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Post by DunwoodySoccerDad on Aug 12, 2020 8:22:58 GMT -5
I'm so sick of this crap on this forum. If you are scared and have reservations don't go to training and game and keep your kids at home, but under no circumstances become a Karen and complain about how others are doing something you don't agree in and wanted it stopped. Live your live and let others live there. Second of all CFB did not cancel. ACC and SEC and likely the Big 12 are moving forward. This is no surprise to me at all. The conferences in more "blue" areas cancelled and the conferences in more "red" areas opted to continue. Football will be played one way or the other, so quit making the blanket statement that it is all cancelled. The kids want to play. It is not harmful to them in any statistically relevant way, and if you are scared, vulnerable, etc... stay home just don't get in everyone else's way. I should be surprised how poor your geography and/or comprehension skills are.. but I'm not.
The big 10 is blue? It's the freaking rust belt. Only minnesota and illinois even come close to being 'blue' states. The rest are pretty hard red.
Good grief.. is everything you don't agree with the fault of the 'damndemocratsocialistcommies'?
I don't know slickdaddy's posting history, but I don't think he's THAT far off in his statement about the Big 10. Take a look at this map, which shows the red vs. blue states, based on the last 4 Presidential elections: Yeah I know, it's WikipediaOnly ONE state in the entire Big 10 (Nebraska) voted Republican in the last 4 elections. And notice they were the school most vocal about the cancellation of the season. Only one other state (Indiana), voted Republican 3 of the past 4 elections. Compare that to the SEC & ACC. Only the ACC has any blue, mostly due to recent additions Syracuse, Pitt & BC. The only states the ACC have been in a long time with any blue are FL & VA. The power in the ACC resides in SC (Clemson) and the NC schools. The SEC has only FL, which split 50/50 Dem/Repub in the last 4 elections.
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Post by mightydawg on Aug 12, 2020 8:50:11 GMT -5
I tend to look more at the map of governors since national politics can be very different than local politics. 8 of 14 schools in Big 10 are in blue states. 10 of 14 of pac 12 are in blue states. 8 of 14(15 if notre dame is included) acc schools are in blue states. 12 of 14 SEC schools are in red states. 7 of 9 big 12 schools are in red states. en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_United_States_governors
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Post by Futsal Gawdess on Aug 12, 2020 9:31:22 GMT -5
I don't know slickdaddy's posting history, but I don't think he's THAT far off in his statement about the Big 10. Take a look at this map, which shows the red vs. blue states, based on the last 4 Presidential elections: Yeah I know, it's WikipediaOnly ONE state in the entire Big 10 (Nebraska) voted Republican in the last 4 elections. And notice they were the school most vocal about the cancellation of the season. Only one other state (Indiana), voted Republican 3 of the past 4 elections. Compare that to the SEC & ACC. Only the ACC has any blue, mostly due to recent additions Syracuse, Pitt & BC. The only states the ACC have been in a long time with any blue are FL & VA. The power in the ACC resides in SC (Clemson) and the NC schools. The SEC has only FL, which split 50/50 Dem/Repub in the last 4 elections. I like your posts and they are usually on point with poignant and worthy facts and experiences that I feel myself and others gain from. Please for the love of all things good, do not go down the conspiracy, blue-vs-red, the numbers say you have a 0.0034% chance of catching the new faux kung-flu virus, oh it will end at the stroke of midnite on the 3rd of November, i'm not a Karen but Ken, non-revenue generating sports should be self-sufficient, cancel Title IX rabbit hole. I've met you before and you are a decent person and an even better hubby and father. Please don't let "them" pull you into the political relm that only alienates us even further...
