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Post by messindreams on Jun 1, 2024 21:21:51 GMT -5
Agree with soccergurl and @debruynpass.
I said this before and I will say this again, clubs don't do much to help your kids get recruited. They just provide a platform to showcase your kids talent and collect your $$$$. This is true with AFU and most if not all other clubs. Win now is the priority and development is expected from kids doing their own thing.
Not much development if any
No help with recruitment
No soccer scholarships
No loyalty, goes both ways
$money $money $money
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Post by soccer4life24 on Jun 1, 2024 21:54:50 GMT -5
Huge for CF to land both these coaches! Both teams were pretty much set at CF soon after the ID camps. UFA Girls ECNL is a train wreck at the moment, specifically the 2011, 2010 age groups. Alan and Gil left for good reason, they were 2 of the clubs best and most successful coaches. UFA has done some things that make you question the integrity of the people running it. The 2010 age group cannot keep quality girls and I would caution any outsiders who have just accepted a position on that team. The coach has run off a ton of talent and has the highest turnover year after year than any coach in the area and for good reason. He is a great salesman at getting you there but great chance you will be leaving the very next year thinking you just wasted a year. He attempted to leave the club too but couldn't land a position higher than academy level so ultimately stayed at UFA. The coach of the 2010 team has been a very highly regarded boys coach for several years. He has only had one girls team in the 7+ seasons that I have known him and it is this team. He has known these players since U9 because his daughter is in this age group AND on this team. I don’t know who he has “run off” with the exception of one girl who left last season. He dropped two players down to RL last year who left the club this season. Maybe other players left this season (I heard 2 went to CF under Alan), but people sometimes run towards people rather than away. I have heard some negative comments about him, but I don’t know of many coaches who don’t have that…even Alan and Gil. I have had plenty of people say some bad things about Alan and a few about Gil. So no one is immune from that. BUT I am NOT a fan of people coaching their own kids. I think it creates a conflict of interest. In club soccer where you are paying lots of money for talent development, recruiting events and soccer training I don’t like it at all. And it could be that I he is more suitable to coaching boys. I hear that he is big on yelling though that is not a new thing. BTW Alan’s 05 and 08 ECNL and DA teams did not actually do well at all. This is his first successful ECNL team since he has been at UFA. |
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Post by proudplayer on Jun 1, 2024 22:27:27 GMT -5
Huge for CF to land both these coaches! Both teams were pretty much set at CF soon after the ID camps. UFA Girls ECNL is a train wreck at the moment, specifically the 2011, 2010 age groups. Alan and Gil left for good reason, they were 2 of the clubs best and most successful coaches. UFA has done some things that make you question the integrity of the people running it. The 2010 age group cannot keep quality girls and I would caution any outsiders who have just accepted a position on that team. The coach has run off a ton of talent and has the highest turnover year after year than any coach in the area and for good reason. He is a great salesman at getting you there but great chance you will be leaving the very next year thinking you just wasted a year. He attempted to leave the club too but couldn't land a position higher than academy level so ultimately stayed at UFA. The coach of the 2010 team has been a very highly regarded boys coach for several years. He has only had one girls team in the 7+ seasons that I have known him and it is this team. He has known these players since U9 because his daughter is in this age group AND on this team. I don’t know who he has “run off” with the exception of one girl who left last season. He dropped two players down to RL last year who left the club this season. Maybe other players left this season (I heard 2 went to CF under Alan), but people sometimes run towards people rather than away. I have heard some negative comments about him, but I don’t know of many coaches who don’t have that…even Alan and Gil. I have had plenty of people say some bad things about Alan and a few about Gil. So no one is immune from that. BUT I am NOT a fan of people coaching their own kids. I think it creates a conflict of interest. In club soccer where you are paying lots of money for talent development, recruiting events and soccer training I don’t like it at all. And it could be that I he is more suitable to coaching boys. I hear that he is big on yelling though that is not a new thing. BTW Alan’s 03, 05 and 08 ECNL and DA teams did not actually do well at all. This is his first successful ECNL team since he has been at UFA. Clarification: 2011 ECNL team is his first successful ECNL/DA team Gil coaches his own daughter. Is that who you are referencing or a different coach? |
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Post by soccer4life24 on Jun 1, 2024 22:31:48 GMT -5
He is talking about Rafiq not Gil
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Post by rifle on Jun 2, 2024 7:40:49 GMT -5
I don’t think coaching your own kid should be a red line at all.
