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SCCL Club - Sub Rules Sept 12, 2021 10:49:02 GMT -5

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Post by nole95 on Sept 12, 2021 10:49:02 GMT -5

For those who played SCCL Club level games yesterday, what are the sub rules this year?

I know last year if a player subbed out during the half, they could not come back in until the next half. However, in looking at the SCCL rules on the website, it seems to indicate that subs can happen at any stoppage for all levels.

flamengo100 Academy Posts: 123	SCCL Club - Sub Rules Sept 12, 2021 13:19:54 GMT -5 Quote Select Post Deselect Post Link to Post Member Give Gift Back to Top Post by flamengo100 on Sept 12, 2021 13:19:54 GMT -5 Yes, the SCCL changed the sub rule this year so players subbed off one half can return during the same half.

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SCCL Club - Sub Rules Sept 12, 2021 16:00:15 GMT -5

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Post by soccernoleuk on Sept 12, 2021 16:00:15 GMT -5

Depends on the age group. The past 2 years we played SCCL Club and players could sub off and return the same half. I believe now they have a uniform rule across all age groups, and that is allowing subs to re-enter in the same half.

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Changing that rule just shows that SCCL is a lower level of soccer. Part of soccer development is learning to manage the game. Unlimited subs does not allow that to happen. Instead it is full go all the time.

greenmonkey DA/ECNL Posts: 405	SCCL Club - Sub Rules Sept 12, 2021 16:36:10 GMT -5 via mobile Quote Select Post Deselect Post Link to Post Member Give Gift Back to Top Post by greenmonkey on Sept 12, 2021 16:36:10 GMT -5 Both games and all coaches played no entry in the half yesterday and today at SCCL Club

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SCCL Club - Sub Rules Sept 12, 2021 16:51:55 GMT -5 via mobile

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Here is the truly funny part. The SCCL rules are silent on the number of substitutions but say that except as modified the FIFA laws of the game apply. The FIFA laws of the game currently allow for 5 subs for the entire game with no re-entry. Someone should bust that out in an SCCL game.

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SCCL Club - Sub Rules Sept 13, 2021 6:46:13 GMT -5

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Post by slickdaddy96 on Sept 13, 2021 6:46:13 GMT -5

SCCL-Club was the only division to begin with that had that substitution rule. P1 its first year did not and when P1 expanded to P1-P# they were not included on that either. From what I gather here SCCL Club changed their rules to match the P1 and below rules.

In the older age groups thinking back to my kid that plays on an SCCL-P level team, his coaches generally didn't sub people to mid-way through the 1st half and then those players subbed out generally never came back in unless until the 2nd half unless there was an injury. I would imagine most older age teams kind of defacto do that anyway whether it is a rule or not.

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SCCL Club - Sub Rules Sept 13, 2021 6:59:57 GMT -5

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Post by nole95 on Sept 13, 2021 6:59:57 GMT -5

My daughter plays SCCL Club. In the games they played this weekend, the old rule apparently was in effect. Once subbed out, the player was not allowed back in that half. One ref even made sure to write down numbers so that he knew who had subbed out.

My daughter's coach just did a mass sub halfway through each half, which I am not a very big fan of either. If certain players seem to have something going on, then let them continue to play rather than killing momentum with a mass substitution.

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SCCL Club - Sub Rules Sept 13, 2021 7:57:30 GMT -5

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I had a kid playing SCCL Club from its inception, back when there was only SCCL Club the first year. During that initial weekend of games over Labor Day weekend in 2018 the intention was to follow the rule of not allowing players to sub back in later in the half after they were removed. That lasted all of one game. By Sunday they changed the rule to allow free substitutions, and it stayed that way for the next three seasons we played SCCL Club (this was U12-U14).

mightydawg National Team Posts: 1,244	SCCL Club - Sub Rules Sept 13, 2021 8:12:19 GMT -5 Quote Select Post Deselect Post Link to Post Member Give Gift Back to Top Post by mightydawg on Sept 13, 2021 8:12:19 GMT -5 The original rules were U12-U14 was free subbing; U15 and above was once you came out in the half, could not re-enter. That was in place until this year.

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SCCL Club - Sub Rules Sept 13, 2021 8:23:14 GMT -5 bolo likes this

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Sept 13, 2021 8:14:01 GMT -5 thip said:

Saturday at NASA , unlimited subs
Sunday at Concord, restricted subs
Apparently will vary from game to game and club to club.

Interesing. My daughter had two games this weekend. Both at home. No unlimited subs in either game.

