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Post by randomparent on May 12, 2023 13:40:08 GMT -5
Every year your child should tryout for at least two clubs even if your not thinking of moving!! Facts |
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Post by soccer1320 on May 12, 2023 14:59:49 GMT -5
My question is-why do parents think that clubs should hold their child's spot if the player is looking elsewhere? No club owns a player, but no club should "hold a spot" for the player looking elsewhere. That doesn't work in the real world, why would it work in the soccer world? I do not see that as threatening. I see that as being responsible as a club. You are leaving, let the club look for a replacement.
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Post by crazzzy4soccer on May 12, 2023 15:24:56 GMT -5
This is one of the dumbest threads ever. This isn’t a UFA issue it’s a club soccer thing. EVERY club gets butt hurt if a player even thinks of looking at another club. There’s always this veiled threat of if you don’t committ right now your out.
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Post by oraclesfriend on May 12, 2023 19:16:30 GMT -5
My question is-why do parents think that clubs should hold their child's spot if the player is looking elsewhere? No club owns a player, but no club should "hold a spot" for the player looking elsewhere. That doesn't work in the real world, why would it work in the soccer world? I do not see that as threatening. I see that as being responsible as a club. You are leaving, let the club look for a replacement. So in the real world you tell your boss and coworkers when you are looking for a new job before you quit??? I do not know a lot of people who do that. So your boss is holding your spot while you look for other options in a sense. Taking this further, does your boss fire you if they find out that you are thinking of quitting? Not typically if you are a good employee. Many times they throw more money at you to keep you. In youth soccer the money flow is different, but your real world example does not hold water |
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Post by boss12 on May 12, 2023 22:01:42 GMT -5
My daughter played for UFA and experienced and was subjected to threats and intimidation tactics from her coach as well as other coaches at the club. She did participate in another practice (after May 1st) with another club but respectfully did it on her off day, so she wouldn’t miss her practice. Of course it was reported to her coach at UFA and when she returned to her team, not only was the coach awful to her but several of the parents and players were as well. The crazy part is that her own coach allowed players from other clubs to come and practice with her team and didn’t see anything wrong with it. We are no longer at UFA and never plan on returning, and sadly I am hearing this behavior by the coaches still continues and has gotten even worse than ever before. Why do the coaches at UFA feel the need to resort to these horrible tactics in order to keep players? Absolutely ridiculous and they should be ashamed of themselves.
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Post by rifle on May 13, 2023 7:31:31 GMT -5
My daughter played for UFA and experienced and was subjected to threats and intimidation tactics from her coach as well as other coaches at the club. She did participate in another practice (after May 1st) with another club but respectfully did it on her off day, so she wouldn’t miss her practice. Of course it was reported to her coach at UFA and when she returned to her team, not only was the coach awful to her but several of the parents and players were as well. The crazy part is that her own coach allowed players from other clubs to come and practice with her team and didn’t see anything wrong with it. We are no longer at UFA and never plan on returning, and sadly I am hearing this behavior by the coaches still continues and has gotten even worse than ever before. Why do the coaches at UFA feel the need to resort to these horrible tactics in order to keep players? Absolutely ridiculous and they should be ashamed of themselves. Thats nuts. IMO clubs are as loyal as your kid is good. If losing your kid will make the team worse, they love ya. Otherwise - the kids are interchangeable revenue generating chess* pieces. * Maybe checkers actually because a lot of these guys aren’t coaching because they’re geniuses. |
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Post by randomparent on May 13, 2023 8:54:04 GMT -5
My question is-why do parents think that clubs should hold their child's spot if the player is looking elsewhere? No club owns a player, but no club should "hold a spot" for the player looking elsewhere. That doesn't work in the real world, why would it work in the soccer world? I do not see that as threatening. I see that as being responsible as a club. You are leaving, let the club look for a replacement. It is really crazy right what these other parents are saying. Every year both my club and coach reach out and thank our family for our loyalty and tell them at least 60 days in advance to not worry about tryouts, that only players that have been with the club for three years could make our Elite Worlds and Universe League (EWUL) team. If people want to walk away from EWUL then so bit it, but your right. What do they expect. Our club is so loyal we got our kids tattooed up. It is a family, and families stay strong. |
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Post by Oceanready on May 14, 2023 20:11:00 GMT -5
