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Post by SoccerMom on Sept 23, 2014 11:09:34 GMT -5
I completely disagree with him! Im not excusing she hit her nephew and sister but he hit her first on the head with a broomstick, then his mom attacked her to defend her son, and Hope defended herself. And to answer someone question before about why the other two weren't arrested is because Hope refused to press charges, when she clearly had injuries as well. She also apologized from the get-go about the whole incident, while Ray Rice went happily along acting like what he did wasn't that bad until we all saw the video and oops! No one tried to hide the Hope solo incident, the NFL had the video and theres a recording of them thanking the police for the video, and tried to hide how bad it was. Had they done what they did when it happened, this would have blown over already. I feel they're trying to make excuses for their actions Everything I've read and heard is that Hope instigated the physical altercation, and according to USA Today that's why the police arrested her and not the sister and nephew (based on witness statements). I happened to be in Seattle when this happened and read about it in the local papers and saw it on their local news. The way you have made this sound, Hope was a complete victim. But, I don't think that's how it went down. Why would the prosecutors file charges if the nephew started it by hitting her with a broom? Why would the file if she was simply defending herself when her sister "attacked her to defend her son"? By saying Hope was hit first, you completely change the what was alleged to have happened. None of us knows Hope. None of us knows exactly what went on that night. She is an amazing soccer player. But, she has some significant issues she needs to sort through. The first on that list of issues is drinking too much and letting alcohol affect her judgement. www.usatoday.com/story/sports/soccer/2014/06/21/hope-solo-arrested-on-domestic-violence-probe/11207907/She started the whole thing by calling him names and he reacted...then she reacted, then the sister reacted. Shes not just a victim in all of this but neither are her sister and nephew. The prosecution will file based on the charges and what allegedly happened. They cant file anything against the nephew or sister if she wont press charges. Everything at this point is "allegedly" no proof of anything except of what the statements say. In Rice's incident there is video proof that he's an abuser and that him and the NFL tried to hide what really happened. Youre right I wasn't there that night, but my whole point from the beginning has been that the two incidents cannot be compared.
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Post by sidelinemama on Sept 23, 2014 11:23:02 GMT -5
Someone should mention that the Cumulative Concussions probably contribute to the anger management, poor judgement and lack of a filter for both Hope and Ray Rice. It doesn't excuse anything, but it is a great example of the seriousness of this problem in both sports.
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Post by SoccerMom on Sept 23, 2014 11:28:13 GMT -5
Someone should mention that the Cumulative Concussions probably contribute to the anger management, poor judgement and lack of a filter for both Hope and Ray Rice. It doesn't excuse anything, but it is a great example of the seriousness of this problem in both sports. and a "little" alcohol
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Post by lovethegame on Sept 23, 2014 11:45:44 GMT -5
Maybe it's my years working with prosecutors and public defenders as well as victims and perpetrators, but I tend to take the wait and see attitude, and if someone pleads guilty or is found guilty that's when we can be a bit more sure what happened (believe I know it's not always the case, but most of the time it is). The police arrested her, and the prosectutor filed charges. So, do they know something we and the media don't know?
If I had to guess, Hope will be offered a DV diversion program. If she takes it and does all that is required of her, after a period of time, the charges will be dismissed. This is what Rice was offered, and he is completing that division program. I don't know why diversion is offered to anyone accused of a DV felony, but it is. Hope was charged with misdemeanors. Her case seems more diversion worthy to me (and if it's found there is nothing there, the prosector or judge can dismiss it, but that hasn't happened yet).
Domestic Violence is being made a big deal these days, because it's a big deal. For years, it has been swept aside and victims were serioulsy injured or died. It's good to see it being treated seriously. All cases aren't the same, but, it's also hard to determine which lead to more serious incidents later on. That's why they are treating all of them with greater attention. They don't want to make light of something only to find out they shouldn't have.