There is no reason the rule should be so inconsitent from club to club. Either it is a rule or it isn't. Clubs should not be able to pick and choose how subs will be allowed.

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SCCL Club - Sub Rules Sept 13, 2021 8:45:25 GMT -5

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Sept 13, 2021 7:57:30 GMT -5 bolo said:

I had a kid playing SCCL Club from its inception, back when there was only SCCL Club the first year. During that initial weekend of games over Labor Day weekend in 2018 the intention was to follow the rule of not allowing players to sub back in later in the half after they were removed. That lasted all of one game. By Sunday they changed the rule to allow free substitutions, and it stayed that way for the next three seasons we played SCCL Club (this was U12-U14).

Yes you brought back my memory on this, I seem to remember this happening, but I believe what they did was just raise the age of the rule. I still think U15 or U16 and above still had that rule. They just removed it for the lower aged teams, which I am in favor of. I think there should be more substitutions at the younger age groups.

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SCCL Club - Sub Rules Sept 13, 2021 8:46:29 GMT -5

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Sept 13, 2021 8:12:19 GMT -5 mightydawg said:

The original rules were U12-U14 was free subbing; U15 and above was once you came out in the half, could not re-enter. That was in place until this year.

But even then it was only limited to the SCCL-Club level. The Premier levels never had that rule for any age group.

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SCCL Club - Sub Rules Sept 13, 2021 8:48:25 GMT -5

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Sept 13, 2021 8:23:14 GMT -5 nole95 said:

Sept 13, 2021 8:14:01 GMT -5 thip said:

Saturday at NASA , unlimited subs
Sunday at Concord, restricted subs
Apparently will vary from game to game and club to club.

Interesing. My daughter had two games this weekend. Both at home. No unlimited subs in either game.

There is no reason the rule should be so inconsitent from club to club. Either it is a rule or it isn't. Clubs should not be able to pick and choose how subs will be allowed.

I doubt it is the club and it is more likely Referees who do not know all the rules for the game they are refereeing. Since it seems SCCL Club and SCCL Premier have two different sets of rules the coaches need to be proactive with the referees to make sure they know if the game is a Club level game or a Premier level game and what the difference in the rules entails, so everyone is on the same page.

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SCCL Club - Sub Rules Sept 13, 2021 8:56:50 GMT -5 soccerlegacy, DunwoodySoccerDad, and 2 more like this

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Sept 13, 2021 8:45:25 GMT -5 slickdaddy96 said:

Sept 13, 2021 7:57:30 GMT -5 bolo said:

I had a kid playing SCCL Club from its inception, back when there was only SCCL Club the first year. During that initial weekend of games over Labor Day weekend in 2018 the intention was to follow the rule of not allowing players to sub back in later in the half after they were removed. That lasted all of one game. By Sunday they changed the rule to allow free substitutions, and it stayed that way for the next three seasons we played SCCL Club (this was U12-U14).

Yes you brought back my memory on this, I seem to remember this happening, but I believe what they did was just raise the age of the rule. I still think U15 or U16 and above still had that rule. They just removed it for the lower aged teams, which I am in favor of. I think there should be more substitutions at the younger age groups.

Got it, that makes sense. I personally hate limited sub rules in youth soccer. I know "real soccer" limits subs, and that's great and all, but this is youth soccer that parents are paying a lot of money for their kids to play- with PLAY being the operative word here. I don't like putting limits on who can get on the field and for how long. I know, unlimited subbing takes some of the strategy out of it, and rewards the teams that are better conditioned overall, but I also don't like the idea of players that are completely gassed at the end of a very hot, 80 or 90-minute game having to stay out there when you've got fresher legs on the bench who could take their place. Or "saving players" for the end of a half in case you have an injury or someone just can't continue. Again, this is youth soccer, not the World Cup or Premier League- let the kids PLAY.

And now I'll prepare for the incoming onslaught letting me know I'm not a "real soccer fan"! Oh well, sue me for having an opinion!

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SCCL Club - Sub Rules Sept 13, 2021 9:03:47 GMT -5 Keeper and bolo like this

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Sept 13, 2021 8:56:50 GMT -5 bolo said:

Sept 13, 2021 8:45:25 GMT -5 slickdaddy96 said:

Yes you brought back my memory on this, I seem to remember this happening, but I believe what they did was just raise the age of the rule. I still think U15 or U16 and above still had that rule. They just removed it for the lower aged teams, which I am in favor of. I think there should be more substitutions at the younger age groups.

