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Post by soccernoleuk on May 16, 2022 15:04:25 GMT -5
Personally I don't think there should be an allowance for a certain number of players. The bottom line is a HS coach (employee or community coach) should not be allowed to coach a player outside the dates GHSA specifies. To me this means coaching at club or even private sessions. This shouldn't matter by sport either.
I still don't understand how the school didn't know about this. I would think all coaches are made fully aware of the rule prior to accepting a coaching position at a school. A good AD should even remind all coaches every year to make sure this doesn't happen.
I'm still scratching my head as to why the girls are being punished though as opposed to the coach being suspended for a year.
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Post by georgiasoccerdad on May 19, 2022 11:42:28 GMT -5
Agree. If the girls moved from out of district then yes they do have to sit out a year. Even I know that rule. However if this was the case I assume this would have been included in the original article and also would have been caught well before the conclusion of the championship game. That definitely is flagrant cheating. Thus far this appears to only be the adults in the room letting down the kids. Those girls don’t deserve this and neither does the team. The adults should face consequences, and not the girls who actually earned that championship on the field. From what I was told all 3 girls were already at Chamblee prior to this year. Two were seniors, the other is an underclassmen. Only one of the three played any significant minutes. The only reason they even played club for the coach in question is that they had either decided to stop playing club or had been cut from their prior team (can't remember exactly), and this coach knew them and invited them to play for him, just starting this club season. So it's not like he recruited them to Chamblee or he was trying to assemble a super-team or anything. Again, two of the girls in question barely played for Chamblee at all. Some of the girls/parents on Midtown knew this coach from club and knew a few girls from Chamblee were on his club team, so after they got hammered by Chamblee in the final they (Midtown coaches, I guess?) filed a complaint. Not that they get to be awarded the state title instead or anything- it gets vacated. I guess they just decided to get a little vindictive and strip Chamblee of the title. You can argue that Chamblee deserves it for not complying with every single little bylaw in the rulebook, but IMO this situation certainly wasn't violating what the rule was actually intended to prevent/punish. I'm somewhat close to the situation and to say it stinks is an understatement. GHSA needs to take a long look in the mirror before moving forward on this one. Couple of things I would add- -The girls have been in the Chamblee system for quite a while- not just a year or two, but I believe k-12. I also understand all girls involved are seniors so a ban doesn't matter- but get lawyers warmed up in the bullpen if that's not the case. These girls have no say so in who coaches either their high school or club team. To punish them is wrong from the beginning and should never have been considered. Secondly- why deny a coach a potential source of income? What happens if the club can't field a team and they need to look at another option? At our club we have kids from a combination of probably ten public/private schools. Now those schools/clubs are off limits? What happens when a player has a family issue ie divorce, job loss and they have to switch schools. Does the coach then have to leave? Sounds like another lawsuit waiting to happen on that one. - It does matter who turned them in and the reasoning behind it. This is a small ecosystem of coaches around atl- the Midtown coach knew full well LAST YEAR about the situation but didn't make a stink until her team was spanked in the finals. So you can't be fine with a rule until it affects you and then run to the commish and cry your eyes out. At the very least she was complicit and didn't bring that to the boards attention which in my mind is just as bad. (if you're going to punish someone). Additionally, I would hope the school admin looks into this- what other issues is the coach not bringing forward? -GHSA better do an audit of all coaches in all sports. If they this is a oneoff situation they're in the wrong line of business. -The rule needs to be reviewed- The intent is to stop coaches/schools from building a powerhouse. Chamblee, the first Dekalb County public school to EVER win the State title is not a soccer powerhouse. This was a good group of girls with a coach who has been with them for years winning a title that had only been dreamed of previously. |
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Post by dabe on May 19, 2022 14:07:48 GMT -5
From what I was told all 3 girls were already at Chamblee prior to this year. Two were seniors, the other is an underclassmen. Only one of the three played any significant minutes. The only reason they even played club for the coach in question is that they had either decided to stop playing club or had been cut from their prior team (can't remember exactly), and this coach knew them and invited them to play for him, just starting this club season. So it's not like he recruited them to Chamblee or he was trying to assemble a super-team or anything. Again, two of the girls in question barely played for Chamblee at all. Some of the girls/parents on Midtown knew this coach from club and knew a few girls from Chamblee were on his club team, so after they got hammered by Chamblee in the final they (Midtown coaches, I guess?) filed a complaint. Not that they get to be awarded the state title instead or anything- it gets vacated. I guess they just decided to get a little vindictive and strip Chamblee of the title. You can argue that Chamblee deserves it