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Post by DunwoodySoccerDad on Aug 12, 2020 9:49:23 GMT -5
I don't know slickdaddy's posting history, but I don't think he's THAT far off in his statement about the Big 10. Take a look at this map, which shows the red vs. blue states, based on the last 4 Presidential elections: Yeah I know, it's WikipediaOnly ONE state in the entire Big 10 (Nebraska) voted Republican in the last 4 elections. And notice they were the school most vocal about the cancellation of the season. Only one other state (Indiana), voted Republican 3 of the past 4 elections. Compare that to the SEC & ACC. Only the ACC has any blue, mostly due to recent additions Syracuse, Pitt & BC. The only states the ACC have been in a long time with any blue are FL & VA. The power in the ACC resides in SC (Clemson) and the NC schools. The SEC has only FL, which split 50/50 Dem/Repub in the last 4 elections. I like your posts and they are usually on point with poignant and worthy facts and experiences that I feel myself and others gain from. Please for the love of all things good, do not go down the conspiracy, blue-vs-red, the numbers say you have a 0.0034% chance of catching the new faux kung-flu virus, oh it will end at the stroke of midnite on the 3rd of November, i'm not a Karen but Ken, non-revenue generating sports should be self-sufficient, cancel Title IX rabbit hole. I've met you before and you are a decent person and an even better hubby and father. Please don't let "them" pull you into the political relm that only alienates us even further... We've met before? Interesting. I appreciate the compliments. That being said, I'm definitely not a conspiracy theorist. But I can't deny that the two P5 football conferences who pulled out of fall football first were the "bluest" of the 5 based on the states in which they reside. I really don't mean that to come off as a judgment against those states/conferences, just an observation that's worth noting. Again, I don't know much about slickdaddy's posts but felt that mistergrinch's statement that the Big 10 was mostly made up of red states didn't seem to add up based on recent history.
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Post by slickdaddy96 on Aug 12, 2020 10:17:17 GMT -5
I'm so sick of this crap on this forum. If you are scared and have reservations don't go to training and game and keep your kids at home, but under no circumstances become a Karen and complain about how others are doing something you don't agree in and wanted it stopped. Live your live and let others live there. Second of all CFB did not cancel. ACC and SEC and likely the Big 12 are moving forward. This is no surprise to me at all. The conferences in more "blue" areas cancelled and the conferences in more "red" areas opted to continue. Football will be played one way or the other, so quit making the blanket statement that it is all cancelled. The kids want to play. It is not harmful to them in any statistically relevant way, and if you are scared, vulnerable, etc... stay home just don't get in everyone else's way. I should be surprised how poor your geography and/or comprehension skills are.. but I'm not.
The big 10 is blue? It's the freaking rust belt. Only minnesota and illinois even come close to being 'blue' states. The rest are pretty hard red.
Good grief.. is everything you don't agree with the fault of the 'damndemocratsocialistcommies'?
Considering you just had multiple other posters agree basically with my points I'll take an apology anytime you feel like giving one to me. I'm not holding my breath though. Are there exceptions to the rules? Yes of course, but most of the Big 10 school do indeed have Democrats as governors who have a lot of say so in whether their schools can play football or not. Same goes with Pac 12, so of course those were going to be the first two conferences to cancel. As someone else pointed out, you can tell from the few red state schools in these conferences that they are the most vocal against it being postponed. The Big 12 had to go on as long as the SEC does because the SEC has wanted Oklahoma and Texas for years, and a possible breach of contract could get Texas and Oklahoma in the SEC permanently. Same goes with ACC, even if some of the schools are in the north in blue states they have to do it if SEC does as well because also SEC has always eyed FSU and Clemson as well. So those 3 will have to try to go forward even if it gets shutdown 2 weeks in. Now whether it is with fans or not is another discussion.
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Post by kidsocceruber on Aug 12, 2020 10:33:19 GMT -5
FWIW the MAC was the first to opt out: Michigan(3), Ohio(6), Indiana(1), Illinois(1) and New York(1) with Ohio and Indiana being (R) and Ohio, Michigan and Indiana voted (R) for POTUS in 2016. This decision is purely about money and liability, it's not about who they voted for. The All Mighty Dollar is what most universities care about in the end.