When you have a kid playing and you also coach a team or teams - I don’t want you having to coach games and miss your own kid’s games. And honestly, if the concern is nepotism - I suspect the child of a good coach is probably going to be pretty good anyway. Is there some other concern I am not considering?
You can always decline the invitation to join the team if you have a problem with it.
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Post by maze on Jun 2, 2024 9:08:40 GMT -5
I don’t think coaching your own kid should be a red line at all. When you have a kid playing and you also coach a team or teams - I don’t want you having to coach games and miss your own kid’s games. And honestly, if the concern is nepotism - I suspect the child of a good coach is probably going to be pretty good anyway. Is there some other concern I am not considering? You can always decline the invitation to join the team if you have a problem with it. I think as long as the kid is one of the the top players than its not an issue. You had Manor at Concorde who coached her own daughter...her daughter was really good. Gil's daughter the same...top player. Was all conference and on ECNL national team. However, if you kid is not the top or one of them than you have to be able to separate being a coach and a parent. If you can't then people leave..for example, Brian Kelly at Concorde Premier. Team turns over half the players every year. He still coaches girls that he has had since U8, including his daughter, and they continue to drop in the ranks every year. |
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Post by oraclesfriend on Jun 2, 2024 9:56:08 GMT -5
I don’t think coaching your own kid should be a red line at all. When you have a kid playing and you also coach a team or teams - I don’t want you having to coach games and miss your own kid’s games. And honestly, if the concern is nepotism - I suspect the child of a good coach is probably going to be pretty good anyway. Is there some other concern I am not considering? You can always decline the invitation to join the team if you have a problem with it. I think as long as the kid is one of the the top players than its not an issue. You had Manor at Concorde who coached her own daughter...her daughter was really good. Gil's daughter the same...top player. Was all conference and on ECNL national team. However, if you kid is not the top or one of them than you have to be able to separate being a coach and a parent. If you can't then people leave..for example, Brian Kelly at Concorde Premier. Team turns over half the players every year. He still coaches girls that he has had since U8, including his daughter, and they continue to drop in the ranks every year. While I agree Gil’s daughter is fantastic and hopefully will play for the USWNT someday and not be lost to another country as several of our Atlanta stud players have been I still do think there can be small conflicts of interest that come up in those scenarios. So those may not cause major issues but can still cause minor ones. But let’s also remember these are kids. Maybe coach’s child doesn’t like a certain player. Does that make its way to Mommy or Daddy coach??? Does coach allow bias to creep in against said individual? As for coaching and watching your own kid play, at the ECNL level that is not a problem. You just coach a different age group and you are all set. Certainly you may have a conflict here and there but you can also do your best to line it up so that the age group you coach doesn’t conflict. This works if you coach one team only or maybe two. If you have many teams then you may miss some games. Sorry but anyone out there with multiple kids deals with this all of the time. I say deal with it for the greater good. Regardless of the level of play of the player there will be bias creeping in during the season that is based in part off of the parent’s view of what is best for the child. We were recently on a team where the coach’s child was a player on the team. At the beginning of the year she was the best player. She chose to play down a level to be on her dad’s team. She ended up getting worse because the coach would not let her dribble. Why? That was her best skill compared to the other players and many times it was the best play at the moment but he forced her to pass one and two touches only and it made her worse and the team worse. He wanted her to work on her weaknesses and so he forced her to do that to the detriment of the team. This sort of scenario comes up with other coach’s kids that I have seen in the past. It may not be a red line for me but it is definitely an orange one. I worry about it at the club level. At high school sometimes it is unavoidable as if you are the coach for the school your kid matriculates to it is a tough situation to get out of. Tell your kid not to play for four years, quit the job? But it causes trouble there too for other kids because they can’t always just leave to go play elsewhere. |
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Post by ball2futbol on Jun 2, 2024 11:12:57 GMT -5
You shouldn’t be coaching your own kid in club soccer and definitely not at the select level, high school I could care less.
As for the bumble bees… pass the rock or sit on the bench!