for not complying with every single little bylaw in the rulebook, but IMO this situation certainly wasn't violating what the rule was actually intended to prevent/punish. I'm somewhat close to the situation and to say it stinks is an understatement. GHSA needs to take a long look in the mirror before moving forward on this one. Couple of things I would add- -The girls have been in the Chamblee system for quite a while- not just a year or two, but I believe k-12. I also understand all girls involved are seniors so a ban doesn't matter- but get lawyers warmed up in the bullpen if that's not the case. These girls have no say so in who coaches either their high school or club team. To punish them is wrong from the beginning and should never have been considered. Secondly- why deny a coach a potential source of income? What happens if the club can't field a team and they need to look at another option? At our club we have kids from a combination of probably ten public/private schools. Now those schools/clubs are off limits? What happens when a player has a family issue ie divorce, job loss and they have to switch schools. Does the coach then have to leave? Sounds like another lawsuit waiting to happen on that one. - It does matter who turned them in and the reasoning behind it. This is a small ecosystem of coaches around atl- the Midtown coach knew full well LAST YEAR about the situation but didn't make a stink until her team was spanked in the finals. So you can't be fine with a rule until it affects you and then run to the commish and cry your eyes out. At the very least she was complicit and didn't bring that to the boards attention which in my mind is just as bad. (if you're going to punish someone). Additionally, I would hope the school admin looks into this- what other issues is the coach not bringing forward? -GHSA better do an audit of all coaches in all sports. If they this is a oneoff situation they're in the wrong line of business. -The rule needs to be reviewed- The intent is to stop coaches/schools from building a powerhouse. Chamblee, the first Dekalb County public school to EVER win the State title is not a soccer powerhouse. This was a good group of girls with a coach who has been with them for years winning a title that had only been dreamed of previously. I realize now, I probably shouldn't have asked who turned them in. I was concerned that it was the Midtown coach. It's sad to hear that I was correct. All that does is teach her current players that breaking the rules is fine so long as you win. It's worrisome that she did not even acknowledge how this may affect their underclassmen who are looking to be recruited. Colleges do not like "cheaters" and her actions inadvertently labeled all those players as such. As parents we know that is not true, and most good coaches will too, but for the girls bordering on college recruitment this may be the one thing that pushes them out. We live in an age of just reading the headlines. GHSA is a joke. They know who the winners are supposed to be before they even set the brackets for playoffs. I can't be the only one that has noticed that schools like BT, SPX, and Marist (previous years) never play each other until finals. GHSA was eager to strip the title away from a public school, especially from Dekalb County. The county has a bad rep already and they didn't mind adding to that. The rule will never make sense to me. If there are going to be by-laws that prevent club coaches from coaching their own players, not to call anyone out, that rule should also be changed to include players coached by family members. |
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Post by rifle on May 20, 2022 5:40:14 GMT -5
While the logic of the rule may be messy the “compliance” solution is real simple. If you coach girls in club, don’t be a HS girls coach.
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Post by soccerspin on May 20, 2022 8:16:18 GMT -5
While the logic of the rule may be messy the “compliance” solution is real simple. If you coach girls in club, don’t be a HS girls coach. Completely agree. And will add, if you are coaching HS, then don’t coach HS aged kids in club. Only matters once they hit the HS years. |
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Post by mightydawg on May 20, 2022 8:22:36 GMT -5
While the logic of the rule may be messy the “compliance” solution is real simple. If you coach girls in club, don’t be a HS girls coach. Completely agree. And will add, if you are coaching HS, then don’t coach HS aged kids in club. Only matters once they hit the HS years. Most high school coaches who also coach club, coach opposite sexes. If coach girls in HS, coach boys at club. If coach boys in HS, coach girls at club. |
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Post by Soccerhouse on May 20, 2022 14:40:53 GMT -5
but at the end of the day -- they won. and they know they won on the field.
but rules are rules, wait until NIL hits high school sports in Georgia and some private school loads up with nike elite athletes and dominate the world.......(like the twins in California, who I don't care about actually at all)
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Post by newguy on May 20, 2022 15:27:52 GMT -5
but at the end of the day -- they won. and they know they won on the field. but rules are rules, wait until NIL hits high school sports in Georgia and some private school loads up with nike elite athletes and dominate the world.......(like the twins in California, who I don't care about actually at all) I think a “school” like IMG Academy is going to be the ones to watch as far as NIL in the near future. |
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Post by rossymi on Oct 28, 2022 3:01:27 GMT -5
I adore watching soccer and playing ping pong with, but I almost never understand or explain why something happened. I like watching it and learning from those who are smarter than me.
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