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Post by slickdaddy96 on Aug 12, 2020 10:46:55 GMT -5
FWIW the MAC was the first to opt out: Michigan(3), Ohio(6), Indiana(1), Illinois(1) and New York(1) with Ohio and Indiana being (R) and Ohio, Michigan and Indiana voted (R) for POTUS in 2016. This decision is purely about money and liability, it's not about who they voted for. The All Mighty Dollar is what most universities care about in the end. Michigan has a authoritative "national socialist" as their governor to be completely honest. If you think she was going to let college football happen, you are naive. So if you don't think what governor is in charge of the state has anything to do this you are also naive. Look at the votes from the Presidents. I can guarantee if you have any dissenting votes they will come from red governor states. Sadly like it or not the virus has been politicized and it shouldn't have been.
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Post by justwatching on Aug 12, 2020 10:57:26 GMT -5
To the initial question I don't think cancelling/postponing college football should have a lot of barring on academy soccer (not saying that it won't) or if it is safe for kids to play. I think having young adults in a college setting will provide very little ability for the schools and athletic programs to really control the amount of contact, etc. these athletes have with the outside world. Which will make the risk for infection high. Additionally, the game itself is drastically different. The amount of contact, time in close proximity to others (on the field, film study, weight room, etc.) is much higher than soccer (especially academy soccer). Once a case happens within a college football program it will be very hard to contain it or to do any realistic form of contact tracing. But to me an equally large factor in these decisions have to do with revenue generation. Football without fans removes the majority of the programs' actual revenue (estimated about 75% of revenue). So most if not all programs will operate at a loss without having fans in the stands. So while people on the outside are upset at no football for many schools (I am one that can't wait each year for college football to come on) you are talking about potentially risking people's lives/long term health, (relatively new virus with little known about it) especially if you have fans, for people's entertainment value all while losing money for the university? Doesn't make a lot of sense to say yes let's play.
Now academy soccer is different to me in that 1) Again the sport is different in regards to the amount of momentary contact and sustained contact 2) These kids are still for the most part under the supervision of parents/adults so you would assume that provides some form of controls to not have a lot of unnecessary exposure to COVID risky situations and 3) There is no operating loss for the clubs/or leagues. Nothing has changed for them. Any controls that are implemented if costs are associated will likely be pushed down to the participants to pay for so no financial impact
But I say all of that with the belief if all of college football is canceled youth soccer will likely be impacted.
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Post by kidsocceruber on Aug 12, 2020 11:00:44 GMT -5
Pac-10 and MAC voted unanimously, Big 10 was 12-2 as far as I could find(Iowa and Nebraska).
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Post by ball2futbol on Aug 12, 2020 11:01:31 GMT -5
These decisions are about power and money grab, not red vs blue states. Politicians come and go, but control can last generations. There's no coincidence the Big 10 and Pac 12 athletes were vocal in their concerns and wanted some assurances in order to play. A week later seasons are postponed?!? The blanketed "we're doing this for safety reasons only" is a farce. I agree with the notion, this will change the college landscape forever and maybe it's time to do so. Whether or not you agree with that stance by student-athletes, its clear the conferences didn't want to go down that rabbit-hole. And the NCAA is a joke! They certainly didn't bat an eye, when they alone made the decision to cancel D-II and D-III fall sports. If the NCAA's leadership role isn't to get involved when the health and safety of the student-athlete is in jeopardy, then what the H**L exactly is their role?
I think we all saw a microcosm of this with the dismantling of DA this spring. If you cant control and generate the revenue as originally constructed or intended, just tear it down and re-brand it as something else.
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Post by girlsoccer on Aug 12, 2020 11:23:35 GMT -5
Being concerned is reasonable but concerned about what? If you are concerned that your kid might get covid and expose a high risk family member that makes sense. But statistically you shouldn’t be concerned about your kid’s health. They are more likely to be killed in a car wreck on the way to a soccer game than contract and die from COVID at the same game. It’s all about risk versus benefit. I believe most people have an inflated view of the mortality risk with COVID (especially for young people). So be concerned but if you aren’t willing to accept the risk of Covid in your kid then you really should not ever put them in a car again.
