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Post by atlantagray on Jan 12, 2024 9:36:41 GMT -5
Only caveat to above explanation is players can be dual-rostered on ECNL/ENCL-R, thus a player rostered with ECNL can play ECNL-R since they are technically rostered for both teams. with that caveat, pooling would be possible if you simply dual-rostered every player for ecnl/R . As far as I knew, you have to be primarily rostered for one team. do you have first hand experience with this? they cover some of this here: gasoccerforum.com/thread/5951/ecnl-rules |
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Post by atlien on Jan 12, 2024 12:07:20 GMT -5
Not a fan of Munoz. We know several players who stayed on 05 Navy two years ago who could not stand him. We left to avoid him. He is a good technical development coach. Has always played the Tophat way even when he coached at LSA and UFA Norcross. But he has harmed a lot of girls’ psyches and negatively affected their love of the game. A few left last year’s 05 Navy team never to play again. Some of that was compounded by the previous coach. Let me end the comments on him by saying that there are a few prior threads on here about him that are very negative. As for Navy, despite being in the same league as Gold and being able to put players on D1 college teams (even DPL put two on D1 teams) Tophat treats Navy as second class citizens in some ways. Training fields are good generally, but game fields are sometimes crap. Unless things changed they don’t give you the GPS/HR monitor vests or upload your games as quickly for analysis. Not surprising, but this does cause them to lose Navy players and coaches. Our kid learned a lot of quality soccer playing at Tophat in the GA. First year was great! The second year… well let’s not go there. If you get the right coach it would be a great experience. I do like Kyle. I don’t know Courtney. Troy doesn’t bother with Navy. Tophat is where you take your kid to kill their soccer career, especially if they are Black or Brown (cue the mouth foaming denialists). That was our experience. TG and JG are cowards, straight up Toms. Dishonest and slimy. I hope this information helps a parent avoid making the same mistake we did. Worst thing we could’ve done for our kid. |
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Post by atlnoleg on Jan 12, 2024 13:10:24 GMT -5
Only caveat to above explanation is players can be dual-rostered on ECNL/ENCL-R, thus a player rostered with ECNL can play ECNL-R since they are technically rostered for both teams. with that caveat, pooling would be possible if you simply dual-rostered every player for ecnl/R . As far as I knew, you have to be primarily rostered for one team. do you have first hand experience with this? they cover some of this here: gasoccerforum.com/thread/5951/ecnl-rulesI just perused that thread. I agree with mightydawg about parents whining about ECNL kids playing down when they lose. If you're RL you should be trying to prove you can play NL and look at it as a challenge. But I also don't believe it is always true anyway, and like I said some kids are dual rostered so they are on both teams and can play down or up by rule. As far as firsthand experience, our RL team had three dual rostered NL/RL kids for u13. One was a keeper. The others were field players who played games with both teams. At u14, there are a couple of kids who are dual rostered but didn't play down in the Fall. My understanding is they will in the Spring to make room for the trapped '09 NL kids. |
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Post by lajolla39 on Jan 12, 2024 18:52:49 GMT -5
I don't think if a club rosters players as ECNL or ECRL matters as to what team they play on.
Again from what I can tell the only rules are that players can only play one game per day and rosters max out at 30.
ECNL players can play on ECRL teams and ECRL players can play on ECNL teams.
If clubs choose to run a big pool and play whoever for whatever game. The only rule is that they can only play one game per day.
ECNL Competition Rules 2.2.1 Movement Between League Competitions, playing players in both competitions is allowed by ECNL Rules. ECNL Registered Players may participate in ECNL Club Competition and ECNL Regional League Competition with the club they are registered to , as long as they are (i) age eligible; (ii) meet all specific eligibility requirements in these Regulations; and (iii) compete in only one ECNL Competition per day.
For ECNL (and likely GA) clubs that have more than one ECNL team each team should be treated as though they're different clubs. Team to team transfers would be handled the same way as club to club transfers.
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Post by GameOfThrow-ins on Jan 12, 2024 19:12:29 GMT -5
I don't think if a club rosters players as ECNL or ECRL matters as to what team they play on. Again from what I can tell the only rules are that players can only play one game per day and rosters max out at 30. ECNL players can play on ECRL teams and ECRL players can play on ECNL teams. If clubs choose to run a big pool and play whoever for whatever game. The only rule is that they can only play one game per day. ECNL Competition Rules 2.2.1 Movement Between League Competitions, playing players in both competitions is allowed by ECNL Rules. ECNL Registered Players may participate in ECNL Club Competition and ECNL Regional League Competition with the club they are registered to , as long as they are (i) age eligible; (ii) meet all specific eligibility requirements in these Regulations; and (iii) compete in only one ECNL Competition per day. For ECNL (and likely GA) clubs that have more than one ECNL team each team should be treated as though they're different clubs. Team to team transfers would be handled the same way as club to club transfers. Right. Otherwise clubs with 2 teams in the same league (CF in Atl) could shuffle players based on that week’s competition to their advantage. |
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Post by lajolla39 on Jan 14, 2024 13:03:21 GMT -5
I don't think if a club rosters players as ECNL or ECRL matters as to what team they play on. Again from what I can tell the only rules are that players can only play one game per day and rosters max out at 30. ECNL players can play on ECRL teams and ECRL players can play on ECNL teams. If clubs choose to run a big pool and play whoever for whatever game. The only rule is that they can only play one game per day. ECNL Competition Rules 2.2.1 Movement Between League Competitions, playing players in both competitions is allowed by ECNL Rules. ECNL Registered Players may participate in ECNL Club Competition and ECNL Regional League Competition with the club they are registered to , as long as they are (i) age eligible; (ii) meet all specific eligibility requirements in these Regulations; and (iii) compete in only one ECNL Competition per day. For ECNL (and likely GA) clubs that have more than one ECNL team each team should be treated as though they're different clubs. Team to team transfers would be handled the same way as club to club transfers. Right. Otherwise clubs with 2 teams in the same league (CF in Atl) could shuffle players based on that week’s competition to their advantage. Clubs can shuffle ECNL and ECRL players however they want. Only rule is that players only play one game per day. ECNL and ECRL teams generally play the same club week after week on the same day. However, What ECNL has done to make it difficult to swap players each game is that when ECNL is the home team ECRL is the away team and vice versa. This generally forces clubs to have seperate teams and coaches because you can't be in two places at once. |
