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Post by offsidz on Apr 18, 2023 15:46:02 GMT -5
What expectations should we have for Concorde's ECNL ID clinic next month? I have a 2011 boy who is more likely ECRL material than ECNL. We really like his current club, but he aspires to be on an ECNL team, and they don't have ECNL teams.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 18, 2023 17:13:13 GMT -5
What expectations should we have for Concorde's ECNL ID clinic next month? I have a 2011 boy who is more likely ECRL material than ECNL. We really like his current club, but he aspires to be on an ECNL team, and they don't have ECNL teams. They will put kids on specific fields. Their current top U12 team that plays U13 will be on the top field. Their second team, the current top u12 team will be on the next field. There will be about 6-8 kids that are not from concord but seem like they already know everyone by first name. Those 6-8 kids will be really good. Your son will probably be on one of the bottom fields. You will be frustrated and will not think it is fair. You will leave wondering what you could have done differently.
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Post by NotherSoccerParent on Apr 18, 2023 17:47:06 GMT -5
It will be a lot like musical chairs. Hopefully your kids gets moved up each field. If he doesn't, he's probably not standing out. Doesn't mean that he's not a good player or doesn't deserve to be moved up, just that the right person didn't notice him. I personally think ID sessions are more important than tryouts so make sure he's ready.
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Post by soccer3819 on Apr 18, 2023 17:59:30 GMT -5
You say ID clinics are more important to tryouts. Should the parent then ask the coach after these tryouts what they think about them making the team or leave it up to the player to ask at the end of the clinic? How much should the parent get involved over the player themselves asking that question?
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Post by natlfutbol on Apr 18, 2023 18:42:50 GMT -5
We are on the same boat. never been to an ID clinic. We are planning on attending several ones. UFA, AFU and maybe NTH Milton. Dont know what to expect..
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Post by DunwoodySoccerDad on Apr 18, 2023 19:14:03 GMT -5
Expect little in terms of attention. One of my biggest complaints about Concorde’s ID camps is that the ratio of kids to coaches is way too high. Their coaches seem almost disinterested in a lot of what’s happening on the field. Not on purpose, just a byproduct of the sheer number of kids.
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Post by randomparent on Apr 18, 2023 20:32:50 GMT -5
We are on the same boat. never been to an ID clinic. We are planning on attending several ones. UFA, AFU and maybe NTH Milton. Dont know what to expect.. Pretend you are a boy named Billy. You ask a girl to go to prom, but she wants to meet you there for some reason. You buy her flowers, you practice dancing at home, you buy a great outfit, you even show up early. When she finally arrives she dances with everyone but you that night and her parents pick her up. She doesn't even say hi. If you can envision how Billy might feel in that scenario, then that is how you should expect to feel at the end of an ID session. All of you peanut brains keep asking the same question but you are not listening to the answers. You will feel like Billy. If you don't want to feel like Billy there are plenty of other posts outlining the charades and hoops you must go though to have a chance at a good ID session.
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Post by soccer3819 on Apr 18, 2023 20:55:07 GMT -5
We are on the same boat. never been to an ID clinic. We are planning on attending several ones. UFA, AFU and maybe NTH Milton. Dont know what to expect.. Pretend you are a boy named Billy. You ask a girl to go to prom, but she wants to meet you there for some reason. You buy her flowers, you practice dancing at home, you buy a great outfit, you even show up early. When she finally arrives she dances with everyone but you that night and her parents pick her up. She doesn't even say hi. If you can envision how Billy might feel in that scenario, then that is how you should expect to feel at the end of an ID session. All of you peanut brains keep asking the same question but you are not listening to the answers. You will feel like Billy. If you don't want to feel like Billy there are plenty of other posts outlining the charades and hoops you must go though to have a chance at a good ID session.
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Post by soccer3819 on Apr 18, 2023 20:59:33 GMT -5
WTAF. We are taking soccer too seriously if we are comparing billy not getting to dance with his dream girl that turned him down! Maybe the soccer world is taking themselves too seriously which is the reason why US soccer sucks on the world stage!
