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Post by SoccerMom on Oct 1, 2014 23:00:05 GMT -5
ok I think it was norcross ufa team at the tourney....we are cf north team Yes....theyre pretty good :-) I believe we played you guys first game of the season...tied 5-5, I wasnt there but heard it was a great game |
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Post by special1 on Oct 2, 2014 13:18:33 GMT -5
ok I think it was norcross ufa team at the tourney....we are cf north team Yes....theyre pretty good :-) I believe we played you guys first game of the season...tied 5-5, I wasnt there but heard it was a great game I remember that game, it was pretty good. A team, like your U9, norcross U9, CF North U9, CF central U9, SSA U9, Alianza U9, Nasa U9, and a couple of others could be on a table structure. I still don't get what is wrong with that. IMO, it will help them all as it will push coaches and teams to improve. and as someone said on another thread, saying winning doesn't equal development doesn't make sense as such. IMO the norcross team that won the nasa tournament won all their games and you could see that the players are developing in the right direction. |
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Post by larasoccer on Nov 3, 2014 14:49:27 GMT -5
My son plays at UFA top U9 team, so our boys have played each other :-) Alianza i cant say very good things about them. They are a great team, we have not played them and we were scheduled to but for some reason its been removed. I have dealt with them as a venue manager and the parents attitude is terrible, they insult refs, players and other parents, we have to always stay close when they play at our tournaments. I have had to kick all the parents to the parking lot before. I personally couldnt imagine being around that all the time. Theres also rumors about them cheating with their rosters..they have a bad reputation. Theyre very talented, mostly hispanic club, I believe only boys. You've indicated "Alianza I can't say very good things about them". I was there at the tournament where you said you had to kick parents out into the parking lot. How about explaining everything that happened before hand? It was Alianza team playing Dalton. Before the game even started there were going to be issues. The Dalton team had about 5 to 6 parents over at the players bench with one parent standing around beside their goalie post playing bodyguard. An Alianza parent went to inquire about all these additional people all over the place and things got way out of hand once the the Dalton parents where told only the coach and assistant coach were allowed to be at players bench. I left when everyone got kicked off the field. It's kids playing soccer academy soccer. But there are plenty of good things to say about Alianza. It's one of the smallest clubs in Georgia with under 200 kids but consistently can go head to head with the larger clubs like Concorde and United. I think everyone would agree that going against Alianza is not one of the games that's considered a sure win. Allegations of cheating on roasters is soo played out... My son plays u-14 division 2. The only classic Alianza team not in 1st division. We aren't as strong because most out kids had never played prior to 2012 but they've worked extremely hard and you have to give them kudos for that. |
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Post by SoccerMom on Nov 3, 2014 14:55:51 GMT -5
My son plays at UFA top U9 team, so our boys have played each other :-) Alianza i cant say very good things about them. They are a great team, we have not played them and we were scheduled to but for some reason its been removed. I have dealt with them as a venue manager and the parents attitude is terrible, they insult refs, players and other parents, we have to always stay close when they play at our tournaments. I have had to kick all the parents to the parking lot before. I personally couldnt imagine being around that all the time. Theres also rumors about them cheating with their rosters..they have a bad reputation. Theyre very talented, mostly hispanic club, I believe only boys. You've indicated "Alianza I can't say very good things about them". I was there at the tournament where you said you had to kick parents out into the parking lot. How about explaining everything that happened before hand? It was Alianza team playing Dalton. Before the game even started there were going to be issues. The Dalton team had about 5 to 6 parents over at the players bench with one parent standing around beside their goalie post playing bodyguard. An Alianza parent went to inquire about all these additional people all over the place and things got way out of hand once the the Dalton parents where told only the coach and assistant coach were allowed to be at players bench. I left when everyone got kicked off the field. It's kids playing soccer academy soccer. But there are plenty of good things to say about Alianza. It's one of the smallest clubs in Georgia with under 200 kids but consistently can go head to head with the larger clubs like Concorde and United. I think everyone would agree that going against Alianza is not one of the games that's considered a sure win. Allegations of cheating on roasters is soo played out... My son plays u-14 division 2. The only classic Alianza team not in 1st division. We aren't as strong because most out kids had never played prior to 2012 but they've worked extremely hard and you have to give them kudos for that. competition wise Alianza is a good team. I can only tell you from my experience with that particular tournament. Parents from both teams had to be kicked out, mainly for abusing the refs. While in the parking lot, parents continued yelling things onto the field and we had to place coaches there to control it, was it Dalton or Alianza? who knows all I know is that BOTH parents sidelines that day were terrible. |