We reached out to our coach prior to ID camps to ask point blank about our kid's status and he wouldn't say either way. If the coach can't commit to your kid, they have zero standing to complain if you look at other clubs. The madness we see this time of year is caused by one thing-a lack of communication. Around May 1st, ask your current coach where they see your son/daughter next season. They have seen them play ALL year, what is an ID clinic and three days of tryouts going to change? An honest coach will tell you the truth. Based on the answer or no answer, seek other options.*** Do your research on the potential coach and team (you really should be doing this all season). My rule of thumb is always have a potential coach on speed dial, even if you have no intention of ever switching. Reach out to the potential coach via a phone call, not text, not email, and not SM. If you are attending a potential team’s training or clinic, be aware that it will get back to your coach, but he/she should know why-see above.***. Never feel guilty about seeking better opportunities for your player. Do not “bad mouth” your coach to another coach. The soccer community is small, and coaches communicate with each other. Do not, I repeat, do not recruit other players with you. Focus on your child and your child only. Recruiting players from the current coach is a bad setup. Reminder-Most top players do not have to attend an ID clinic or tryout to get an offer from a potential club. That is why it is always important to keep your options open, because you don’t know everything behind the scenes. Remember this is not about feelings, this is about what is best for your child. You pay for a service and are entitled to keeping your options open. If your coach retaliates against you for doing that, then you must evaluate that environment. |
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Post by atlnoleg on May 15, 2023 8:03:45 GMT -5
We reached out to our coach prior to ID camps to ask point blank about our kid's status and he wouldn't say either way. If the coach can't commit to your kid, they have zero standing to complain if you look at other clubs. The madness we see this time of year is caused by one thing-a lack of communication. Around May 1st, ask your current coach where they see your son/daughter next season. They have seen them play ALL year, what is an ID clinic and three days of tryouts going to change? An honest coach will tell you the truth. Based on the answer or no answer, seek other options.*** Do your research on the potential coach and team (you really should be doing this all season). My rule of thumb is always have a potential coach on speed dial, even if you have no intention of ever switching. Reach out to the potential coach via a phone call, not text, not email, and not SM. If you are attending a potential team’s training or clinic, be aware that it will get back to your coach, but he/she should know why-see above.***. Never feel guilty about seeking better opportunities for your player. Do not “bad mouth” your coach to another coach. The soccer community is small, and coaches communicate with each other. Do not, I repeat, do not recruit other players with you. Focus on your child and your child only. Recruiting players from the current coach is a bad setup. Reminder-Most top players do not have to attend an ID clinic or tryout to get an offer from a potential club. That is why it is always important to keep your options open, because you don’t know everything behind the scenes. Remember this is not about feelings, this is about what is best for your child. You pay for a service and are entitled to keeping your options open. If your coach retaliates against you for doing that, then you must evaluate that environment. Very well stated. To follow up my original post, we did have the end of season evaluation after the initial inquiry I made. Unless I'm absolutely terrible at reading between the lines, I walked away with no better idea where we stand heading into next year. Other than attending two ID camps at two different clubs, I did not make any special outreach to a coach at either club. It really isn't my desire or my kid's desire to move clubs, it was just my way of trying to keep an option open should we find out first day of tryouts with current club. |
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Post by rotgg on May 15, 2023 8:24:28 GMT -5
The madness we see this time of year is caused by one thing-a lack of communication. Around May 1st, ask your current coach where they see your son/daughter next season. They have seen them play ALL year, what is an ID clinic and three days of tryouts going to change? An honest coach will tell you the truth. Based on the answer or no answer, seek other options.*** Do your research on the potential coach and team (you really should be doing this all season). My rule of thumb is always have a potential coach on speed dial, even if you have no intention of ever switching. Reach out to the potential coach via a phone call, not text, not email, and not SM. If you are attending a potential team’s training or clinic, be aware that it will get back to your coach, but he/she should know why-see above.***. Never feel guilty about seeking better opportunities for your player. Do not “bad mouth” your coach to another coach. The soccer community is small, and coaches communicate with each other. Do not, I repeat, do not recruit other players with you. Focus on your child and your child only. Recruiting players from the current coach is a bad setup. Reminder-Most top players do not have to attend an ID clinic or tryout to get an offer from a potential club. That is why it is always important to keep your options open, because you don’t know everything behind the scenes. Remember this is not about feelings, this is about what is best for your child. You pay for a service and are entitled to keeping your options open. If your coach retaliates against you for doing that, then you must evaluate that environment. This is very well stated and should probably be a thread started every year listed "Tryouts" and this be the first post |