Got it, that makes sense. I personally hate limited sub rules in youth soccer. I know "real soccer" limits subs, and that's great and all, but this is youth soccer that parents are paying a lot of money for their kids to play- with PLAY being the operative word here. I don't like putting limits on who can get on the field and for how long. I know, unlimited subbing takes some of the strategy out of it, and rewards the teams that are better conditioned overall, but I also don't like the idea of players that are completely gassed at the end of a very hot, 80 or 90-minute game having to stay out there when you've got fresher legs on the bench who could take their place. Or "saving players" for the end of a half in case you have an injury or someone just can't continue. Again, this is youth soccer, not the World Cup or Premier League- let the kids PLAY.

And now I'll prepare for the incoming onslaught letting me know I'm not a "real soccer fan"! Oh well, sue me for having an opinion!

It doesn't blow my skirt up either way to be honest. Like I said most teams I have seen say U16 and above kind of operate with limited substitutions to begin with. I mean most teams have maybe 16 max. So they put their 5 subs on right around midway or a little later in the 1st half and the other people don't come back on till they start generally in the 2nd half.

Maybe I don't have an issue with it as much because of my kid never plays really in a position (mid or forward) where he would be gassed and not be able to stay on the whole game. I guess if my kid wasn't getting enough playing time I would have more issues with the rule.

atlfutboldad All World Posts: 2,641	SCCL Club - Sub Rules Sept 13, 2021 11:11:48 GMT -5 Quote Select Post Deselect Post Link to Post Member Give Gift Back to Top Post by atlfutboldad on Sept 13, 2021 11:11:48 GMT -5 The once-per-half rule only applied from U15+ in SCCL. In Premier West 2 years ago at U14 it was unlimited subs, but in club last year at U15 the once-per-half rule was in effect.

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Sept 12, 2021 16:28:53 GMT -5 mightydawg said:

Changing that rule just shows that SCCL is a lower level of soccer. Part of soccer development is learning to manage the game. Unlimited subs does not allow that to happen. Instead it is full go all the time.

the irony of NCAA soccer rules is thick.

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SCCL Club - Sub Rules Sept 13, 2021 12:44:55 GMT -5

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Post by soccerloafer on Sept 13, 2021 12:44:55 GMT -5

With the explosion of alphabet leagues the past few years, most referees are not up to speed on rule differences between leagues, and certainly not notified of last minute changes. When assigned a game, may not know the league / level. Possible to work multiple leagues in an average weekend.

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SCCL Club - Sub Rules Sept 13, 2021 13:10:50 GMT -5 via mobile

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Sept 12, 2021 16:28:53 GMT -5 mightydawg said:

Changing that rule just shows that SCCL is a lower level of soccer. Part of soccer development is learning to manage the game. Unlimited subs does not allow that to happen. Instead it is full go all the time.

the irony of NCAA soccer rules is thick.

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Sept 13, 2021 13:10:50 GMT -5 rifle said:

Sept 12, 2021 16:28:53 GMT -5 mightydawg said:

Changing that rule just shows that SCCL is a lower level of soccer. Part of soccer development is learning to manage the game. Unlimited subs does not allow that to happen. Instead it is full go all the time.

the irony of NCAA soccer rules is thick.

And that is the criticism of NCAA soccer. It is more track meet than soccer game.

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Sept 13, 2021 13:41:11 GMT -5 mightydawg said:

Sept 13, 2021 13:10:50 GMT -5 rifle said:

the irony of NCAA soccer rules is thick.

And that is the criticism of NCAA soccer. It is more track meet than soccer game.

No doubt

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SCCL Club - Sub Rules Sept 13, 2021 14:09:34 GMT -5 via mobile

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Sept 13, 2021 13:52:14 GMT -5 rifle said:

Sept 13, 2021 13:41:11 GMT -5 mightydawg said:

And that is the criticism of NCAA soccer. It is more track meet than soccer game.

No doubt

Just curious what sub rules you think is appropriate for NCAA? I do find it interesting that ECNL, GA, other league's rules are stricter than college.
I will say that I don't think that colleges should have no re-entry at all. I think the pro rules will make it a very unpleasant season for most college players.

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Sept 13, 2021 14:09:34 GMT -5 oraclesfriend said:

Sept 13, 2021 13:52:14 GMT -5 rifle said:

No doubt

Just curious what sub rules you think is appropriate for NCAA? I do find it interesting that ECNL, GA, other league's rules are stricter than college.
I will say that I don't think that colleges should have no re-entry at all. I think the pro rules will make it a very unpleasant season for most college players.

I think college soccer ought to resemble the pro game. A greater number of subs wouldn’t be the worst thing but Definitely no re entry to the game after you’ve been subbed. It makes it a completely different game if you can come off and rest and re enter.