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Post by kidsocceruber on Aug 12, 2020 11:29:31 GMT -5
Being concerned is reasonable but concerned about what? If you are concerned that your kid might get covid and expose a high risk family member that makes sense. But statistically you shouldn’t be concerned about your kid’s health. They are more likely to be killed in a car wreck on the way to a soccer game than contract and die from COVID at the same game. It’s all about risk versus benefit. I believe most people have an inflated view of the mortality risk with COVID (especially for young people). So be concerned but if you aren’t willing to accept the risk of Covid in your kid then you really should not ever put them in a car again. While I agree with the risk being low enough that I'm good with my kids playing this season, the argument using cars as an example of risk is tiresome and invalid. We mitigate risk while driving cars(speed, seatbelts, advanced car systems with breaking, lane assist, etc). Viruses spread without any of that mitigation and unknowingly to most if not all of us. Yes, wearing a mask may help that but if nobody is wearing a mask using your comparison that's like not wearing a seatbelt in the car...Let's drop that comparison altogether and leave it at if you're not ok with the risk then don't send them out there and be done with it.
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Post by mistergrinch on Aug 12, 2020 11:32:43 GMT -5
FWIW the MAC was the first to opt out: Michigan(3), Ohio(6), Indiana(1), Illinois(1) and New York(1) with Ohio and Indiana being (R) and Ohio, Michigan and Indiana voted (R) for POTUS in 2016. This decision is purely about money and liability, it's not about who they voted for. The All Mighty Dollar is what most universities care about in the end. Michigan has a authoritative craycray as their governor to be completely honest. If you think she was going to let college football happen, you are naive. So if you don't think what governor is in charge of the state has anything to do this you are also naive. Look at the votes from the Presidents. I can guarantee if you have any dissenting votes they will come from red governor states. Sadly like it or not the virus has been politicized and it shouldn't have been. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Godwin%27s_law
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Post by girlsoccer on Aug 12, 2020 11:42:34 GMT -5
Being concerned is reasonable but concerned about what? If you are concerned that your kid might get covid and expose a high risk family member that makes sense. But statistically you shouldn’t be concerned about your kid’s health. They are more likely to be killed in a car wreck on the way to a soccer game than contract and die from COVID at the same game. It’s all about risk versus benefit. I believe most people have an inflated view of the mortality risk with COVID (especially for young people). So be concerned but if you aren’t willing to accept the risk of Covid in your kid then you really should not ever put them in a car again. While I agree with the risk being low enough that I'm good with my kids playing this season, the argument using cars as an example of risk is tiresome and invalid. We mitigate risk while driving cars(speed, seatbelts, advanced car systems with breaking, lane assist, etc). Viruses spread without any of that mitigation and unknowingly to most if not all of us. Yes, wearing a mask may help that but if nobody is wearing a mask using your comparison that's like not wearing a seatbelt in the car...Let's drop that comparison altogether and leave it at if you're not ok with the risk then don't send them out there and be done with it. I disagree. Despite all our mitigation efforts at reducing mortality in car wrecks, approx 5000 children per year still die as a result each year. It is directly comparable because despite our efforts (or lack thereof) to curb COVId deaths, approx 60-70 children have died as a result of Covid. The numbers are the numbers.
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Post by footyfan on Aug 12, 2020 11:44:11 GMT -5
FWIW the MAC was the first to opt out: Michigan(3), Ohio(6), Indiana(1), Illinois(1) and New York(1) with Ohio and Indiana being (R) and Ohio, Michigan and Indiana voted (R) for POTUS in 2016. This decision is purely about money and liability, it's not about who they voted for. The All Mighty Dollar is what most universities care about in the end. Michigan has a authoritative craycray as their governor to be completely honest. If you think she was going to let college football happen, you are naive. So if you don't think what governor is in charge of the state has anything to do this you are also naive. Look at the votes from the Presidents. I can guarantee if you have any dissenting votes they will come from red governor states. Sadly like it or not the virus has been politicized and it shouldn't have been. Just when I think we've already hit bottom. Welcome to the bottom slick. What a head wound.