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Post by rotgg on May 15, 2023 9:22:10 GMT -5
Every year your child should tryout for at least two clubs even if your not thinking of moving!! Sorry not Sorry, but I disagree. Like Bosses, Coaches have the most massive of egos. The moment you start looking elsewhere (and the snitches do what they do best) they are ready to write you off. Not something I would risk. Now, just like work, you should not wait till tryouts to know where you stand with the coach, team, club. If you are unsure, have a calm informational gathering meeting with the coach and be honest about wanting to stay or leave based on the feedback you get from your kid and the coach. I've said it before and I'll say it again, the parents have all the power. Some of us are just very reluctant to use it for fear of repercussions. Piggybacking off of this, the question you should be asking is why are you looking to leave? Is it to get on a higher level team? Is it to get on a winning team? Is it to play with friends? Is it to be trained and learn from a particular coach, etc.? I am a firm believer in doing your homework prior to arriving at a club. Now I realize that there are sometimes extenuating circumstances, but I say if you're playing in a top league and you're getting good playing time and you're developing and there are no abuses, stay put. The grass is not always greener and sometimes soccer echoes life. There will always be challenges to overcome... p.s. For the record, no one owns your kid, not even the pro-clubs 🤭 I can tell from your response that you either did not read or did not fully understand my simple statement.
1.If every child tries out for at least two clubs the power and ego is gone from the clubs, coaches and snitches. It would be the norm to do multiple tryouts. The "risk/fear" that you speak of would not even exist.
2. You should not need a private meeting with coaches or DOC to try and figure out where your player stands. This one is on the clubs for being so secretive.
3. Trying out and being in uncomfortable positions is a very big part of player development! Player development is what we should all be doing with our young soccer players not worrying about club or coach retaliation.
We have a choice! We can continue along this same pathway that we have been on for years in our youth system or we can change. You said it best we the parents have all the power but we must use it!
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Post by atlnoleg on May 15, 2023 9:55:19 GMT -5
Every year your child should tryout for at least two clubs even if your not thinking of moving!! Sorry not Sorry, but I disagree. Like Bosses, Coaches have the most massive of egos. The moment you start looking elsewhere (and the snitches do what they do best) they are ready to write you off. Not something I would risk. Now, just like work, you should not wait till tryouts to know where you stand with the coach, team, club. If you are unsure, have a calm informational gathering meeting with the coach and be honest about wanting to stay or leave based on the feedback you get from your kid and the coach. I've said it before and I'll say it again, the parents have all the power. Some of us are just very reluctant to use it for fear of repercussions. Piggybacking off of this, the question you should be asking is why are you looking to leave? Is it to get on a higher level team? Is it to get on a winning team? Is it to play with friends? Is it to be trained and learn from a particular coach, etc.? I am a firm believer in doing your homework prior to arriving at a club. Now I realize that there are sometimes extenuating circumstances, but I say if you're playing in a top league and you're getting good playing time and you're developing and there are no abuses, stay put. The grass is not always greener and sometimes soccer echoes life. There will always be challenges to overcome... p.s. For the record, no one owns your kid, not even the pro-clubs 🤭 If the coach is honest about where your kid stands it's easy to be honest about where you stand. Therein lies the rub. |
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Post by Futsal Gawdess on May 15, 2023 10:43:22 GMT -5
Sorry not Sorry, but I disagree. Like Bosses, Coaches have the most massive of egos. The moment you start looking elsewhere (and the snitches do what they do best) they are ready to write you off. Not something I would risk. Now, just like work, you should not wait till tryouts to know where you stand with the coach, team, club. If you are unsure, have a calm informational gathering meeting with the coach and be honest about wanting to stay or leave based on the feedback you get from your kid and the coach. I've said it before and I'll say it again, the parents have all the power. Some of us are just very reluctant to use it for fear of repercussions. Piggybacking off of this, the question you should be asking is why are you looking to leave? Is it to get on a higher level team? Is it to get on a winning team? Is it to play with friends? Is it to be trained and learn from a particular coach, etc.? I am a firm believer in doing your homework prior to arriving at a club. Now I realize that there are sometimes extenuating circumstances, but I say if you're playing in a top league and you're getting good playing time and you're developing and there are no abuses, stay put. The grass is not always greener and sometimes soccer echoes life. There will always be challenges to overcome... p.s. For the record, no one owns your kid, not even the pro-clubs 🤭 I can tell from your response that you either did not read or did not fully understand my simple statement.
