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Post by Keeper on Aug 6, 2015 18:49:58 GMT -5
Not likely, but CF has them listed as U12 with GA Soccer so everyone really knows. I'm sure CFC Red Star, SSA, AFU, NASA and UFA have a team or two playing up but they aren't listed. Example from U13 Athena B: Concorde Fire North Elite (12) Kinda hard not to see that and go "aww shucks!!!" My daughter is playing on one of the 2 CF u12 teams in Athena B. We were told in May that this was happening. We were definitely not asked our opinion. I know many of the parents, myself included, were concerned about playing up. We scrimmaged two u13 team in May and one this past weekend. The girls we played were much bigger and more physical. That being said, we one each game by at least a three goal margin, including 6-2 against a team that is in Athena C, and would likely be in n B were it not for the two u12 play ups. Our parents have decided, after a good bit of talk, to buy in, find the positives of playing up, but keep our eyes open. We shall see. Good luck with your season! Hopefully it works out for you all but I do know one of the Athena C teams that'll see you guys in the spring after blowing through the C Bracket.
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Post by Soccerhouse on Aug 6, 2015 19:06:47 GMT -5
Just confused why the 2 rising Concorde girls teams can't play UFA Tiphat Afu NASA Ssa Afc's
From their own age group? Am I missing something here?
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Post by allthingsoccer on Aug 6, 2015 19:31:55 GMT -5
As a parent of one of the U12 C2 teams... All of us parents had a long talk about it as well. We decided to play up in tournaments last year to see how the boys would handle the size difference, speed etc... The boys held their own and the games really challenged them. From losses or wins by 1 or 2 points. Instead of wins by 5 or 8 points.
We all felt that the boys grew by playing kids at their level of play. Yes, we had teams in our age group that could challenge but for some reason never got scheduled or our games would get canceled.
As for touches on the ball for development goes... That's all we do during practice. Small sided games and touching drills. Speaking for our team... I dont see the big difference between the touches from 8v8 to 11v11 if you play possession style soccer. I think the shape collapses much faster in 8v8 which could lend itself to kicking the ball down the field more (cause they all have a leg). In 11v11 it allows the players to open up much wider, develop the play, and move the ball down the field.
I just want to see close challenging games. If a win comes out in the end, then its a bonus.
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Post by shapo on Aug 6, 2015 19:33:08 GMT -5
Just confused why the 2 rising Concorde girls teams can't play UFA Tiphat Afu NASA Ssa Afc's From their own age group? Am I missing something here? Well...other than UFA, we did consistantly beat all the other teams. However, not by large margins. Honestly though, I asked our coach the same question. If we had been blowing teams out that would be one thing. I'm not really sure. The line the team is taking is that better competition will make the girls stronger indiviually and as a team.
Based on the brackets it looks like we may have to travel further than we normally do for regular season. If you couple that with loses to bigger, stronger teams, you may have some unhappy parents on our team.
Again, we shall see.
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Post by Keeper on Aug 6, 2015 19:33:34 GMT -5
Just confused why the 2 rising Concorde girls teams can't play UFA Tiphat Afu NASA Ssa Afc's From their own age group? Am I missing something here? Stop with that crazy logical thinking! Haha you know those academy directors could never agree on that.
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Post by Soccerhouse on Aug 6, 2015 19:36:35 GMT -5
Just confused why the 2 rising Concorde girls teams can't play UFA Tiphat Afu NASA Ssa Afc's From their own age group? Am I missing something here? Stop with that crazy logical thinking! Haha you know those academy directors could never agree on that. I should have prefaced it with " in a perfect world".........
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Post by Keeper on Aug 6, 2015 19:42:48 GMT -5
Stop with that crazy logical thinking! Haha you know those academy directors could never agree on that. I should have prefaced it with " in a perfect world"......... In a world in which GA Soccer makes a U12 11v11 bracket so they can fight errr I mean play it out??
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Post by ilove8amgames on Aug 6, 2015 19:51:07 GMT -5
I understand there are a few on here who may still be experiencing raw emotion and I do emphathize with you. And there are others who can't get beyond the competitive nature of sport. I get that too.