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Post by kidsocceruber on Aug 12, 2020 12:36:20 GMT -5
While I agree with the risk being low enough that I'm good with my kids playing this season, the argument using cars as an example of risk is tiresome and invalid. We mitigate risk while driving cars(speed, seatbelts, advanced car systems with breaking, lane assist, etc). Viruses spread without any of that mitigation and unknowingly to most if not all of us. Yes, wearing a mask may help that but if nobody is wearing a mask using your comparison that's like not wearing a seatbelt in the car...Let's drop that comparison altogether and leave it at if you're not ok with the risk then don't send them out there and be done with it. I disagree. Despite all our mitigation efforts at reducing mortality in car wrecks, approx 5000 children per year still die as a result each year. It is directly comparable because despite our efforts (or lack thereof) to curb COVId deaths, approx 60-70 children have died as a result of Covid. The numbers are the numbers. We've established that the kids are far less likely to die or have bad symptoms from covid, but the spread to adults is still the issue as is the underlying conditions it seems to be causing in select young, otherwise healthy people. I've yet to find someone that actually wants to catch the virus and suffer through the weeks of symptoms. Staying on topic of the actual thread, the concern is not just these football players catching the virus but also the liability and risk of even one covid related death over choosing to play a game. But I can play with numbers also Over 6 million confirmed car crashes a year in the US, 37,000 deaths (1600 children). ~0.6% death rate in those accidents. Over 5 million confirmed covid cases in the US, 162,000 deaths(76 under 18). ~3% death rate in those cases overall. Your logic doesn't take into account that we have next to no choice but to drive places so we take that risk and mitigate it as best we can, but we don't have to play youth soccer. Those that want to play take the risk, and the risk of the asymptomatic, healthy child passing it to someone that won't be. I actually haven't seen one (vocal) person on this board comment that their child won't play this year, but our U10 team had a handful of kids drop out due to covid concerns and they made the best choice for them. Sources: www.thewanderingrv.com/car-accident-statistics/covid19.who.int/region/amro/country/usdata.cdc.gov/NCHS/Provisional-COVID-19-Deaths-Among-Ages-0-18-Years/nr4s-juj3
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Post by oraclesfriend on Aug 12, 2020 12:43:34 GMT -5
I disagree. Despite all our mitigation efforts at reducing mortality in car wrecks, approx 5000 children per year still die as a result each year. It is directly comparable because despite our efforts (or lack thereof) to curb COVId deaths, approx 60-70 children have died as a result of Covid. The numbers are the numbers. We've established that the kids are far less likely to die or have bad symptoms from covid, but the spread to adults is still the issue as is the underlying conditions it seems to be causing in select young, otherwise healthy people. I've yet to find someone that actually wants to catch the virus and suffer through the weeks of symptoms. Staying on topic of the actual thread, the concern is not just these football players catching the virus but also the liability and risk of even one covid related death over choosing to play a game. But I can play with numbers also Over 6 million confirmed car crashes a year in the US, 37,000 deaths (1600 children). ~0.6% death rate in those accidents. Over 5 million confirmed covid cases in the US, 162,000 deaths(76 under 18). ~3% death rate in those cases overall. Your logic doesn't take into account that we have next to no choice but to drive places so we take that risk and mitigate it as best we can, but we don't have to play youth soccer. Those that want to play take the risk, and the risk of the asymptomatic, healthy child passing it to someone that won't be. I actually haven't seen one (vocal) person on this board comment that their child won't play this year, but our U10 team had a handful of kids drop out due to covid concerns and they made the best choice for them. Sources: www.thewanderingrv.com/car-accident-statistics/covid19.who.int/region/amro/country/usdata.cdc.gov/NCHS/Provisional-COVID-19-Deaths-Among-Ages-0-18-Years/nr4s-juj3I have heard of other younger and older players not playing due to covid. One is the child of a difficult to manage diabetic parent. Not all diabetics are the same and her dad has a LOT of trouble with his. Smart choice on the part of the family. Sad for the player who improved a lot last season and will miss out. She would probably rather have her dad alive though...