1.If every child tries out for at least two clubs the power and ego is gone from the clubs, coaches and snitches. It would be the norm to do multiple tryouts. The "risk/fear" that you speak of would not even exist.
2. You should not need a private meeting with coaches or DOC to try and figure out where your player stands. This one is on the clubs for being so secretive.
3. Trying out and being in uncomfortable positions is a very big part of player development! Player development is what we should all be doing with our young soccer players not worrying about club or coach retaliation.
We have a choice! We can continue along this same pathway that we have been on for years in our youth system or we can change. You said it best we the parents have all the power but we must use it!
In theory, I agree with you. However, in the real world, with real money to be made, dealing with real humans, real snitching, real, flawed and weak coaches, with fallacious club policies, and throw in the current pay to play model... I'm thinking your kids will age out of youth soccer, before that becomes the norm. |
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Post by DunwoodySoccerDad on May 15, 2023 10:49:44 GMT -5
I can tell from your response that you either did not read or did not fully understand my simple statement.
1.If every child tries out for at least two clubs the power and ego is gone from the clubs, coaches and snitches. It would be the norm to do multiple tryouts. The "risk/fear" that you speak of would not even exist.
2. You should not need a private meeting with coaches or DOC to try and figure out where your player stands. This one is on the clubs for being so secretive.
3. Trying out and being in uncomfortable positions is a very big part of player development! Player development is what we should all be doing with our young soccer players not worrying about club or coach retaliation.
We have a choice! We can continue along this same pathway that we have been on for years in our youth system or we can change. You said it best we the parents have all the power but we must use it!
In theory, I agree with you. However, in the real world, with real money to be made, dealing with real humans, real snitching, real, flawed and weak coaches, with fallacious club policies, and throw in the current pay to play model... I'm thinking your kids will age out of youth soccer, before that becomes the norm. Agreed - the suggestion that kids tryout for multiple clubs each year seems more like a vision of youth soccer utopia than actual advice that a parent can use in the current environment. |
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Post by bolo on May 15, 2023 11:01:17 GMT -5
In theory, I agree with you. However, in the real world, with real money to be made, dealing with real humans, real snitching, real, flawed and weak coaches, with fallacious club policies, and throw in the current pay to play model... I'm thinking your kids will age out of youth soccer, before that becomes the norm. Agreed - the suggestion that kids tryout for multiple clubs each year seems more like a vision of youth soccer utopia than actual advice that a parent can use in the current environment. It's also an easy thing to say or do if your kid doesn't mind changing clubs (potentially over & over again). For a lot of players, the team dynamic and social aspect- especially as they get older- can override any dreams about getting a small scholarship to play D-II soccer in Lower Alabama. You hear all the time about bad team environments and how much players & parents don't enjoy those. Often it's not worth the risk of falling into one of those just to say you're playing on a higher level team. But some kids just want to be on the highest level team they can, whether they're playing a lot or a little, or like the coach or their teammates, and myriad other factors. We all have choices to make, based on our (and our kids') priorities and goals. |
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Post by rotgg on May 15, 2023 11:06:20 GMT -5
I can tell from your response that you either did not read or did not fully understand my simple statement.
1.If every child tries out for at least two clubs the power and ego is gone from the clubs, coaches and snitches. It would be the norm to do multiple tryouts. The "risk/fear" that you speak of would not even exist.
2. You should not need a private meeting with coaches or DOC to try and figure out where your player stands. This one is on the clubs for being so secretive.