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Post by special1 on Nov 4, 2014 17:39:03 GMT -5
But there are plenty of good things to say about Alianza. It's one of the smallest clubs in Georgia with under 200 kids but consistently can go head to head with the larger clubs like Concorde and United. I think everyone would agree that going against Alianza is not one of the games that's considered a sure win. Allegations of cheating on roasters is soo played out... My son plays u-14 division 2. The only classic Alianza team not in 1st division. We aren't as strong because most out kids had never played prior to 2012 but they've worked extremely hard and you have to give them kudos for that. Hi larasoccer, is Alianza Hispanic only club? |
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Post by rifle on Nov 4, 2014 20:27:20 GMT -5
I have seen gringos on Alianza teams. Not many, and they were good.
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Post by SoccerMom on Nov 5, 2014 8:50:25 GMT -5
Hi larasoccer, is Alianza Hispanic only club? Its mainly hispanic |
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Post by special1 on Nov 5, 2014 8:58:37 GMT -5
I have seen gringos on Alianza teams. Not many, and they were good. Thanks rifle....any Blacks/African Americans kids on the teams? |
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Post by special1 on Nov 5, 2014 9:07:58 GMT -5
I am just wondering whether they are like chivas? which is a Mexican only club I think.......larasoccer, One thing for sure is they need to improve their website. I don't know anything about the allegations of cheating on the roster. I know they are very physical and disciplined team at the u9/u10 teams I have seen
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Post by 4theloveofsoccer on Nov 5, 2014 10:09:32 GMT -5
We have played Alianza a couple times and their teams are strong, but what stood out was every player had excellent footwork. I can understand the assumptions that they have some players that are too old for the team. More than half of their players were a full head and shoulders taller than our kids.
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Post by rifle on Nov 5, 2014 18:43:39 GMT -5
Never saw anything but Hispanics and few shades of whitey. I expect they'd let anyone tryout and go from there.
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Post by allthingsoccer on Nov 11, 2014 12:06:29 GMT -5
Special1-
I agree about the points system. I lived in Europe and South America and they all have a standard league for younger age groups. It is still not about “winning” as they say here in the states but we all know that isn’t everyone agenda.
I’m not sure where this comes from as we are all about “winning”. Winning is everything here in the states. I understand that we don’t put the pressure on the kids to “win” at this young age but society does. It’s all around us. The Little League World Series is for 11-13. Do you think they care about “development” and not winning? Football- Is that not all about winning? Most middle schools offer it. Even youth basketball has a national ranking system. Shoot even my child’s class “wins” if they raise the most money. It seems that soccer here in the states is more focused on development and not the winning mentality it is for the other sports. Why is that?
I have never pushed my child that winning is everything. He has done that all on his own. As do most of the kids that are really competitive. Who came up with that it’s more about development and not winning? I’m just curious.
Btw.. Some clubs in Texas have already started to create leagues with rankings starting at U8, it’s just a matter of time before it will be the norm.
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As you move up in age it will get better. CF is not really a pooling type of club. They usually have one team, one coach and sometimes same coach for several years.
I have been in pooling before and I have mixed views. I like in pooling you have different coaches which have different techniques and the player can benefit. I also like that they player has to compete each week for the top team.
However… You might have a great wine but when you blend it together with another good wine you might not always get a great wine. So having multiple great coaches sometimes doesn’t mix well with development. Also, it’s stressful enough for players to want to be on the best team. Why put them through that stress every week. Most want to make the top team every week.