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Post by randomparent on Apr 18, 2023 21:03:22 GMT -5
WTAF. We are taking soccer too seriously if we are comparing billy not getting to dance with his dream girl that turned him down! Maybe the soccer world is taking themselves too seriously which is the reason why US soccer sucks on the world stage! GET IT RIGHT. IT WAS BILLIES DATE NOT HIS DREAM GIRL!!!!! I mean seriously, do you think a post about Billy and his fictional date to prom was a serious analogy? lol
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Post by newposter on Apr 18, 2023 22:36:07 GMT -5
The top clubs will attract the top players especially once they hit u13. Been there, done that and got the t-shirt. The coaches usually know the top players by name by this age. The players know as well. To be honest, unless a player just blows it out of the water, they likely won't have a chance. I know it sounds unfair but it is a reality. When our kid tried out at this level, coach pulled him over and offered spot in 5 minutes. It wasnt because of the tryout, it was because he already knew him and wanted him there.
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Post by jamsoccer on Apr 19, 2023 0:14:01 GMT -5
We are on the same boat. never been to an ID clinic. We are planning on attending several ones. UFA, AFU and maybe NTH Milton. Dont know what to expect.. ppl don’t like id camps but i’m neutral and we have been to a couple- they’re similar to tryouts lots of players & small sided games then usually full games. at the beginning of the camp they put players they already know or want closest to the head coaches- there are lots of other coaches walking around and will point ur daughter out to the head coach if they like her. i didn’t ever get involved in club politics or jump through hoops- if your daughter’s good she’ll be noticed. coaches want to win. the HC will invite u to come train after the id camp if they’re actually interested. if u don’t get a call email them to ask. last year we didn’t hear anything and the HC told us he tried to call multiple times but i had put the wrong phone # down
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Post by oraclesfriend on Apr 19, 2023 8:52:20 GMT -5
You say ID clinics are more important to tryouts. Should the parent then ask the coach after these tryouts what they think about them making the team or leave it up to the player to ask at the end of the clinic? How much should the parent get involved over the player themselves asking that question? IMO U15 and up need to talk to the coach by themselves at the end of the clinic to get an opinion on team placement. U12 and under the parent should ask. U13 and U14 it is up to you and your kid who asks. If a player wants ECNL 2 or ECRL I think it is important to make that clear from the start. Coaches want to win but they also are happy to bring new players into the club as being a good recruiter can help them in their status in the DOC’s eyes.
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Post by alphabetleague on Apr 19, 2023 16:11:37 GMT -5
What expectations should we have for Concorde's ECNL ID clinic next month? I have a 2011 boy who is more likely ECRL material than ECNL. We really like his current club, but he aspires to be on an ECNL team, and they don't have ECNL teams. They will put kids on specific fields. Their current top U12 team that plays U13 will be on the top field. Their second team, the current top u12 team will be on the next field. There will be about 6-8 kids that are not from concord but seem like they already know everyone by first name. Those 6-8 kids will be really good. Your son will probably be on one of the bottom fields. You will be frustrated and will not think it is fair. You will leave wondering what you could have done differently. Spot on. Only exception being if his kid is big compared to the others. If so, he’ll go straight to the top field at least for the first 20 min. Better make those minutes count! Edit to say- these are ID camps are really for the ECNL teams. Those kids will be on the top fields along w the friends they’ve brought and the big kids who just show up. Field 2 will be the ECRL kids and SCCL kids trying to move up. If you’re looking for ECRL, it’s not a bad thing to be on that field. Watch for the coaches that don’t leave that field and that’s who you need to speak to.
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Post by Brinker on May 3, 2023 18:47:49 GMT -5
Usually it’s 50+ kids trying to get one or maybe two open spots on a club’s ECNL team. Everyone else pushed to ECRL or SCCL.
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Post by NotherSoccerParent on May 3, 2023 19:21:33 GMT -5
You say ID clinics are more important to tryouts. Should the parent then ask the coach after these tryouts what they think about them making the team or leave it up to the player to ask at the end of the clinic? How much should the parent get involved over the player themselves asking that question? Your kid is young so I think it is perfectly appropriate to talk to the coach after the ID session. If you think he matches up well with the ECNL kids, then ask if yours can go to one of their practice sessions. The worst they can do is say no. If that happens, you probably don't want that coach anyway. With that said, if your kid is going to be U13 next year, the coach for ECNL Platinum is very nice and approachable. I can't see him saying no.