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Post by kidsocceruber on Aug 12, 2020 13:02:33 GMT -5
I have heard of other younger and older players not playing due to covid. One is the child of a difficult to manage diabetic parent. Not all diabetics are the same and her dad has a LOT of trouble with his. Smart choice on the part of the family. Sad for the player who improved a lot last season and will miss out. She would probably rather have her dad alive though... Completely selfless act and highly commendable, terrible situation to be in.
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Post by slickdaddy96 on Aug 12, 2020 13:06:45 GMT -5
Michigan has a authoritative "National Socialist" as their governor to be completely honest. If you think she was going to let college football happen, you are naive. So if you don't think what governor is in charge of the state has anything to do this you are also naive. Look at the votes from the Presidents. I can guarantee if you have any dissenting votes they will come from red governor states. Sadly like it or not the virus has been politicized and it shouldn't have been. Just when I think we've already hit bottom. Welcome to the bottom slick. What a head wound. So by all means please tell me where what I said was wrong? She is extremely unpopular in her own state. She won't win re-election. She chastises one set of protester while championing and having no issue with another. She is an authoritative governor. Maybe "National Socialist" is overboard, but the way she has done some of her moves is indeed close to some of the same tactics they used back in the 30's-40's in Europe.
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Post by atlfutboldad on Aug 12, 2020 13:13:48 GMT -5
Reductio Ad Hitlerum. Argument over. Back to soccer talk.
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Post by Whistledown on Aug 12, 2020 13:17:04 GMT -5
Being concerned is reasonable but concerned about what? If you are concerned that your kid might get covid and expose a high risk family member that makes sense. But statistically you shouldn’t be concerned about your kid’s health. They are more likely to be killed in a car wreck on the way to a soccer game than contract and die from COVID at the same game. It’s all about risk versus benefit. I believe most people have an inflated view of the mortality risk with COVID (especially for young people). So be concerned but if you aren’t willing to accept the risk of Covid in your kid then you really should not ever put them in a car again. This is not exactly true. The numbers for dying in a car accident are over one's lifespan. You have to adjust that by however many car drives a person goes on in their life to figure out the risk for one single drive. For example, you have 1 in 103 odds of dying in a car accident. If a person goes on 2 car trips a day every day of their life, that means the odds of dying in a car accident on your way to a game this weekend would be somewhere along 1 in 6,180,000.
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Post by bogan on Aug 12, 2020 13:17:07 GMT -5
Reductio Ad Hitlerum. Argument over. Back to soccer talk. Ita vero, Veritas
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Post by sanesoccerdad on Aug 12, 2020 13:19:39 GMT -5
Just when I think we've already hit bottom. Welcome to the bottom slick. What a head wound. So by all means please tell me where what I said was wrong? She is extremely unpopular in her own state. She won't win re-election. She chastises one set of protester while championing and having no issue with another. She is an authoritative governor. Maybe craycray is overboard, but the way she has done some of her moves is indeed close to some of the same tactics they used back in the 30's-40's in Europe. Speaking for those of us that lost family in the Holocaust, I can tell you that this is horribly offensive and you are an idiot.
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Post by girlsoccer on Aug 12, 2020 13:43:05 GMT -5
Being concerned is reasonable but concerned about what? If you are concerned that your kid might get covid and expose a high risk family member that makes sense. But statistically you shouldn’t be concerned about your kid’s health. They are more likely to be killed in a car wreck on the way to a soccer game than contract and die from COVID at the same game. It’s all about risk versus benefit. I believe most people have an inflated view of the mortality risk with COVID (especially for young people). So be concerned but if you aren’t willing to accept the risk of Covid in your kid then you really should not ever put them in a car again. This is not exactly true. The numbers for dying in a car accident are over one's lifespan. You have to adjust that by however many car drives a person goes on in their life to figure out the risk for one single drive. For example, you have 1 in 103 odds of dying in a car accident. If a person goes on 2 car trips a day every day of their life, that means the odds of dying in a car accident on your way to a game this weekend would be somewhere along 1 in 6,180,000. I appreciate the attempted math lesson (though I promise you I don’t need it). The chances of dying in a car wreck driving to one game is very slight of course but so is the chance of catching covid during that game. I have no problem with people keeping their kids out of soccer if they are concerned. However I want their concern to be based on facts, not irrational. At this point most people’s fear of this virus and it’s potential to kill or seriously harm them is irrational and is not based on data.