Yes, CF fields are not the best. This really goes for the North branch. I have heard they have made tons of offers with the city but nothing really solid. They are making effort but it is a slow process.
It’s just not CF that cancels practice. This goes for pretty much all clubs. Most clubs do not own the fields they lease/partnership with the county ran fields. So the county will cancel fields not the club.
If this happens I suggest that you figure something out as a back-up. Our team does two options… We do speed and agility indoors or we have an hr practice at an indoor location. Yes it costs extra but worth the extra touches.
Last year we had 4 tournaments cancel on us do to weather…urg!! It’s part of the game here in GA.
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Post by jash on Nov 11, 2014 13:14:06 GMT -5
We're all so caught up in the 'top team' that it can really be detrimental. Trust me, by U16 and up, many of the ones who were "super top team" players at U9-U12 have long since peaked and are much weaker players. Kids develop at different rates and so much of what we consider to be the "best player" is really just the "fastest to develop physically player".
Enjoy the young ages and welcome the mixing.
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Post by special1 on Nov 11, 2014 13:32:51 GMT -5
Special1- I agree about the points system. I lived in Europe and South America and they all have a standard league for younger age groups. It is still not about “winning” as they say here in the states but we all know that isn’t everyone agenda. I’m not sure where this comes from as we are all about “winning”. Winning is everything here in the states. I understand that we don’t put the pressure on the kids to “win” at this young age but society does. It’s all around us. The Little League World Series is for 11-13. Do you think they care about “development” and not winning? Football- Is that not all about winning? Most middle schools offer it. Even youth basketball has a national ranking system. Shoot even my child’s class “wins” if they raise the most money. It seems that soccer here in the states is more focused on development and not the winning mentality it is for the other sports. Why is that? I have never pushed my child that winning is everything. He has done that all on his own. As do most of the kids that are really competitive. Who came up with that it’s more about development and not winning? I’m just curious. Btw.. Some clubs in Texas have already started to create leagues with rankings starting at U8, it’s just a matter of time before it will be the norm. ___________________________________________________________________________________ As you move up in age it will get better. CF is not really a pooling type of club. They usually have one team, one coach and sometimes same coach for several years. I have been in pooling before and I have mixed views. I like in pooling you have different coaches which have different techniques and the player can benefit. I also like that they player has to compete each week for the top team. However… You might have a great wine but when you blend it together with another good wine you might not always get a great wine. So having multiple great coaches sometimes doesn’t mix well with development. Also, it’s stressful enough for players to want to be on the best team. Why put them through that stress every week. Most want to make the top team every week. Yes, CF fields are not the best. This really goes for the North branch. I have heard they have made tons of offers with the city but nothing really solid. They are making effort but it is a slow process. It’s just not CF that cancels practice. This goes for pretty much all clubs. Most clubs do not own the fields they lease/partnership with the county ran fields. So the county will cancel fields not the club. If this happens I suggest that you figure something out as a back-up. Our team does two options… We do speed and agility indoors or we have an hr practice at an indoor location. Yes it costs extra but worth the extra touches. Last year we had 4 tournaments cancel on us do to weather…urg!! It’s part of the game here in GA. Much appreciated response. What club are you? |
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Post by allthingsoccer on Nov 11, 2014 14:23:05 GMT -5
CF North Black.
I think we have the same Coach.