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Post by lovethegame on Sept 23, 2014 11:58:09 GMT -5
Everything I've read and heard is that Hope instigated the physical altercation, and according to USA Today that's why the police arrested her and not the sister and nephew (based on witness statements). I happened to be in Seattle when this happened and read about it in the local papers and saw it on their local news. The way you have made this sound, Hope was a complete victim. But, I don't think that's how it went down. Why would the prosecutors file charges if the nephew started it by hitting her with a broom? Why would the file if she was simply defending herself when her sister "attacked her to defend her son"? By saying Hope was hit first, you completely change the what was alleged to have happened. None of us knows Hope. None of us knows exactly what went on that night. She is an amazing soccer player. But, she has some significant issues she needs to sort through. The first on that list of issues is drinking too much and letting alcohol affect her judgement. www.usatoday.com/story/sports/soccer/2014/06/21/hope-solo-arrested-on-domestic-violence-probe/11207907/She started the whole thing by calling him names and he reacted...then she reacted, then the sister reacted. Shes not just a victim in all of this but neither are her sister and nephew. The prosecution will file based on the charges and what allegedly happened. They cant file anything against the nephew or sister if she wont press charges. Everything at this point is "allegedly" no proof of anything except of what the statements say. In Rice's incident there is video proof that he's an abuser and that him and the NFL tried to hide what really happened. Youre right I wasn't there that night, but my whole point from the beginning has been that the two incidents cannot be compared. The police can arrest all parties if they choose. It wouldn't matter if Hope said she didn't want them arrested. If, based on the witness statements, they decided they needed to arrest the nephew and the sister, they would. The prosecutor can look at a case and decide it doesn't meet the elements of a crime or that they can't prove it. They don't always file charges simply because someone has been arrested. You are right. The two incidents can't be compared, and do you think for a minute that even if Hope is found guilty she will be banned for life? Because I don't. So, while the two aren't alike, that doesn't mean that, if found guilty, there aren't some type of measured consequence that would be appropriate. Again, I'm all about waiting to see what happens. If it's dismissed, then let's move on with no consequence. If she's found guilty or pleads guilty then some type of suspension would be appropriate. When it gets complicated is if she is offered and takes a diversion program. That's my opinion anyway.
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Post by SoccerMom on Sept 23, 2014 12:55:26 GMT -5
She started the whole thing by calling him names and he reacted...then she reacted, then the sister reacted. Shes not just a victim in all of this but neither are her sister and nephew. The prosecution will file based on the charges and what allegedly happened. They cant file anything against the nephew or sister if she wont press charges. Everything at this point is "allegedly" no proof of anything except of what the statements say. In Rice's incident there is video proof that he's an abuser and that him and the NFL tried to hide what really happened. Youre right I wasn't there that night, but my whole point from the beginning has been that the two incidents cannot be compared. The police can arrest all parties if they choose. It wouldn't matter if Hope said she didn't want them arrested. If, based on the witness statements, they decided they needed to arrest the nephew and the sister, they would. The prosecutor can look at a case and decide it doesn't meet the elements of a crime or that they can't prove it. They don't always file charges simply because someone has been arrested. You are right. The two incidents can't be compared, and do you think for a minute that even if Hope is found guilty she will be banned for life? Because I don't. So, while the two aren't alike, that doesn't mean that, if found guilty, there aren't some type of measured consequence that would be appropriate. Again, I'm all about waiting to see what happens. If it's dismissed, then let's move on with no consequence. If she's found guilty or pleads guilty then some type of suspension would be appropriate. When it gets complicated is if she is offered and takes a diversion program. That's my opinion anyway. to tell you the truth...Im not sure if she would be suspended or not if found guilty? She may be if the people press enough, but given the severity of it maybe not? I found this article about people comparing the two incidents...it written by someone who believes that Hope should be suspended but at the same time doesn't believe that the incidents can be compared and the more time we spend talking about Hope is less time we spend talking about the real issue. Its certainly a good point of view abcnews.go.com/Sports/kate-fagan-feel-bad-hope-solo-column/story?id=25688886
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Post by lovethegame on Sept 23, 2014 14:27:05 GMT -5
The police can arrest all parties if they choose. It wouldn't matter if Hope said she didn't want them arrested. If, based on the witness statements, they decided they needed to arrest the nephew and the sister, they would. The prosecutor can look at a case and decide it doesn't meet the elements of a crime or that they can't prove it. They don't always file charges simply because someone has been arrested. You are right. The two incidents can't be compared, and do you think for a minute that even if Hope is found guilty she will be banned for life? Because I don't. So, while the two aren't alike, that doesn't mean that, if found guilty, there aren't some type of measured consequence that would be appropriate. Again, I'm all about waiting to see what happens. If it's dismissed, then let's move on with no consequence. If she's found guilty or pleads guilty then some type of suspension would be appropriate. When it gets complicated is if she is offered and takes a diversion program. That's my opinion anyway. to tell you the truth...Im not sure if she would be suspended or not if found guilty? She may be if the people press enough, but given the severity of it maybe not? I found this article about people comparing the two incidents...it written by someone who believes that Hope should be suspended but at the same time doesn't believe that the incidents can be compared and the more time we spend talking about Hope is less time we spend talking about the real issue. Its certainly a good point of view abcnews.go.com/Sports/kate-fagan-feel-bad-hope-solo-column/story?id=25688886Am I wrong or didn't you start this thread? The author also wrote an opinion piece. Now we're not supposed to talk about it because it deflects attention from the NFL? How about we recognize all things that could be considered domestic violence. I think people can determine for themselves what constitutes felony domestice violence (Rice) and misdemeanor domestice violence. The NFL is now dealing with what has been an issue for a long time. Maybe it hasn't been the same issue within soccer, but athletes behaving badly and getting away with it has been an issue across the board. Unlike the author, I don't think Hope should be suspended immediately. Adrian Peterson hasn't been suspended. or at least that's what I last read. Again these cases are much different, but if Adrian Peterson can continue to play while his felony child abuse case is resolved, then Hope should be able to continue to play while her case makes it through the sytstem.