3. Trying out and being in uncomfortable positions is a very big part of player development! Player development is what we should all be doing with our young soccer players not worrying about club or coach retaliation.
We have a choice! We can continue along this same pathway that we have been on for years in our youth system or we can change. You said it best we the parents have all the power but we must use it!
In theory, I agree with you. However, in the real world, with real money to be made, dealing with real humans, real snitching, real, flawed and weak coaches, with fallacious club policies, and throw in the current pay to play model... I'm thinking your kids will age out of youth soccer, before that becomes the norm. I am sure you are correct. But if we really want things to change it must start at some point. |
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Post by Deleted on May 15, 2023 12:13:15 GMT -5
Wow, I didn't realize how many people have had this experience. It is sad to hear that this is the culture at UFA. Why would anyone pay to put their child in this environment?
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Post by Deleted on May 15, 2023 13:07:46 GMT -5
Agreed - the suggestion that kids tryout for multiple clubs each year seems more like a vision of youth soccer utopia than actual advice that a parent can use in the current environment. It's also an easy thing to say or do if your kid doesn't mind changing clubs (potentially over & over again). For a lot of players, the team dynamic and social aspect- especially as they get older- can override any dreams about getting a small scholarship to play D-II soccer in Lower Alabama. You hear all the time about bad team environments and how much players & parents don't enjoy those. Often it's not worth the risk of falling into one of those just to say you're playing on a higher level team. But some kids just want to be on the highest level team they can, whether they're playing a lot or a little, or like the coach or their teammates, and myriad other factors. We all have choices to make, based on our (and our kids') priorities and goals. I agree with everything you said. Whatever you choose, do it for your kid, and not because you are afraid of a coach. |
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Post by greenmonkey on May 15, 2023 17:46:02 GMT -5
Wow, I didn't realize how many people have had this experience. It is sad to hear that this is the culture at UFA. Why would anyone pay to put their child in this environment? To be fair this is NOT exclusive to (UFA) it’s happened at AFU and GSA and CF and SSA and on and on and on Also this is not a CLUB CULTURE it’s also a COACHING dynamic some coaches egos just get hurt that you would gasp look for a different option for any of the myriad of reasons people have already listened |
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Post by atlsoccer123 on May 16, 2023 9:05:08 GMT -5
Unfortunately this also happens at other clubs, but I feel that it is a coach thing but at the end of the day, the coach represents the club. I find that attending other clubs’ ID Clinics or training sessions gets the most discussion and don’t think for a second that it will not get back to your coach, because it will. Be aware that coaches talk to each other and everyone knows everyone. This should not deter any parent from allowing their child to exercise their options, because clubs are not hesitant when they make decisions that affect our children. It would be ideal (I know I am dreaming) if coaches would offer spots (and some do) early and communicate to the players not offered spots the reasons why. That way players know where they stand ahead of time. Totally agree. Threatening kids for looking at options is ridiculous. Yes, the coaches all know and talk and if they're smart enough they know when all of the nearby ID Clinics are. Quite frankly it shouldn't have to be a big secret what a kid may or may not plan to do next season and they don't owe an explanation to their current coach. If anything, the current coach should be supportive if a good move could be good for the player. Unfortunately, most coaches aren't that supportive. Coaches definitely offer spots early and for others they should let the new prospects know they aren't interested so they don't waste time. It's easy to communicate and everyone moves on. |
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Post by atlsoccer123 on May 16, 2023 9:20:20 GMT -5
Agreed - the suggestion that kids tryout for multiple clubs each year seems more like a vision of youth soccer utopia than actual advice that a parent can use in the current environment. It's also an easy thing to say or do if your kid doesn't mind changing clubs (potentially over & over again). For a lot of players, the team dynamic and social aspect- especially as they get older- can override any dreams about getting a small scholarship to play D-II soccer in Lower Alabama. You hear all the time about bad team environments and how much players & parents don't enjoy those. Often it's not worth the risk of falling into one of those just to say you're playing on a higher level team. But some kids just want to be on the highest level team they can, whether they're playing a lot or a little, or like the coach or their teammates, and myriad other factors. We all have choices to make, based on our (and our kids') priorities and goals. A bad environment is never worth what you think your player may get by being on a toxic top team. Their self-esteem, happiness, and being a part of a great team shapes them for life. There is no reason to subject a kid to that for the sake of saying you are part of the top alphabet league. Add to that, the parent environment is important because parents have to deal with toxic parents. The apple doesn't fall far from the tree. |