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Post by special1 on Nov 11, 2014 15:05:11 GMT -5
Wow, I have some questions. I hope you don't mind...check your msgs
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Post by special1 on Nov 12, 2014 0:03:59 GMT -5
We're all so caught up in the 'top team' that it can really be detrimental. Trust me, by U16 and up, many of the ones who were "super top team" players at U9-U12 have long since peaked and are much weaker players. Kids develop at different rates and so much of what we consider to be the "best player" is really just the "fastest to develop physically player". Enjoy the young ages and welcome the mixing. I don't think it's about getting super top team, It's more about getting as many super top teams in all levels even at the young age. Doing a little bit more to make things much better and less confusing, better fields and facilities should be something GA soccer takes on to really promote the sport, . ....It's not even about fastest to develop "physically"...because I would take a player with good vision understanding and skills than a big Silverback that can only shoot the ball. We really can't predict if a kid who is really good at age 8 or 9 and plays at a high level until he gets to 16, whether he might end up as the next Zidane or Messi or might have peaked. That's a mystery and a gamble. Maybe instead of getting an MLS team in Atlanta we could have improved the silverbacks facility or put some of that money towards improving some of the youth clubs. Overall it's going in the right direction as j4k said just a little slow. |
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Post by youthsoccerdad on Nov 12, 2014 12:36:19 GMT -5
We're all so caught up in the 'top team' that it can really be detrimental. Trust me, by U16 and up, many of the ones who were "super top team" players at U9-U12 have long since peaked and are much weaker players. Kids develop at different rates and so much of what we consider to be the "best player" is really just the "fastest to develop physically player". Enjoy the young ages and welcome the mixing. Yep, you nailed it. Some kids develop physically sooner, mentally sooner, some are born in August/September/October, some have families that play together on off days, others have a combination of many things. If you have read the book Outliers which is a good read in hockey these kids are broken out into a special group, given more training and better coaching and thus creating a self fulfilling prophecy. Those kids dominate the sport, my favorite quote is from the dad who is bragging about his son - his hard work - great skills - all of which was true the author said. The interesting part about his son was he was born on January 3rd, only two days away from the optimal birth date to being successful in Canadian hockey. Had his son been born five days earlier he probably would have been watching the championship match from the bleachers. While not perfect, the upside to a pooled academy system is the kids all get access to the same coaches and the same number of practices. There is still some of, the good kids play with the good kids but outside of three to four standouts most the kids on the 'second' team are the same level as the first. Even with that, kids can move around and get exposure to different teams. What I think is interesting in soccer in the US today is that in youth there is a unplanned bias toward Aug/Sep/Oct birth months at the U9/10/11/12/13 years but later when the kids are ready for DA it switches to a calendar year giving kids born in Jan/Feb/Mar an advantage. While no system is perfect my opinion at this point is the system today is about as fair as it can be, giving kids born in multiple months as reasonable an opportunity as possible based on a 12 month year. |
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Post by allthingsoccer on Nov 12, 2014 23:05:35 GMT -5
Totally agree that most kids that are "good" from U8-U12 might not be as good when older. Just as the kids that were "ok" are now good.
It happens all the time. From U9 to U12 the kids that have played together on a top team by U15/16 you might have two or three from that original team make it or even still play soccer. injury, burnt out, lack of progress, lack of commitment etc, etc, etc.....
Pool system is 50/50 for me. I like a lot of things about both. However, at DA level you have same head coach. Why wouldn't they have a pooling system at that level. Ok I'm thinking out-loud.... from U8-U14 you have a pooled system. No same coach but all different ones. So for 6 years you have how many coaches trying to implement his or her ideals. (Good/Bad). So would a fair guess be 10-15 different coaches over a 6 year stretch??
That to me seems like a really high number of coaches teaching my child. A higher percentage of bad habits being passed on. I don't want to sound harsh but I have experienced this first hand. 3 coaches trying to teach/ train bad habits. It didnt work out so well. I guess what I'm trying to say... it is what it is. Damned if you do damned if you don't. As long as your player is happy and enjoying themselves then its ok....right?...what if the team the player was on wasnt as good as a team that the player can make. Do you help direct that player down the more challenging path or the same "funner" path? When do you step in? Do you step in?
I do know you can not wait too long to get your player good training early. Yes, people always say it's about the touches. I agree 100% but it's also the quality of the touches you do. I have heard/seen horror stories that parents have been through to finally have found the right solution, only to wonder if it wasnt too late.
By U8 these players need to be learning technical. Getting as many "quality" touches as possible. 1v1, 2v2, 3v3, 4v4 sided games. Street ball style. Have some that are just street ball and others a more guided training.