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Post by SoccerMom on Sept 23, 2014 14:32:40 GMT -5
[/quote]Am I wrong or didn't you start this thread? The author also wrote an opinion piece. Now we're not supposed to talk about it because it deflects attention from the NFL? How about we recognize all things that could be considered domestic violence. I think people can determine for themselves what constitutes felony domestice violence (Rice) and misdemeanor domestice violence. The NFL is now dealing with what has been an issue for a long time. Maybe it hasn't been the same issue within soccer, but athletes behaving badly and getting away with it has been an issue across the board.
Unlike the author, I don't think Hope should be suspended immediately. Adrian Peterson hasn't been suspended. or at least that's what I last read. Again these cases are much different, but if Adrian Peterson can continue to play while his felony child abuse case is resolved, then Hope should be able to continue to play while her case makes it through the sytstem.
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I did start this thread...and that's the one writers opinion not mine. I think that the whole thing is being used as a deflection but I don't think talking about it makes the other case go away. I brought it up here because someone brought it up to me and wanted to know how I felt about it.
And no I don't think she should be suspended immediately either, I think we need to wait until all the facts come out before anything happens
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Post by stevieg on Sept 25, 2014 8:46:34 GMT -5
He most certainly has - though mostly due to public opinion. He's not going to play the whole rest of the season most likely while this plays out.
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Post by Soccerhouse on Sept 29, 2014 8:24:47 GMT -5
hope timeline
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Post by SoccerMom on Oct 1, 2014 8:41:09 GMT -5
so now we just wait....
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Post by Soccerhouse on Oct 6, 2014 11:33:07 GMT -5
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Post by Soccerhouse on Nov 4, 2014 19:40:45 GMT -5
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Post by SoccerMom on Jan 14, 2015 9:06:25 GMT -5
Maybe this deserved its own new thread.... Domestic violence charges against USA's Hope Solo dropped Domestic violence charges against United States women's national team goalkeeper Hope Solo have been dropped. Solo faced two counts of fourth-degree assault, which stemmed from an incident on June 21 when she allegedly attacked her half-sister and nephew at a party. Her attorney, Todd Maybrown, asked for a dismissal in December, claiming that the victims in the case have not allowed depositions that were granted the defense. Solo had pleaded not guilty. She claimed in court documents that she was defending herself against her 17-year-old nephew, who is 6-foot-9 and weighs 280 pounds. Solo and her nephew got into a fistfight after they argued about his acting aspirations and she called him fat and crazy, according to court documents. When the boy's mother tried to break up the confrontation, Solo punched her in the face first, the documents said. The documents said the nephew broke a broom over Solo's head and the teen pointed a broken BB gun at her and tried to get her to leave. Solo's relatives have claimed she attacked first. Solo's husband, Jerramy Stevens, was in attendance in the courtroom and refused to speak with reporters afterwards, but Maybrown said that the decision was a relief. "This has been a terrible ordeal for Miss Stevens (Solo) but we're grateful the court has dismissed the charges. If the case had been reviewed carefully at the outset, no charges would have been filed," Maybrown told KING 5. After the decision, Solo took to Facebook to express relief and thank her teammates and fans for support. www.foxsports.com/soccer/story/united-states-hope-solo-has-charges-dropped-in-assault-case-domestic-violence-011315
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Post by spencer on Aug 28, 2016 6:39:42 GMT -5
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