriend on Jul 31, 2020 14:28:39 GMT -5
I believe GSA or Cesa will win the ECNL division. also the top hat 🎩 Gold team was the only quality team top hat 🎩 fielded last year. Definitely not confident that NAVY will even make it to the finals. Umm. Is this just trash talk or are you serious? First of all it is "friendlies," not a true tournament. There will be no "winning" the division or going to the finals. Each team is playing one game per day for 2 games total. There are flights and divisions just for scheduling purposes, trying to pair people up. As for which teams will dominate their 3 team bracket (if there is such as thing) the schedules are not even out yet. If the brackets are to be believed Tophat Gold (former DA/top team) will play AFU and UFA. They won't even play GSA or CESA. In my kid's age group the best teams last year were neither of those clubs you claim will win. In fact GSA was near the bottom of their ECNL conference and CESA was mid table. Granted the GSA team has changed but I have to wonder how much CESA could have changed. Who would they pull from? Your prediction on NAVY not making the finals is 100% accurate because there are no finals. |
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Post by Keeper on Jul 31, 2020 20:09:15 GMT -5
If you didn’t see, schedule is up for Cesa friendlies.
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Post by footyfan on Jul 31, 2020 21:45:43 GMT -5
If you didn’t see, schedule is up for Cesa friendlies. Link? |
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