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Post by Futsal Gawdess on Jun 3, 2024 11:32:37 GMT -5
I don’t think coaching your own kid should be a red line at all. When you have a kid playing and you also coach a team or teams - I don’t want you having to coach games and miss your own kid’s games. And honestly, if the concern is nepotism - I suspect the child of a good coach is probably going to be pretty good anyway. Is there some other concern I am not considering? You can always decline the invitation to join the team if you have a problem with it. I think as long as the kid is one of the the top players than its not an issue. You had Manor at Concorde who coached her own daughter...her daughter was really good. Gil's daughter the same...top player. Was all conference and on ECNL national team. However, if you kid is not the top or one of them than you have to be able to separate being a coach and a parent. If you can't then people leave..for example, Brian Kelly at Concorde Premier. Team turns over half the players every year. He still coaches girls that he has had since U8, including his daughter, and they continue to drop in the ranks every year. It shouldn't matter whether they are a good player or not. Once your child reaches the select level or U15, coaching your own child is no longer cute. There's a reason you don't referee your own child's game. Teachers don't teach their own kids, and unless it's an emergency, doctors don't treat their own children or even family members. It's important to find them a good coach and team, and focus on being a supportive parent. As a parent, you can still offer advice, help them address issues, and supplement where their coach may be lacking, but leave the primary coaching to someone else. |
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Post by atlantagray on Jun 3, 2024 12:53:13 GMT -5
I think as long as the kid is one of the the top players than its not an issue. You had Manor at Concorde who coached her own daughter...her daughter was really good. Gil's daughter the same...top player. Was all conference and on ECNL national team. However, if you kid is not the top or one of them than you have to be able to separate being a coach and a parent. If you can't then people leave..for example, Brian Kelly at Concorde Premier. Team turns over half the players every year. He still coaches girls that he has had since U8, including his daughter, and they continue to drop in the ranks every year. It shouldn't matter whether they are a good player or not. Once your child reaches the select level or U15, coaching your own child is no longer cute. There's a reason you don't referee your own child's game. Teachers don't teach their own kids, and unless it's an emergency, doctors don't treat their own children or even family members. It's important to find them a good coach and team, and focus on being a supportive parent. As a parent, you can still offer advice, help them address issues, and supplement where their coach may be lacking, but leave the primary coaching to someone else. Niiiiiice!!! I love the shot across the bow of Austin FC. We Atl United fans need to be more openly aggressive towards other MLS teams. |
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Post by Lady Soccer Whistledown on Jun 3, 2024 13:18:46 GMT -5
I just feel sorry for those players and parents that bought into the idea that being on a roster of 22 players was a good thing for them. It also shows coach Dom has no regard for what is best for the players and if he isn't kind enough to tell them they were good but they will not see much playing time ( if any, since some will have to sit out with an 18-man roster limit), he is in it for the wrong reasons. These players should be allowed to get proper feedback and allow them to look elsewhere if he can't keep it to just 18 rostered. There are several other CF and TH teams with 20+ girls after they added more this week. Players were told that some will not get to attend games and others may never see the field outside of practice. Parents are paying for this. Feel bad..totally understand that...but that's real world and how it's going to be in college. You have to work hard enough to make the travel roster. |
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Post by oraclesfriend on Jun 3, 2024 15:27:14 GMT -5
There are several other CF and TH teams with 20+ girls after they added more this week. Players were told that some will not get to attend games and others may never see the field outside of practice. Parents are paying for this. Feel bad..totally understand that...but that's real world and how it's going to be in college. You have to work hard enough to make the travel roster. No doubt, but if you are not making the 18 for ECNL team how are you going to show a college you are a worthy player?? Better to train with ECNL once or twice per week and play with ECRL in this situation and if injuries pop up you can go back to ECNL. Dual roster. Makes more sense. At least you will have game time and game film. |
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Post by Futsal Gawdess on Jun 4, 2024 11:54:45 GMT -5
For those who do travel to Florida to play games, could you confirm this...