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Post by NotherSoccerParent on May 3, 2023 19:24:40 GMT -5
We are on the same boat. never been to an ID clinic. We are planning on attending several ones. UFA, AFU and maybe NTH Milton. Dont know what to expect.. The top team will be on the "top field" and will be used as the measuring stick. If your kid can challenge them, he/she has a chance.
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Post by soccerdad16 on May 4, 2023 8:43:59 GMT -5
We are on the same boat. never been to an ID clinic. We are planning on attending several ones. UFA, AFU and maybe NTH Milton. Dont know what to expect.. FYI on NTH Milton. They do not have their own ECNL team. They combine their locations into one ECNL and one ECNL R team out of the marietta location. If your child is a 2011 Boy they have around 40 kids from there top 3 teams that will be cut down to 1 ECNL and 1 ECNL R team.
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Post by diamondmid on May 4, 2023 9:02:50 GMT -5
We are on the same boat. never been to an ID clinic. We are planning on attending several ones. UFA, AFU and maybe NTH Milton. Dont know what to expect.. The top team will be on the "top field" and will be used as the measuring stick. If your kid can challenge them, he/she has a chance. If there’s a top field, you’re not making the team unless the coach already knows you and/or the existing players are recruiting you. And at some IDs, you’ll be lucky if the coaches even watch. If the club mixes everyone randomly and those mixed teams are all rotating to play against everyone, good sign. Especially if there’s a group of coaches actually watching. Those are true “IDs” and kids are being evaluated (even if some out there are already locks. Coaches are evaluating against guys they know and trust.)
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Post by DunwoodySoccerDad on May 4, 2023 10:00:04 GMT -5
The top team will be on the "top field" and will be used as the measuring stick. If your kid can challenge them, he/she has a chance. If there’s a top field, you’re not making the team unless the coach already knows you and/or the existing players are recruiting you. And at some IDs, you’ll be lucky if the coaches even watch. If the club mixes everyone randomly and those mixed teams are all rotating to play against everyone, good sign. Especially if there’s a group of coaches actually watching. Those are true “IDs” and kids are being evaluated (even if some out there are already locks. Coaches are evaluating against guys they know and trust.) The latter scenario is how AFU handles it.
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Post by corditedad on May 5, 2023 13:22:40 GMT -5
The top team will be on the "top field" and will be used as the measuring stick. If your kid can challenge them, he/she has a chance.This is Concorde. ECNL tryouts are purely for show and to find the potential diamond in the rough. I suspect that Concorde only runs the ECNL clinics to identify talent for their SCCL program that wouldn't likely show up to those tryouts. Coaches are generally checked out on day two, so if your kid isn't playing on the top field day-1 stop wasting your time and move on to another ID clinic (if ECNL is your goal).
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Post by randomparent on May 6, 2023 18:33:52 GMT -5
We are on the same boat. never been to an ID clinic. We are planning on attending several ones. UFA, AFU and maybe NTH Milton. Dont know what to expect.. FYI on NTH Milton. They do not have their own ECNL team. They combine their locations into one ECNL and one ECNL R team out of the marietta location. If your child is a 2011 Boy they have around 40 kids from there top 3 teams that will be cut down to 1 ECNL and 1 ECNL R team. That is a pretty good description, but I would bump up the number of legit kids trying out for these two teams to about 70. 40 from their top team at Milton/Smyrna/Marietta + the second team at Marietta which would be most ATL clubs top teams + about 15 top kids from other clubs that will be out there. The one nice thing going into next year if you want to move to NASA is the current Marietta/Smyrna coach is not following the team to my understanding.
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Post by messindreams on May 6, 2023 18:55:36 GMT -5
The top team will be on the "top field" and will be used as the measuring stick. If your kid can challenge them, he/she has a chance.This is Concorde. ECNL tryouts are purely for show and to find the potential diamond in the rough. I suspect that Concorde only runs the ECNL clinics to identify talent for their SCCL program that wouldn't likely show up to those tryouts. Coaches are generally checked out on day two, so if your kid isn't playing on the top field day-1 stop wasting your time and move on to another ID clinic (if ECNL is your goal). Agree. If you are not already practicing with the team then your chances are slim. Attending ID camp might get you an invite to a practice or two but keep your options open. Concorde is all about recruitment at older age groups both on boys and girls side. Edit: All clubs recruit but Concorde beats others IMHO.