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Post by soccer888 on May 16, 2023 10:20:09 GMT -5
It's also an easy thing to say or do if your kid doesn't mind changing clubs (potentially over & over again). For a lot of players, the team dynamic and social aspect- especially as they get older- can override any dreams about getting a small scholarship to play D-II soccer in Lower Alabama. You hear all the time about bad team environments and how much players & parents don't enjoy those. Often it's not worth the risk of falling into one of those just to say you're playing on a higher level team. But some kids just want to be on the highest level team they can, whether they're playing a lot or a little, or like the coach or their teammates, and myriad other factors. We all have choices to make, based on our (and our kids') priorities and goals. A bad environment is never worth what you think your player may get by being on a toxic top team. Their self-esteem, happiness, and being a part of a great team shapes them for life. There is no reason to subject a kid to that for the sake of saying you are part of the top alphabet league. Add to that, the parent environment is important because parents have to deal with toxic parents. The apple doesn't fall far from the tree. I could not agree more. In the end, the future will be brighter away from a toxic environment - regardless of club or level. It's ok to go find your tribe. |
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Post by rotgg on May 16, 2023 12:34:57 GMT -5
One of the biggest problems I have noticed with this discussion is the analogies to work and bosses. This comparison is way off the clubs are academies. The definition of academy is 1.a place of study or training in a special field. 2.a society or institution of distinguished scholars and artists or scientists that aims to promote and maintain standards in its particular field. Now that being said the analogy should be more along the lines of student and teacher/school. If your child wanted to learn outside of a teacher/school and told his teacher he was going to get a tutor or interview for another school. Then said teacher or school retaliated against student for wanting to learn and punished them by kicking them out of school. That is more along the lines of what is going on and how pitiful does that sound.
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Post by atlsoccer123 on May 16, 2023 14:27:26 GMT -5
My question is-why do parents think that clubs should hold their child's spot if the player is looking elsewhere? No club owns a player, but no club should "hold a spot" for the player looking elsewhere. That doesn't work in the real world, why would it work in the soccer world? I do not see that as threatening. I see that as being responsible as a club. You are leaving, let the club look for a replacement. I don't think parents think a club or coach should "hold their spot". If they know they are "looking" and really value them as a player... bring it up, ask the questions about why they are looking. Maybe they're just exploring what's out there or another club is more convenient. Maybe they don't like the current team or even the coach. Chances are, if coaches did this players might change their mind about leaving because they think the coach values them as a player and wants them there. A coach doesn't need to beg anyone but a conversation shouldn't be out of the question. And if the coach doesn't value the player, let them go peacefully. And the player that does think a club or coach should "hold their spot" - they need to check their over-inflated ego. |
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Post by soccergurl on May 16, 2023 14:39:04 GMT -5
One of the biggest problems I have noticed with this discussion is the analogies to work and bosses. This comparison is way off the clubs are academies. The definition of academy is 1.a place of study or training in a special field. 2.a society or institution of distinguished scholars and artists or scientists that aims to promote and maintain standards in its particular field. Now that being said the analogy should be more along the lines of student and teacher/school. If your child wanted to learn outside of a teacher/school and told his teacher he was going to get a tutor or interview for another school. Then said teacher or school retaliated against student for wanting to learn and punished them by kicking them out of school. That is more along the lines of what is going on and how pitiful does that sound. |me tink u not live in real world| |me tink u tell boss u look anoda job| |me tink if u gud u get more $$$| |me tink if u just ok u get di boot| |me tink u no practice what u preach| |me tink i still respeck ur idea|
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Post by atlnoleg on May 16, 2023 19:08:09 GMT -5
Most of these comments seem to be coming from the perspective it's the player/parent looking for greener pastures. This assumes the player/parent is told or led to believe that he/she is part of the coach's plans for next year. That is a false assumption,and often leading up to tryouts there is only more uncertainty as kids come out of the woodwork to practice with your team ahead of ID and tryouts. So who is holding whom hostage in this situation?