Fine for kids but not aspiring pros.

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SCCL Club - Sub Rules Sept 13, 2021 14:58:41 GMT -5

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Post by nole95 on Sept 13, 2021 14:58:41 GMT -5

I decided to fill out the contact form on the SCCL website to ask about the SCCL Club rule for the older age groups.

I guess the contact page still goes to Nancy, who is no longer with SCCL. However, she did tell me that the board did indeed change to Club rule to allow for unlimited subs but failed to notify the clubs. She did give me another name to contact within SCCL, so I have emailed them to get a confirmation.

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Sept 13, 2021 14:38:48 GMT -5 rifle said:

Sept 13, 2021 14:09:34 GMT -5 oraclesfriend said:

Just curious what sub rules you think is appropriate for NCAA? I do find it interesting that ECNL, GA, other league's rules are stricter than college.
I will say that I don't think that colleges should have no re-entry at all. I think the pro rules will make it a very unpleasant season for most college players.

I think college soccer ought to resemble the pro game. A greater number of subs wouldn’t be the worst thing but Definitely no re entry to the game after you’ve been subbed. It makes it a completely different game if you can come off and rest and re enter.

Fine for kids but not aspiring pros.

Yeah-there is definitely a debate here. Should college be the training ground for soccer pros or is USL/MLS academy better? For D1/D2 I could see them becoming more like pro…I think before COViD I saw where the top programs were going to a 10 month season? Anyway, for D3/NAIA/JUCO keep the subs and let as many play as possible…they are not going pro.

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Post by atlfutboldad on Sept 13, 2021 15:23:37 GMT -5

There is no debate.

College soccer is not at all like college football. College football has ~120 D1 programs feeding 32 pro teams. There's no other real training ground for pro football players.

D1/D2 college soccer is not a factory for the pros, its probably 4th choice for pro clubs behind academies, USL/lower leagues and foreign markets. College soccer is the end of the line for 99% of players getting ready to do something else with their lives. Let them all play.

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nole95 Academy Posts: 144	SCCL Club - Sub Rules Sept 13, 2021 15:34:46 GMT -5 via mobile bolo likes this Quote Select Post Deselect Post Link to Post Member Give Gift Back to Top Post by nole95 on Sept 13, 2021 15:34:46 GMT -5 Just received official confirmation from SCCL that subs are unlimited for all age groups and all levels. I was told that a reminder would be sent out in a weekly email tomorrow.

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Sept 13, 2021 15:23:37 GMT -5 atlfutboldad said:

There is no debate.

I disagree:
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Marquis White, New England Revolution
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Clint Mathis, Real Salt Lake
Josh Wolff, Kansas City Wizards
University of South Florida:

Jeff Cunnignham, FC Dallas
University of Virginia:

Chris Albright, New England Revolution
Adam Cristman, New England Revolution
Alecko Eskandarian, CD Chivas USA
Hunter Freeman, New York Red Bulls
Ben Olsen, DC United
Claudio Reyna, New York Red Bulls
Brad Agoos, DC United
John Harkes, DC United
A.J. Wood, New York Metro Stars
Richie Williams, D.C. United
Claudio Reyna, New York Red Bulls
Curt Onalfo, LA Galaxy
Kris Kelderman, D.C. United
Clint Peay, D.C. United
University of Washington:

Ryan Herman, FC Dallas
Ely Allen, LA Galaxy
Brandon Prideaux, Chicago Fire
Ian Russel, San Jose Earthquakes, LA Galaxy
Craig Waibel, San Jose Earthquakes, Houston Dynamo
Ty Harden, LA Galaxy
Christian Roldan, Seattle Sounders
Dusty Hudock, Colorado Rapids
Mike Chabala, Houston Dynamo
Cristian Roldan, Seattle Sounders
Handwalla Bwana, Seattle Sounders
Villanova University:

Jim Curtin, CD Chivas USA
Wake Forest University:

Jon Bakero, Chicago Fire
Ema Twumasi, FC Dallas
Brian Carroll, Columbus Crew
Brian Edwards, Toronto FC
Will Hesmer, Columbus Crew
Sam Cronin, San Jose, Colorado Rapids
Jack Harrison, New York City FC
Pat Phelan, New England Revolution
West Texas A&M:

Davy Arnaud, Kansas City Wizards
West Virginia University:

Pat Carroll, DC United
William & Mary:

Wade Barret, Houston Dynamo
Winthrop University:

John Gilkerson, New York Red Bulls

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