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Post by mamadona on May 6, 2023 19:04:27 GMT -5
FYI on NTH Milton. They do not have their own ECNL team. They combine their locations into one ECNL and one ECNL R team out of the marietta location. If your child is a 2011 Boy they have around 40 kids from there top 3 teams that will be cut down to 1 ECNL and 1 ECNL R team. That is a pretty good description, but I would bump up the number of legit kids trying out for these two teams to about 70. 40 from their top team at Milton/Smyrna/Marietta + the second team at Marietta which would be most ATL clubs top teams + about 15 top kids from other clubs that will be out there. The one nice thing going into next year if you want to move to NASA is the current Marietta/Smyrna coach is not following the team to my understanding. So if it’s so hard to make a top team there, I guess some players look elsewhere instead of settling for the third or fourth team? I imagine it’s similar on the girls side.
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Post by messindreams on May 6, 2023 19:29:17 GMT -5
That is a pretty good description, but I would bump up the number of legit kids trying out for these two teams to about 70. 40 from their top team at Milton/Smyrna/Marietta + the second team at Marietta which would be most ATL clubs top teams + about 15 top kids from other clubs that will be out there. The one nice thing going into next year if you want to move to NASA is the current Marietta/Smyrna coach is not following the team to my understanding. So if it’s so hard to make a top team there, I guess some players look elsewhere instead of settling for the third or fourth team? I imagine it’s similar on the girls side. True. It is extremely hard to crack their boys ECNL or Girls GA Gold teams. Kids stay put on their second teams for the most part unless they are replaced, there could be few exceptions. Kids on third or lower teams tryout at other places. That said, if college recruitment is what you are looking for then you get good exposure through ECNL, MLS and GA. I see talented kids signing with same or similar colleges from any of the ATL clubs. Scholarships are far and few, if any $$ is available. I digress but back to the topic, anyone who attended Concorde girls ID camp today can shed some light on their experience.
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Post by totalfootball1 on May 7, 2023 22:36:56 GMT -5
FYI on NTH Milton. They do not have their own ECNL team. They combine their locations into one ECNL and one ECNL R team out of the marietta location. If your child is a 2011 Boy they have around 40 kids from there top 3 teams that will be cut down to 1 ECNL and 1 ECNL R team. That is a pretty good description, but I would bump up the number of legit kids trying out for these two teams to about 70. 40 from their top team at Milton/Smyrna/Marietta + the second team at Marietta which would be most ATL clubs top teams + about 15 top kids from other clubs that will be out there. The one nice thing going into next year if you want to move to NASA is the current Marietta/Smyrna coach is not following the team to my understanding. I heard he is following the age group into the ECNL/ ECLR group. But you’re right, they got a lot of talented kids from their three top teams trying to make it one of the two teams. But, If you think you’re good why not? Don’t think a coach would turn down a good player that will make him look like a good coach.
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Post by randomparent on May 8, 2023 3:40:30 GMT -5
That is a pretty good description, but I would bump up the number of legit kids trying out for these two teams to about 70. 40 from their top team at Milton/Smyrna/Marietta + the second team at Marietta which would be most ATL clubs top teams + about 15 top kids from other clubs that will be out there. The one nice thing going into next year if you want to move to NASA is the current Marietta/Smyrna coach is not following the team to my understanding. So if it’s so hard to make a top team there, I guess some players look elsewhere instead of settling for the third or fourth team? I imagine it’s similar on the girls side. Correct, at this age though you still have a contingent of boys that went to junior academy/academy and have shown a lot of loyalty to the club. For 70% of them, this is probably their first kid going through this experience. Many of them do not yet realize that they should not put all their eggs in one basket, and should be exploring other clubs if they are going to be unhappy not making NL/RL. A bunch of them will fill burned by the club in a couple of months. What they will realize is the club generally doesn't care. Teams are run by coaches not clubs. But it is also not all on the club, many parents are unrealistic about what their goals are and are chasing to be on the top team. The question is always why? Why do they care so much. There are so very little meaningful scholarships for boys. If you son gets a scholarship they will most likely drop it before they graduate. They will most likely not turn pro. Why, why, why? At most high schools, if your kid plays SCCL they will be a starter. If your worried, throw in some private training and they might make varsity their sophomore year. These are kids, soccer should be fun.