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Post by girlsoccer on Aug 12, 2020 13:51:21 GMT -5
I disagree. Despite all our mitigation efforts at reducing mortality in car wrecks, approx 5000 children per year still die as a result each year. It is directly comparable because despite our efforts (or lack thereof) to curb COVId deaths, approx 60-70 children have died as a result of Covid. The numbers are the numbers. We've established that the kids are far less likely to die or have bad symptoms from covid, but the spread to adults is still the issue as is the underlying conditions it seems to be causing in select young, otherwise healthy people. I've yet to find someone that actually wants to catch the virus and suffer through the weeks of symptoms. Staying on topic of the actual thread, the concern is not just these football players catching the virus but also the liability and risk of even one covid related death over choosing to play a game. But I can play with numbers also Over 6 million confirmed car crashes a year in the US, 37,000 deaths (1600 children). ~0.6% death rate in those accidents. Over 5 million confirmed covid cases in the US, 162,000 deaths(76 under 18). ~3% death rate in those cases overall. Your logic doesn't take into account that we have next to no choice but to drive places so we take that risk and mitigate it as best we can, but we don't have to play youth soccer. Those that want to play take the risk, and the risk of the asymptomatic, healthy child passing it to someone that won't be. I actually haven't seen one (vocal) person on this board comment that their child won't play this year, but our U10 team had a handful of kids drop out due to covid concerns and they made the best choice for them. Sources: www.thewanderingrv.com/car-accident-statistics/covid19.who.int/region/amro/country/usdata.cdc.gov/NCHS/Provisional-COVID-19-Deaths-Among-Ages-0-18-Years/nr4s-juj3Ahhh. Misrepresenting statistics I see. I assume you thought you were dealing with an amateur here 😂 Kudos for attaching references but if you read your own references, the 1600 number you quoted is children age 14 and younger. The covid statistics are up to 18. Car accidents account for approx 5000 (between 4500 and 5000) deaths in children 18 and under per year. Additionally, no one, including the cdc quotes a 3% mortality for covid anymore. Accounting for the vast number of asymptomatic positives the real case fatality rate is around 0.5%. Additionally, why do we HAVE to drive. If we think we need to shut down society due to Covid with its fatality rate in kids why wouldn’t we stop driving? To turn around the narrative that has been used against anyone arguing for schools to reopen- what? You aren’t willing to stop driving to save the life of 5000 children every year? Are you a monster?
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Post by Whistledown on Aug 12, 2020 14:00:34 GMT -5
This is not exactly true. The numbers for dying in a car accident are over one's lifespan. You have to adjust that by however many car drives a person goes on in their life to figure out the risk for one single drive. For example, you have 1 in 103 odds of dying in a car accident. If a person goes on 2 car trips a day every day of their life, that means the odds of dying in a car accident on your way to a game this weekend would be somewhere along 1 in 6,180,000. I appreciate the attempted math lesson (though I promise you I don’t need it). The chances of dying in a car wreck driving to one game is very slight of course but so is the chance of catching covid during that game. I have no problem with people keeping their kids out of soccer if they are concerned. However I want their concern to be based on facts, not irrational. At this point most people’s fear of this virus and it’s potential to kill or seriously harm them is irrational and is not based on data. tell that to the dead people.