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Post by soccergurl on May 17, 2023 7:07:59 GMT -5
Most of these comments seem to be coming from the perspective it's the player/parent looking for greener pastures. This assumes the player/parent is told or led to believe that he/she is part of the coach's plans for next year. That is a false assumption,and often leading up to tryouts there is only more uncertainty as kids come out of the woodwork to practice with your team ahead of ID and tryouts. So who is holding whom hostage in this situation? |me tinks - LET IT GO MAN!!!| |
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Post by rotgg on May 17, 2023 7:29:37 GMT -5
One of the biggest problems I have noticed with this discussion is the analogies to work and bosses. This comparison is way off the clubs are academies. The definition of academy is 1.a place of study or training in a special field. 2.a society or institution of distinguished scholars and artists or scientists that aims to promote and maintain standards in its particular field. Now that being said the analogy should be more along the lines of student and teacher/school. If your child wanted to learn outside of a teacher/school and told his teacher he was going to get a tutor or interview for another school. Then said teacher or school retaliated against student for wanting to learn and punished them by kicking them out of school. That is more along the lines of what is going on and how pitiful does that sound. |me tink u not live in real world| |me tink u tell boss u look anoda job| |me tink if u gud u get more $$$| |me tink if u just ok u get di boot| |me tink u no practice what u preach| |me tink i still respeck ur idea|
First let me say I have been on this forum for a long time even though I was not posting and I have always enjoyed your post
me tink i do live in real world me tink you are right
me tink you are right
me tink you are right me know you are wrong me thank you for respeck
Also the original post was asking for fixes to the problem no one offered a real fix except me. Do we really want change? Judging by the responses here it doesn't seem that way.
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Post by palermo on May 25, 2023 17:51:36 GMT -5
New to the soccer forum but have a pretty good reading on these coaches. The link below should be required reading every year before tryouts. Read it, then read it again when thinking of staying or leaving a club. If you’re being truthful to yourself (and kid) you can attest to hearing/seeing most of everything described. Clubs have zero loyalty to kids (even if they’ve made promises to your kid)…only the mighty dollar – but you already knew that. Duh. If you’re on the fence on whether you should entertain other clubs this article may help you in your decision making. If you aren’t happy leave and try another club. You may decide things are better at the new club or it may solidify why you should stay at the original club. Point is—YOU get to decide what you want to do and who cares if your current coach finds out and shows his/her false outrage. Long read but most you will be able to put a face to this article. www.soccertoday.com/identifying-watching-developmental-saboteur/?cn-reloaded=1 |
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Post by justhavefun on Jun 11, 2023 21:02:06 GMT -5
My question is-why do parents think that clubs should hold their child's spot if the player is looking elsewhere? No club owns a player, but no club should "hold a spot" for the player looking elsewhere. That doesn't work in the real world, why would it work in the soccer world? I do not see that as threatening. I see that as being responsible as a club. You are leaving, let the club look for a replacement. Soccer 1320 is likely a UFA coach. No one is saying clubs should hold a players spot. I have been around youth soccer a long time. I actually remember when tryouts were really three days. Both clubs/ coaches would use those days to evaluate kids and kids/ parents would use the three days to evaluate coaches/clubs. It allowed for both players and clubs to benefit. Now it’s loyalty or be cut. It’s sad. I own a business and some of my best employees explore other opportunities at times. Sometimes they come to me first, other times they don’t. Many times there are good reasons why they are looking to leave ( i. e - their family needs more money - maybe a spouse got laid off, sometimes it is a logistical reason, a career change, a personal reason, etc. Most times when I sit down and COMMUNICATE with my employee and I better understand their reason for looking elsewhere they end up staying and become better employees. I am not necessarily comparing work with soccer (although for many of these coaches work is soccer) but there are definitely similarities. The problem with coaches/clubs are their egos and insecurities. It’s really sad what has happened. Especially to UFA, Just look at their ECNL/ RL standings specifically on the boys side. They used to be the 1 of 2 or 3 elite clubs in Atlanta. Not anymore. Not sure how involved Iggy is anymore. (not sure his brother would let this crap happen though) He certainly would never have let a letter like what was sent to AFU parents go out. |
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