But here's some of the research we looked at when making the decision to allow our child to play up at this level, it really hits the nail on the head and comes from an authorative source:
"The majority of soccer clubs across the nation have evolved into single-year age groupings. This is done predominantly for organizational and administrative reasons, even though single-year age groupings have nothing to do with player development. Indeed, two-year groupings . . . create a better environment for player development. U.S. Youth Soccer Player Development Model, p. 28 (Feb. 2012)"
There's plenty more research supporting this perspective if you research this issue.
Good luck this season and again, relax and enjoy the ride with your kids.
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Post by zizou on Aug 7, 2015 8:27:28 GMT -5
Nice observation about the defending world Champs. How do they do it in Spain, Italy, Brazil, France, Argentina You can probably use the interwebs as effectively as me to research such matters, but just as one more example. This is from a series of articles on the Norcal Premier Soccer website describing how the FFF (the only other federation I really care about, for obvious reasons) goes about youth training and development. They describe what starts to happen when players reach 13: Aime stressed only the development program for the players 13-15 years old in France. He is in charge of 128 coaches split into six regions. Players are identified at age 11 through districts and then regional teams. The best 20-30 players at age 13 go to the national training center in Clairefontaine. Please refer to the previous article to understand the youth setup at Clairefontaine. At this center and the other six centers, the players are educated with these concepts in mind: • To forget what is at stake • That results only come from the game • To respect the principles of playing soccer and play within the structure the coach gives you • Victory is the only goal • The first consideration is to be present (to become an impact player) in the game, to free yourself from your opponent, and to ask for the ball This provides the example of another top federation that believes in conditioning young athletes to believe that winning is extremely important. As other people have mentioned in this thread and other locations, learning how to manage the pressure associated with competition is good. I do not understand why some people think putting developing athletes and/or academics in these types of situations is a bad idea. To improve in a competitive environment you must learn to function in an intensely competitive environment. This is true for school, athletics, music, etc.
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Post by jash on Aug 7, 2015 11:41:40 GMT -5
This provides the example of another top federation that believes in conditioning young athletes to believe that winning is extremely important. As other people have mentioned in this thread and other locations, learning how to manage the pressure associated with competition is good. I do not understand why some people think putting developing athletes and/or academics in these types of situations is a bad idea. To improve in a competitive environment you must learn to function in an intensely competitive environment. This is true for school, athletics, music, etc. My biggest problem is the arms race it breeds -- 11v11 at U11, for example. Why not go ahead and move all the U12 teams up to U13, all the U13 teams up to U14, and so on? Would they be more challenged? Obviously not. Make it special, maybe one a year, and maybe you're talking about something reasonable. 5 playups (or more) at U13 is just "me too" mentality and it's growing and spreading like cancer, as some parents demand it because they've heard you can't be elite without it. And others talking about GA Soccer creating a U12 11v11 bracket for season play... I don't see that happening now because of the new USSF mandate of 9v9 at U12. But a real 9v9 bracket might help with the "well yeah we could get good competition but the other clubs won't play us" excuse. Seriously, ALL the clubs can't use that same reason, or it is just an excuse to sell the dream of playing up.
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Post by chelsea14 on Aug 7, 2015 12:08:16 GMT -5
I understand the desire is to play up at u12 to get more competition, and I do not have a problem with that. What I do not understand is why they have to play up at classic 2/Athena b, and how that became the starting point. Why shouldn’t the onus be put on the u12 teams playing up to win their division to move up to classic 2/Athena b? So start them in CL 3, or 4, or 5, They just want more competition right? Wouldn’t that accomplish this? Or is that not good enough?