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Post by Keeper on Jan 15, 2024 10:34:31 GMT -5
Las time I looked the only rule was that players couldn't play 2 ECNL/RL games in the same day. Meaning you could run an ECNL Pool of both NL and RL players and pick who plays each day. But I don't know if there's some kind of special restriction for GA or ECNL clubs with 2 GA or 2 ECNL teams from running a single pool. The way the rosters work, and I'll use ECNL as the operating example (though it's effectively the same with GA/DPL,) is that a player can be rostered on ecnlR and brought up to ECNL, but an ECNL rostered player cannot play down on an ecnlR team. So, if you were to pool in that sense, a player who is rostered on ecnl could not be dropped to ecnlR. As for the example of concorde with 2 ECNL teams, pool wouldn't work in that example because premiere is a singular ECNL team with a roster, and platinum is a singular ECNL team with a roster. ECNL players cannot be rostered on 2 ECNL teams simultaneously. So you can't move a player from premiere to platinum for one game or move a player from platinum to premium either. It would be no different that moving a premiere player to play with the GSA team for a game. All of this is assuming league play. Non ecnl Tournies, friendlies etc outside of league play are not governed by those rules If a team manager or rules savant can confirm this (for both ecnl and ga) i'd love it Wrong on one part, an ECNL player (rostered on that team) can play down with the RL team anytime as long as they follow the one game a day rule. This has been done multiple times by AFU, Gsa and CF. Especially for players coming back from injury and GKs. |
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Post by southernsoccer on Jan 25, 2024 14:33:32 GMT -5
The logical answer is that the ECNL team they were playing on wasn't as good as Tophat Navy. Players and teams don't get better just by playing in a league. Some are terrible and will always be terrible. Just my two cents: The way this thread has gone, I suggest the forum have sub-forums for, at least, ECNL Girls, GA Girls. The fact that ECNL was mentioned immediately after op said they were looking SPECIFICALLY at a GA club doesn't help the conversation and muddies the water for the specific question asked. Add to it responses like this above- it's not "logical" that the ECNL team wasn't as good as Tophat navy- there are so so many reasons why players change clubs and to reduce it down to this and imply that it is 'logically' or 'obviously' the reason why someone makes a decision is intellectually dishonest and shows clear bias I hate to be "stay on topic" guy- I'm only saying that if this original question was posed in a GA Girls sub forum, I think it would have elicited more clear and effective responses for the op I also think clearly divided sub-forums will increase forum engagement as an added benefit Thanks for this. I didn't mean to start a ruckus and compare the two leagues. To everyone that is curious. We are looking to leave an ECNL team because my daughter doesn't enjoy playing under the specific coach. We are looking at Tophat because it is close to home, because my daughter naturally plays the Tophat style. If there were an ECNL team that checked the same boxes we would go there. League doesn't really matter to her. She would like to continue to develop, and the tactics of her current team don't allow for that. I think it is a little intriguing though that most assumed that we are leaving for the Navy GA team when I mentioned both Navy and Gold. She is good enough for Gold and she should make that team, but I know politics are a big thing in club soccer, so I asked about both. |
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Post by lajolla39 on Jan 25, 2024 15:58:03 GMT -5
Just my two cents: The way this thread has gone, I suggest the forum have sub-forums for, at least, ECNL Girls, GA Girls. The fact that ECNL was mentioned immediately after op said they were looking SPECIFICALLY at a GA club doesn't help the conversation and muddies the water for the specific question asked. Add to it responses like this above- it's not "logical" that the ECNL team wasn't as good as Tophat navy- there are so so many reasons why players change clubs and to reduce it down to this and imply that it is 'logically' or 'obviously' the reason why someone makes a decision is intellectually dishonest and shows clear bias I hate to be "stay on topic" guy- I'm only saying that if this original question was posed in a GA Girls sub forum, I think it would have elicited more clear and effective responses for the op I also think clearly divided sub-forums will increase forum engagement as an added benefit Thanks for this. I didn't mean to start a ruckus and compare the two leagues. To everyone that is curious. We are looking to leave an ECNL team because my daughter doesn't enjoy playing under the specific coach. We are looking at Tophat because it is close to home, because my daughter naturally plays the Tophat style. If there were an ECNL team that checked the same boxes we would go there. League doesn't really matter to her. She would like to continue to develop, and the tactics of her current team don't allow for that. I think it is a little intriguing though that most assumed that we are leaving for the Navy GA team when I mentioned both Navy and Gold. She is good enough for Gold and she should make that team, but I know politics are a big thing in club soccer, so I asked about both. Most people knew what you meant. Coaches can be the #1 reason players love playing. They can also be the #1 reason players hate playing. I've seen ECNL players go to GA clubs and I've also seen GA players go to ECNL clubs. Everyone has their own reasons. As we saw in 2020 when DA blew up anything can happen in youth sports. Right now the rumor is that NWSL is thinking about Academies in some kind of format. Kind of like what MLS has done with MLS Next. If this happens ECNL might instantly become 2nd tier depending on how it's implemented. How ironic would it be if you to went Tophat, Academies happened, and all your kids former teammates started trying out at Tophat? |
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