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Post by Soccerhouse on Oct 7, 2015 8:23:44 GMT -5
"Around the world, if a player plays poorly and a player has a bad string of results, they get dropped from the team," Donovan said. "Jurgen said many times he wants our players to feel pressure -- so if they lose a game they can't go to the grocery store the next day. If they lose a game, they are getting hammered in the press. "Well, the same holds true for the coach, and so we had a very poor summer with bad results in the Gold Cup. The last game against Brazil was probably the worst game I've seen them play under Jurgen. "The reality is that now, anywhere else in the world, if this coach had those results, and they lose this game against Mexico, they'd be fired. I think if Jurgen wants to hold all the players to that standard, then he has to be held to that standard, too." www.socceramerica.com/article/65993/landon-donovan-wants-klinsmann-to-be-held-accounta.html
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Post by rifle on Oct 7, 2015 17:22:13 GMT -5
Sure wish he
1- never left everton
2- didn't take time off in his prime
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Post by reinalocura on Oct 8, 2015 6:43:52 GMT -5
Sounds like he wants that job. Just sayin
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Post by SoccerMom on Oct 8, 2015 6:59:03 GMT -5
Not a fan of Landon....
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Post by zizou on Oct 8, 2015 11:46:51 GMT -5
Come on man! LD is the best player we have ever had. I saw something yesterday about Mexico fans being interviewed concerning their confidence for Saturday's game. They were feeling very confident in a Mexico victory. You know the supposed #1 reason for their confidence that Mexico will beat the USMNT? No Landon Donovan! Even Mexico begrudgingly values the dude. I am also feeling confident in a Mexico victory unfortunately, but the reasons are much much deeper than the retirement of our greatest field player ever.
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Post by jack4343 on Oct 8, 2015 14:01:27 GMT -5
I'd love to see ol' Don Ovan involved somehow with the USMNT but it will never happen with Juergen there. Perhaps if he wasn't....
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Post by Soccerhouse on Oct 8, 2015 14:05:53 GMT -5
Spray Dan has a better chance than Don Ovan.....
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Post by SoccerMom on Oct 9, 2015 9:16:24 GMT -5
Come on man! LD is the best player we have ever had. I saw something yesterday about Mexico fans being interviewed concerning their confidence for Saturday's game. They were feeling very confident in a Mexico victory. You know the supposed #1 reason for their confidence that Mexico will beat the USMNT? No Landon Donovan! Even Mexico begrudgingly values the dude. I am also feeling confident in a Mexico victory unfortunately, but the reasons are much much deeper than the retirement of our greatest field player ever. I just never saw the big hoopla about him, the worst thing he ever did was take his hiatus and then attempt at a comeback. I watched the ESPN special before they picked the team and he was at training camp and he even commented a couple of times how out of shape he was and he didn't think he would make the team -- he couldn't keep up. If LD is the best player we have ever had, then we have a LONG way to go. He is just running his mouth now because he's still bitter, I dont think he would make a good USMNT coach, when he went on his "indefinite hiatus from both the USMNT and the LA Galaxy", in my eyes he just didnt have the drive nor the love for the game. He wanted to spend more time with his family and thats great! I have a lot of respect for that, but his opinions on this just make me roll my eyes
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Post by zizou on Oct 9, 2015 9:33:29 GMT -5
I just never saw the big hoopla about him, the worst thing he ever did was take his hiatus and then attempt at a comeback. I watched the ESPN special before they picked the team and he was at training camp and he even commented a couple of times how out of shape he was and he didn't think he would make the team -- he couldn't keep up. If LD is the best player we have ever had, then we have a LONG way to go. He is just running his mouth now because he's still bitter, I dont think he would make a good USMNT coach, when he went on his "indefinite hiatus from both the USMNT and the LA Galaxy", in my eyes he just didnt have the drive nor the love for the game. He wanted to spend more time with his family and thats great! I have a lot of respect for that, but his opinions on this just make me roll my eyes Yea, we had a similar discussion on this point before the World Cup when you thought Julian Green was the next big thing (not to say I told you so or anything!). I do not know LDs motivation. I separate LD as a player from LD as a pontificator. He is the only field player the USA have ever produced, who, at any time during his playing career, could legitimately be called World Class. The only one that had a chance, during the few years of his absolute peak, to make the roster on any Top 10 International side. That is what I am talking about. Not the end of his career, not the fact that he needed a break, not the fact that he did absolutely disrespect the World Cup preparation process by showing up out of shape, not his commentary duties. Only this one thing. But I think that is a pretty big deal. The other reason I bring it up is because I really do think he is the ONLY ONE. We have had no one else of his quality as a field player (keepers are a different story). Ramos no. Dempsey no. Bradley no. We have some good players, ones that make a difference if they are not in the USMNT, but no one else who has ever been truly World Class. Telling really as to why we have problems as a Nation competing at the very top level of the Men's game.