I recently spoke with a parent whose child plays ECNL (U15-U18) about the typical costs for a weekend soccer trip to Florida. They shared this breakdown, emphasizing that costs can vary depending on specific choices. Here's a general idea:
Flight: $300 (round trip for you and your child)
Hotel: $300 (2 nights at an ECNL-mandated hotel)
Car rental: $100
Food & snacks: $200 (no alcohol)
Team activities: $100
Total: Approximately $1,000
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Post by maze on Jun 4, 2024 12:03:17 GMT -5
For those who do travel to Florida to play games, could you confirm this... I recently spoke with a parent whose child plays ECNL (U15-U18) about the typical costs for a weekend soccer trip to Florida. They shared this breakdown, emphasizing that costs can vary depending on specific choices. Here's a general idea: Flight: $300 (round trip for you and your child) Hotel: $300 (2 nights at an ECNL-mandated hotel) Car rental: $100 Food & snacks: $200 (no alcohol) Team activities: $100 Total: Approximately $1,000 I would put that on the low in...probably $1K - $1500 depending on where in FL, etc |
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Post by bolo on Jun 4, 2024 12:57:28 GMT -5
For those who do travel to Florida to play games, could you confirm this... I recently spoke with a parent whose child plays ECNL (U15-U18) about the typical costs for a weekend soccer trip to Florida. They shared this breakdown, emphasizing that costs can vary depending on specific choices. Here's a general idea: Flight: $300 (round trip for you and your child) Hotel: $300 (2 nights at an ECNL-mandated hotel) Car rental: $100 Food & snacks: $200 (no alcohol) Team activities: $100 Total: Approximately $1,000 I don't know if you've flown much lately, but unless you're flying on Spirit or one of the other budget (dumpy) airlines, finding round trip flights to & from anywhere in Florida- especially over a weekend- at $150 is pretty rare. I would say you're looking at closer to $300 apiece- especially adding in any additional costs like parking at the airport, baggage fees, etc.- especially on Delta. |
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Post by rookiemom on Jun 4, 2024 13:49:24 GMT -5
For those who do travel to Florida to play games, could you confirm this... I recently spoke with a parent whose child plays ECNL (U15-U18) about the typical costs for a weekend soccer trip to Florida. They shared this breakdown, emphasizing that costs can vary depending on specific choices. Here's a general idea: Flight: $300 (round trip for you and your child) Hotel: $300 (2 nights at an ECNL-mandated hotel) Car rental: $100 Food & snacks: $200 (no alcohol) Team activities: $100 Total: Approximately $1,000 I don't know if you've flown much lately, but unless you're flying on Spirit or one of the other budget (dumpy) airlines, finding round trip flights to & from anywhere in Florida- especially over a weekend- at $150 is pretty rare. I would say you're looking at closer to $300 apiece- especially adding in any additional costs like parking at the airport, baggage fees, etc.- especially on Delta. You're totally right about that. I just scored round trip to Ft. Lauderdale on Delta for $199 (weekend fare) and it was a bargain. |
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Post by Keeper on Jun 5, 2024 14:27:31 GMT -5
Huge for CF to land both these coaches! Both teams were pretty much set at CF soon after the ID camps. UFA Girls ECNL is a train wreck at the moment, specifically the 2011, 2010 age groups. Alan and Gil left for good reason, they were 2 of the clubs best and most successful coaches. UFA has done some things that make you question the integrity of the people running it. The 2010 age group cannot keep quality girls and I would caution any outsiders who have just accepted a position on that team. The coach has run off a ton of talent and has the highest turnover year after year than any coach in the area and for good reason. He is a great salesman at getting you there but great chance you will be leaving the very next year thinking you just wasted a year. He attempted to leave the club too but couldn't land a position higher than academy level so ultimately stayed at UFA. UFA’s 2011 girls RL team was by far the most skilled team in the league. Their first touch and passing was by far the best I saw in league play. I would have to assume the NL team was similar. A coach isn’t teaching kids those skills in one year. UFA has access to quality talent and they are training kids in their academy. I’m sure losing those two coaches will hurt those age groups but I think UFA will be fine. Pretty sure a good 1/3 of the Ufa 11 RL girls came from Rush and we’re not home grown. That’s why Stephen Paul is the coach and able to recruit a lot of those over. |
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Post by messindreams on Jun 5, 2024 15:31:28 GMT -5
For those who do travel to Florida to play games, could you confirm this... I recently spoke with a parent whose child plays ECNL (U15-U18) about the typical costs for a weekend soccer trip to Florida. They shared this breakdown, emphasizing that costs can vary depending on specific choices. Here's a general idea: Flight: $300 (round trip for you and your child) Hotel: $300 (2 nights at an ECNL-mandated hotel) Car rental: $100 Food & snacks: $200 (no alcohol) Team activities: $100 Total: Approximately $1,000 I would put that on the low in...probably $1K - $1500 depending on where in FL, etc Travel is super expensive. This is exactly why I said $10K -15K per year per kid with all the showcases (mandatory and club choice). Parents need to understand that there are minimal soccer scholarships if any. We stopped chasing clubs or leagues for college or recruitment. Let the kids have fun and develop. There are lot of open spots, especially for girls. |
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