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Post by shapo on Aug 7, 2015 12:10:56 GMT -5
This provides the example of another top federation that believes in conditioning young athletes to believe that winning is extremely important. As other people have mentioned in this thread and other locations, learning how to manage the pressure associated with competition is good. I do not understand why some people think putting developing athletes and/or academics in these types of situations is a bad idea. To improve in a competitive environment you must learn to function in an intensely competitive environment. This is true for school, athletics, music, etc. My biggest problem is the arms race it breeds -- 11v11 at U11, for example. Why not go ahead and move all the U12 teams up to U13, all the U13 teams up to U14, and so on? Would they be more challenged? Obviously not. Make it special, maybe one a year, and maybe you're talking about something reasonable. 5 playups (or more) at U13 is just "me too" mentality and it's growing and spreading like cancer, as some parents demand it because they've heard you can't be elite without it. And others talking about GA Soccer creating a U12 11v11 bracket for season play... I don't see that happening now because of the new USSF mandate of 9v9 at U12. But a real 9v9 bracket might help with the "well yeah we could get good competition but the other clubs won't play us" excuse. Seriously, ALL the clubs can't use that same reason, or it is just an excuse to sell the dream of playing up. That is where I am most confused. Nobody sold us the dream. It was just presented to us as a done deal. The majority of the team has played together for three years and we were already set to play 11v11 in u12 academy. I usually say when I don't understand a clubs decision to "follow the money" but I have lost the trail here.
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Post by jash on Aug 7, 2015 13:07:29 GMT -5
When recruiting players, these clubs absolutely sell the fact that they train kids so well that they regularly play up, that they advance to 11v11 early, and many other things, like scholarships.
This is not hearsay, this is what they say. I'm sure they don't have to sell it to everyone who is fully bought-in, but it's used for recruitment and retention.
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Post by zizou on Aug 7, 2015 13:45:41 GMT -5
This provides the example of another top federation that believes in conditioning young athletes to believe that winning is extremely important. As other people have mentioned in this thread and other locations, learning how to manage the pressure associated with competition is good. I do not understand why some people think putting developing athletes and/or academics in these types of situations is a bad idea. To improve in a competitive environment you must learn to function in an intensely competitive environment. This is true for school, athletics, music, etc. My biggest problem is the arms race it breeds -- 11v11 at U11, for example. Why not go ahead and move all the U12 teams up to U13, all the U13 teams up to U14, and so on? Would they be more challenged? Obviously not. Make it special, maybe one a year, and maybe you're talking about something reasonable. 5 playups (or more) at U13 is just "me too" mentality and it's growing and spreading like cancer, as some parents demand it because they've heard you can't be elite without it. And others talking about GA Soccer creating a U12 11v11 bracket for season play... I don't see that happening now because of the new USSF mandate of 9v9 at U12. But a real 9v9 bracket might help with the "well yeah we could get good competition but the other clubs won't play us" excuse. Seriously, ALL the clubs can't use that same reason, or it is just an excuse to sell the dream of playing up. Not sure what my post had to do with your concern, although the thread does appear to have spread out a bit. I would make two comments, though. First, there is what is best for the development of soccer players. Proper development at the youngest ages will help determine the number of players that may be able to qualify as truly "elite" by the time they get to U13 or so. That is what these federations are hoping to optimize/maximize. It is the same as trying to develop an educational system that will benefit a constituency. Second, just because there are individuals that are really salespeople in the guise of soccer coaches who will take advantage to exploit a situation for personal gain (and I am in no way saying that is what is happening at all the clubs you are referencing) does not mean the developmental objectives are wrong. The one does not lead to the other. The first is formulated in the best interests of optimally developing the largest number of possibly elite level players. The second is a moral/ethical matter as it is presently framed.
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Post by soccergator on Aug 7, 2015 14:14:10 GMT -5
As others I'm sure do, I have great trust in our director. He was adamant about not playing u13, so we did not. End of story. The only thing we questioned was who are we going to play, neither our coach nor director were concerned. They understand the process and that the boys are 11 not 15.
One reason I'm totally jealous though --- they will get to play a full Athena/Classic schedule, while other teams playing academy u12 11v11 will be victims to El Nino!
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Post by allthingsoccer on Aug 7, 2015 14:50:21 GMT -5
Yeah we only played 5 games this past Spring. You would think if it was "all" about development then all the games on would have been made up. I know we tried calling 4 teams to reschedule and got no return calls or emails. One wanted too but just couldn't fit it in.