Unfortunately for us parents it's very hard to "figure" out the best path for our player/s. We still have no clear cut path like the main 3 (Football, Baseball, and Basketball) do. It seems to be still wild, wild west. Florida soccer operates totally different from Georgia soccer...Why is that? Even the rules are different. No major but still different.
I guess the MLS Academy will make things better?
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Post by youthsoccerdad on Nov 13, 2014 11:04:57 GMT -5
I am interested in how the MLS academy shakes things up in ATL on the youth side.
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Post by Soccerhouse on Nov 13, 2014 11:12:20 GMT -5
Unfortunately for us parents it's very hard to "figure" out the best path for our player/s. We still have no clear cut path like the main 3 (Football, Baseball, and Basketball) do. It seems to be still wild, wild west. Florida soccer operates totally different from Georgia soccer...Why is that? Even the rules are different. No major but still different. @jfk can you comment on the differences between florida and ga soccer? |
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Post by allthingsoccer on Nov 14, 2014 8:32:10 GMT -5
We moved from Florida to Georgia a year or so ago. Why is it that from U8-U12 (academy) NO off sides??
Yeah crazy... No off-sides at all. It was real hard for my son to make the transition from no offside to the standard w/ off sides. It the strangest thing. We played at Disney and other high level tournaments and no off sides.
Does anyone know why?
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Post by Soccerhouse on Nov 14, 2014 8:41:38 GMT -5
We moved from Florida to Georgia a year or so ago. Why is it that from U8-U12 (academy) NO off sides?? Yeah crazy... No off-sides at all. It was real hard for my son to make the transition from no offside to the standard w/ off sides. It the strangest thing. We played at Disney and other high level tournaments and no off sides. Does anyone know why? wow! it makes sense at < u8, but not u9+! without offside you might as well be playing street ball. in my opinion the 3 most important rules of soccer: 1) no hands 2) keepers can only use their hands in the box 3) offside |
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Post by jash on Nov 14, 2014 8:58:55 GMT -5
wow! it makes sense at < u8, but not u9+! without offside you might as well be playing street ball. in my opinion the 3 most important rules of soccer: 1) no hands 2) keepers can only use their hands in the box 3) offside I'm going to go with "no spitting" |
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Post by SoccerMom on Nov 14, 2014 9:34:14 GMT -5
We moved from Florida to Georgia a year or so ago. Why is it that from U8-U12 (academy) NO off sides?? Yeah crazy... No off-sides at all. It was real hard for my son to make the transition from no offside to the standard w/ off sides. It the strangest thing. We played at Disney and other high level tournaments and no off sides. Does anyone know why? In FL they play with no offsides at that age? |
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Post by silverback on Nov 14, 2014 19:32:23 GMT -5
We still have no clear cut path like the main 3 (Football, Baseball, and Basketball) do. It seems to be still wild, wild west. Florida soccer operates totally different from Georgia soccer...Why is that? Even the rules are different. No major but still different. I feel like you had me at "hello", but then I read these sentences (quote above). I am not sure what you mean that the big 3 have a clear path. If fact, I would say they are behind soccer in terms of identification, standards, etc. , but I am interested in this discussion. Thoughts or maybe a different thread? Note - I do believe FL has a good soccer structure, but I am interested more in the the "big 3" ( football, baseball, basketball) |
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Post by larasoccer on Nov 15, 2014 21:59:33 GMT -5
I am just wondering whether they are like chivas? which is a Mexican only club I think.......larasoccer, One thing for sure is they need to improve their website. I don't know anything about the allegations of cheating on the roster. I know they are very physical and disciplined team at the u9/u10 teams I have seen Not all Hispanic anyone is welcome to try out. They've had players from all over. And yes website does need to be updated. I'll let Carlos know. |
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Post by special1 on Nov 16, 2014 6:12:42 GMT -5
larasoccer, thanks for your response. I would like to come check out what your practice sessions are like at some point. Please feel free to comment on anything else about the club for potential new players, pros and cons if you will. I created an Alianza thread a while ago, so you can comment there, here, or send me a msg. I have gotten a lot of very useful/ helpful tips and info on this forum. Props to everyone, and particularly our host soccerhouse...
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