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Post by SoccerMom on Oct 9, 2015 9:38:16 GMT -5
Well played zizou, well played.... I get bored watching the men play, they are just not into it as the women are. Hoping that the younger players can make a difference for us i in the near future, there is some good talent brewing
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Post by rifle on Oct 9, 2015 10:29:30 GMT -5
I agree that Landon the pontificator is bitter and therefore jaded.
It isn't JKs fault that US Soccer structure glorifies college soccer (instead of turning pro with the rest of your global peers)... basically "flat spotting" the player development curve with a 3.5 month season during key development years.
Structural changes are necessary and JK has been a proponent of them. Despite what LD says, it will not benefit the nation to fire JK for another guy that must pull from the same crop with the same limitations. No amount of genius can impart years of soccer ability in a couple weeks of national team camp.
That's why the JK picks players from other countries. They are better players.
There has always been good talent brewing here.
The head coach of the national team isn't the guy stifling the situation.
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Post by totaalvoetbal on Oct 9, 2015 14:14:19 GMT -5
I'd like to go ahead and disagree with most the peeps here. Landon is definitely the greatest American player to be on the field. Statistics show that. You can argue if he was the most skilled and such, but he is the greatest statistical player we have ever had. He dealt with motivation and depression issues at the end of his career, which is completely understandable given the amount of pressure he had on him. I don't think that should taint his legacy at all.
Klinsi has talked about all this changing of the American youth system and not much has changed in terms of playing style or anything. In my opinion, the MLS is doing more good for youth soccer than Klinsi is. The full national team is about the same pedigree as it always has. There is plenty of talent in America that Klinsi ignores like Feilhaber, Nguyen, Finlay, etc.
Klinsmann needs to leave if we lose big here mainly because he has no created any sort of semblance of an identity in our style of play. There is no continuity and his experiments have not paid off at all. The highest profile one is Bradley at a more advanced playmaking role and that is not very smooth at all. I don't like changing coaches often, but a big loss and he needs to go. Really I think he needs to go regardless, but maybe doesn't deserve it.
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Post by ilove8amgames on Oct 11, 2015 9:20:51 GMT -5
LD is sour grapes. Period.
Oh, and he is statistically the best USM player. Good for him. Tallest on a team of midgets. He's very good, don't get me wrong. Better than me. But he, along with Altidore, Bradley, Dempsey, et al are low rent world players.
JK is the only hope for the US program. As someone said earlier, our culture promotes college soccer, not professionals. He sees it. He's done a great job trying to make chicken salad with chicken ... well, you know what.
My kid's "elite" team coach held a parent meeting after my kid's U12 team was destroyed. Parents wanted his head. He calmly said if you think my boys are at the same talent level as that team we played, you're nuts. He turned to the kids practicing behind him and said, this team in the next few years will be playing and beating the top teams, BUT YOUR KID LIKELY WILL NOT BE ON IT.
Fast forward 3 years, only 1 kids remains from that team (mine, thankfully). And guess what, now that they have recruited top talent, that team is competing with and beating the best of the best. Same goes for USMNT. Need better talent.
Go home LD and polish your little MLS trophies.
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Post by youthsoccerdad on Oct 11, 2015 10:36:58 GMT -5
LD is sour grapes. Period. Oh, and he is statistically the best USM player. Good for him. Tallest on a team of midgets. He's very good, don't get me wrong. Better than me. But he, along with Altidore, Bradley, Dempsey, et al are low rent world players. JK is the only hope for the US program. As someone said earlier, our culture promotes college soccer, not professionals. He sees it. He's done a great job trying to make chicken salad with chicken ... well, you know what. My kid's "elite" team coach held a parent meeting after my kid's U12 team was destroyed. Parents wanted his head. He calmly said if you think my boys are at the same talent level as that team we played, you're nuts. He turned to the kids practicing behind him and said, this team in the next few years will be playing and beating the top teams, BUT YOUR KID LIKELY WILL NOT BE ON IT. Fast forward 3 years, only 1 kids remains from that team (mine, thankfully). And guess what, now that they have recruited top talent, that team is competing with and beating the best of the best. Same goes for USMNT. Need better talent. Go home LD and polish your little MLS trophies. If you complain about LD polishing his little MLS trophies or whatever ramble you had then please don't transition into some stupid story about your kids "elite" team.
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Post by totaalvoetbal on Oct 12, 2015 15:23:47 GMT -5
Yeah I think your anti-USMNT view is clouding your vision there man. I'm not 100% sure that Klinsmann has done enough to really say that he is the "only hope" for the US program...
He has a solid record overall, definitely. He talks of playing "good" possession oriented soccer where we take the games to our opponents. I haven't really seen that. We have technical players in our player pool who may not be game changers, but they can allow for the USMNT to play a more free-flowing style of soccer at a high level. That is my biggest beef with him. Is he helping out USYNT? Well maybe? Our U-23s don't play good soccer and may not make the olympics. The U-20s and U-17s have really good talent, but there doesn't seem to be a consistent style implemented amongst all levels of the US Soccer pyramid, something Klinsi said would happen. We are about 6 years into his reign and I would've thought we would have seen more improvement or changes by now.
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