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Post by ball2futbol on Aug 12, 2020 14:02:39 GMT -5
So by all means please tell me where what I said was wrong? She is extremely unpopular in her own state. She won't win re-election. She chastises one set of protester while championing and having no issue with another. She is an authoritative governor. Maybe craycray is overboard, but the way she has done some of her moves is indeed close to some of the same tactics they used back in the 30's-40's in Europe. Speaking for those of us that lost family in the Holocaust, I can tell you that this is horribly offensive and you are an idiot. Bigotry should never fall witness to merely the mute. We should all be offended, even in a soccer forum.
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Post by kidsocceruber on Aug 12, 2020 14:10:36 GMT -5
We've established that the kids are far less likely to die or have bad symptoms from covid, but the spread to adults is still the issue as is the underlying conditions it seems to be causing in select young, otherwise healthy people. I've yet to find someone that actually wants to catch the virus and suffer through the weeks of symptoms. Staying on topic of the actual thread, the concern is not just these football players catching the virus but also the liability and risk of even one covid related death over choosing to play a game. But I can play with numbers also Over 6 million confirmed car crashes a year in the US, 37,000 deaths (1600 children). ~0.6% death rate in those accidents. Over 5 million confirmed covid cases in the US, 162,000 deaths(76 under 18). ~3% death rate in those cases overall. Your logic doesn't take into account that we have next to no choice but to drive places so we take that risk and mitigate it as best we can, but we don't have to play youth soccer. Those that want to play take the risk, and the risk of the asymptomatic, healthy child passing it to someone that won't be. I actually haven't seen one (vocal) person on this board comment that their child won't play this year, but our U10 team had a handful of kids drop out due to covid concerns and they made the best choice for them. Sources: www.thewanderingrv.com/car-accident-statistics/covid19.who.int/region/amro/country/usdata.cdc.gov/NCHS/Provisional-COVID-19-Deaths-Among-Ages-0-18-Years/nr4s-juj3Ahhh. Misrepresenting statistics I see. I assume you thought you were dealing with an amateur here 😂 Kudos for attaching references but if you read your own references, the 1600 number you quoted is children age 14 and younger. The covid statistics are up to 18. Car accidents account for approx 5000 (between 4500 and 5000) deaths in children 18 and under per year. Additionally, no one, including the cdc quotes a 3% mortality for covid anymore. Accounting for the vast number of asymptomatic positives the real case fatality rate is around 0.5%. Additionally, why do we HAVE to drive. If we think we need to shut down society due to Covid with its fatality rate in kids why wouldn’t we stop driving? To turn around the narrative that has been used against anyone arguing for schools to reopen- what? You aren’t willing to stop driving to save the life of 5000 children every year? Are you a monster? Ah, so you're a PROFESSIONAL troll! You're trying to misdirect, but I guess that's the point isn't it. They're really not the same thing, apples to oranges but I made my point and it's just useless arguing.
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Post by Keeper on Aug 12, 2020 14:18:35 GMT -5
Just when I think we've already hit bottom. Welcome to the bottom slick. What a head wound. So by all means please tell me where what I said was wrong? She is extremely unpopular in her own state. She won't win re-election. She chastises one set of protester while championing and having no issue with another. She is an authoritative governor. Maybe craycray is overboard, but the way she has done some of her moves is indeed close to some of the same tactics they used back in the 30's-40's in Europe. Haha funny you can change She to he, state to country, and governor to president and it’s the same for the trump.
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Post by footyfan on Aug 12, 2020 14:54:42 GMT -5
Just when I think we've already hit bottom. Welcome to the bottom slick. What a head wound. So by all means please tell me where what I said was wrong? She is extremely unpopular in her own state. She won't win re-election. She chastises one set of protester while championing and having no issue with another. She is an authoritative governor. Maybe craycray is overboard, but the way she has done some of her moves is indeed close to some of the same tactics they used back in the 30's-40's in Europe. craycrays were first and foremost racists. To the point they killed people for being of non-aryan stock. If you don't like how the governor wields power, look for an authoritarian, non-racist leader to compare her to if you'd like(good luck, they're all racist) Now if you want to compare a different current racist leader and his appointed directors to the craycrays, feel free. He's probably at an empty suburban housewives rally with the tiktok kids.
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