I wish they (GA soccer) had set games for younger age groups. Try and control the younger age groups from the start. I know Texas has started doing set schedules and hear its working out pretty well for them.
I think next year things will be different (hope so). Anyways, looking forward to watching some good games this weekend. Some pretty good match-ups.
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Post by jash on Aug 7, 2015 14:51:36 GMT -5
One reason I'm totally jealous though --- they will get to play a full Athena/Classic schedule, while other teams playing academy u12 11v11 will be victims to El Nino! Ugh, don't be too jealous. Tell me that when you're traveling 2.5 hours to play a last-second weeknight game on a school night... taking the kids out early to make it in time, and getting home far too late and exhausted.
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Post by allthingsoccer on Aug 10, 2015 7:19:48 GMT -5
Do you think the CF tournament results helped determine the U13 brackets? Some teams did good and others not so good.
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Post by Soccerhouse on Aug 10, 2015 8:20:59 GMT -5
I'm just mad I couldn't go watch the boys u13 concorde north vs u13 concorde central game. Probably was a great game. A lot of talent on the pitch for that one!
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Post by allthingsoccer on Aug 10, 2015 9:49:47 GMT -5
That was a great game. North missed some opportunities but it was a great battle. The level of play was pretty high. The CF U12 battle was pretty good as well.
Seems like a lot of talent from all the teams across the board for U12 and U13.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 15, 2015 11:19:14 GMT -5
Preliminary fall schedules can be viewed in the Affinity mobile app.
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Post by Keeper on Aug 17, 2015 11:34:18 GMT -5
Preliminary fall schedules can be viewed in the Affinity mobile app. Looks like they figured that out and took it down from the mobile site. Or more whining from clubs about dates and travel so they're redoing them again...
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Post by leem on Aug 17, 2015 12:34:51 GMT -5
They had U13 Classsic 3-5 and U14 - U19 up for a while this weekend. U13-CL1 & CL2 never showed up, just a null error message. I notice they took the "Schedules released to field assignors" event off the GA Soccer website as if it never existed. Maybe it will be up today as originally scheduled?
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Post by Deleted on Aug 17, 2015 15:04:55 GMT -5
Weird...I can still see the schedules in the mobile app (even U13 Classic I and II).
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Post by Keeper on Aug 17, 2015 15:09:53 GMT -5
Weird...I can still see the schedules in the mobile app (even U13 Classic I and II). Yeah they just put them back up about an hour ago
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Post by reinalocura on Aug 17, 2015 17:53:17 GMT -5
The pairings should only be available to the TMs. Anything you can see right now is very suspect and subject to change.
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Post by rifle on Aug 17, 2015 18:06:29 GMT -5
Nice observation about the defending world Champs. How do they do it in Spain, Italy, Brazil, France, Argentina You can probably use the interwebs as effectively as me to research such matters, but just as one more example. This is from a series of articles on the Norcal Premier Soccer website describing how the FFF (the only other federation I really care about, for obvious reasons) goes about youth training and development. They describe what starts to happen when players reach 13: Aime stressed only the development program for the players 13-15 years old in France. He is in charge of 128 coaches split into six regions. Players are identified at age 11 through districts and then regional teams. The best 20-30 players at age 13 go to the national training center in Clairefontaine. Please refer to the previous article to understand the youth setup at Clairefontaine. At this center and the other six centers, the players are educated with these concepts in mind: • To forget what is at stake • That results only come from the game • To respect the principles of playing soccer and play within the structure the coach gives you • Victory is the only goal • The first consideration is to be present (to become an impact player) in the game, to free yourself from your opponent, and to ask for the ball This provides the example of another top federation that believes in conditioning young athletes to believe that winning is extremely important. As other people have mentioned in this thread and other locations, learning how to manage the pressure associated with competition is good. I do not understand why some people think putting developing athletes and/or academics in these types of situations is a bad idea. To improve in a competitive environment you must learn to function in an intensely competitive environment. This is true for school, athletics, music, etc. Sounds very cool
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