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Post by randomparent on May 8, 2023 3:52:15 GMT -5
That is a pretty good description, but I would bump up the number of legit kids trying out for these two teams to about 70. 40 from their top team at Milton/Smyrna/Marietta + the second team at Marietta which would be most ATL clubs top teams + about 15 top kids from other clubs that will be out there. The one nice thing going into next year if you want to move to NASA is the current Marietta/Smyrna coach is not following the team to my understanding. I heard he is following the age group into the ECNL/ ECLR group. But you’re right, they got a lot of talented kids from their three top teams trying to make it one of the two teams. But, If you think you’re good why not? Don’t think a coach would turn down a good player that will make him look like a good coach. You are probably correct then about him continuing with the team. Coaches turn down good players all the time. Most players on top teams are good, very few are special. The bottom half of an ECNL team is no different than the top half of an ECRL team. The stress, pressure, jockeying, etc. come form the kids that are in that range. The bubble players. Anyways, I hope the club does a good job with this age group. Most other clubs already have their top teams defined heading into U13. This is a huge pool of players and most of them have no idea where they will land.
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Post by atlnoleg on May 8, 2023 6:38:04 GMT -5
If anyone is interested, we did both AFU (5/2) and UFA (5/7) ECNL ID camps. 2010 Boys, so U-14 next year.
AFU had about 30 kids, maybe 35. Not sure how many of their ECNL team was there, 8-10 probably. More than half the group was other AFU kids (I think, lots of AFU training jerseys). No small-sided games at all, just some passing drills and then they divided into two huge teams and scrimmaged on 9v9 sized field with what seemed like more than 11 players on each side. It was a cluster.
UFA had closer to 50 kids I'd say. They divided kids into smaller groups and had them rondo against each other, then small-sided games, then split them into two groups to play 9v9 on two separate fields. They had most of their ECNL team it seemed and then a handful of ECNL kids from other clubs on one field. The other field was everyone else. Even good players from that group who showed well were not mixed in at all with the ECNL side. They have a good ECNL team and probably aren't looking to drop or add, I would guess. Don't ask where the other ECNL kids came from, we recognized maybe one my kid thought he saw from AFU. None were from our club.
Would be curious if anyone has similar insights to how Concorde's ID went in the 2010B age group. I would imagine a lot of ECNL players who are worried about staying on their current team are looking at that Premiere team as a soft landing spot.
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Post by oraclesfriend on May 8, 2023 12:17:19 GMT -5
So if it’s so hard to make a top team there, I guess some players look elsewhere instead of settling for the third or fourth team? I imagine it’s similar on the girls side. True. It is extremely hard to crack their boys ECNL or Girls GA Gold teams. Kids stay put on their second teams for the most part unless they are replaced, there could be few exceptions. Kids on third or lower teams tryout at other places. That said, if college recruitment is what you are looking for then you get good exposure through ECNL, MLS and GA. I see talented kids signing with same or similar colleges from any of the ATL clubs. Scholarships are far and few, if any $$ is available. I digress but back to the topic, anyone who attended Concorde girls ID camp today can shed some light on their experience. Girls Concorde ID camp…which age group? For anyone who is interested, we did AFU (one night, they have 3) and Concorde and UFA. Both AFU and Concorde had the players spend some or all of their time scrimmaging each other without separating them into skill level. For Concorde they separated the kids for the last 30 minutes. AFU never separated them. UFA separated the kids for scrimmaging after about 40 minutes doing technical drills and a passing drill. This was solely based on preconceived notions or team level from last year. No one at Concorde or UFA was moved from one field to the next. We are known by coaches at all of these places due to one or both of my kids playing under a coach that was watching. We had no expectations of being evaluated for ECNL. We were there for ECRL and to see if we like the coaches and to see the level of the teams and to decide where to do the first night of tryouts. We have other plans to help us make that decision as well. We are not in a big hurry to play at the top level so it is more about the overall fit. As an aside, all clubs started them off differently. UFA with the technical drills. AFU was doing athleticism drills and Concorde went straight to small sides matches. Quite interesting.
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