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Post by SoccerMom on Oct 28, 2015 11:44:04 GMT -5
Hopefully this time the webinar will work.... Please be our guest on Friday, November 6 at the Georgia Soccer offices for a town hall discussion of the changes coming to youth soccer in 2016. We will be covering the U.S. Soccer mandated changes, including the adoption of small-sided games and the move to calendar year based age groups. The Georgia Soccer plan for adopting these changes will be outlined at this meeting. Town Hall Meeting Friday, November 6 11:00 AM Georgia Soccer Offices 2323 Perimeter Park Drive Atlanta, GA 30341 -or- GoToMeeting Web Conference global.gotomeeting.com/join/789749109You can also dial in using your phone. United States : +1 (657) 220-3412 Access Code: 789-749-109
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Post by Soccerhouse on Nov 6, 2015 10:29:01 GMT -5
bump as a reminder to all to "click in"
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Post by Soccerhouse on Nov 6, 2015 11:12:13 GMT -5
Great point from the crowd - max field sizes specifically for the u9s are too small.
"these are guidelines, nobody will be out there with a tape measure" -- we are reducing the square footage by 35% and adding a player, it does the opposite of what is supposed to do. we have already done this, and its just a shooting fest.....doesn't make sense. (some clubs have tested this already and its too small)
georgia soccer board recommended waiting to 2017 for small sided and field changes..
discussion on build out line for 9s/10s - big question was rules for violating the build out line. Does keeper get yellow card for punting for example.. One thing I didn't realize was when ever the keeper touches the ball during the game play, opposing team must back up behind build up line.
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Post by reinalocura on Nov 6, 2015 11:27:14 GMT -5
This whole thing has NOT been thought out at an appropriate level. The level of insanity which is going to follow the attempt to follow rules / guidelines / field sizes which have not yet been solidified until a meeting in DECEMBER is going to put the youth organizations under tons of stress.
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Post by Soccerhouse on Nov 6, 2015 11:33:28 GMT -5
Wow - RPL will go to younger age not older age. Did I hear that right?
Very good conversation! and it validates all our concerns, they are discussing all the issues we've discussed..
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Post by reinalocura on Nov 6, 2015 11:37:42 GMT -5
Wow - RPL will go to younger age not older age. Did I hear that right? I think so...
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Post by SoccerMom on Nov 6, 2015 11:39:33 GMT -5
Wow - RPL will go to younger age not older age. Did I hear that right? Very good conversation! and it validates all our concerns, they are discussing all the issues we've discussed.. I heard the same thing....
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Post by reinalocura on Nov 6, 2015 11:46:48 GMT -5
National League has approved it. RPL needs to vote.
That's what I just heard. Yes?
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Post by jash on Nov 6, 2015 11:48:30 GMT -5
Great point from the crowd - max field sizes specifically for the u9s are too small. "these are guidelines, nobody will be out there with a tape measure" -- we are reducing the square footage by 35% and adding a player, it does the opposite of what is supposed to do. we have already done this, and its just a shooting fest.....doesn't make sense. (some clubs have tested this already and its too small) georgia soccer board recommended waiting to 2017 for small sided and field changes.. discussion on build out line for 9s/10s - big question was rules for violating the build out line. Does keeper get yellow card for punting for example.. One thing I didn't realize was when ever the keeper touches the ball during the game play, opposing team must back up behind build up line. Sweet. Get up by one goal. Pass the ball back to your keeper. He stops it with his feet and stands there the rest of the game. That'll be fun.
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Post by reinalocura on Nov 6, 2015 11:52:38 GMT -5
Apparently the best place to be is AT THE GA SOCCER OFFICE due to all the side conversations occurring.
Impossible to know which conversation to try to listen to...
Even better - talking 02's and my son is there. And their discussion is directly impacting players on my son's team.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 6, 2015 11:53:49 GMT -5
In the comments, there was this question: Has it been considered to maybe implement this for U8 now and just move the rule up with that age group... doesnt efeect older teams that have been building for years?
and this response from GA Soccer: That is an element being discussed.
Comment: Georgia Soccer should just choose to leave all existing U13+ Athena/Classic teams and brackets as is. The shuffling and movement of players and teams, especially in rural areas, has generally resulted in a 'steady state' where everyone who wants to play can play. Changing this will quite likely leave players without teams, and that's the worst possible scenario.
Response: that is an option.
Other notes: There will be a "U20" age group added to prevent teams from losing a year due to rule changes, 2002's will have a spring season.
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Post by Soccerhouse on Nov 6, 2015 11:58:01 GMT -5
Georgia Soccer -The plan is not to change the age groups until the 2017/2018 season, so you wouldn't see a change until then.
Georgia Soccer -RPL will be voting soon. The plan is to hold til 17/18.
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Post by zizou on Nov 6, 2015 12:14:52 GMT -5
Georgia Soccer -The plan is not to change the age groups until the 2017/2018 season, so you wouldn't see a change until then. Georgia Soccer -RPL will be voting soon. The plan is to hold til 17/18. Wait, so even though USYSA and US Club Soccer stated they will implement new age groupings at start of 2016-2017, that is not happening now?
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Post by Soccerhouse on Nov 6, 2015 12:16:27 GMT -5
Thats what was confusing to me also! Folks were asking questions and making comments still about implemenation for next year, but in the chat section, georgia soccer responded to a question with that: Georgia Soccer -The plan is not to change the age groups until the 2017/2018 season, so you wouldn't see a change until then.
Georgia Soccer -RPL will be voting soon. The plan is to hold til 17/18.
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Post by zizou on Nov 6, 2015 12:26:26 GMT -5
Whacky. In their posted slides it still says they are changing age groupings for 2016-2017 but not doing anything with small sided initiatives until 2017-2018.
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Post by spectator on Nov 6, 2015 12:45:18 GMT -5
Georgia Soccer -The plan is not to change the age groups until the 2017/2018 season, so you wouldn't see a change until then.
Georgia Soccer -RPL will be voting soon. The plan is to hold til 17/18. So yes or no - for tryouts this coming June for older Select/Athena teams, it'll be the same as it was last year but in June 2017 it goes by calendar birthday? Or will GA Soccer consider not changing anything at all for older teams until they age out? Reading conflicting things on this thread
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Post by SoccerMom on Nov 6, 2015 12:52:58 GMT -5
Georgia Soccer -The plan is not to change the age groups until the 2017/2018 season, so you wouldn't see a change until then. Georgia Soccer -RPL will be voting soon. The plan is to hold til 17/18. Wait, so even though USYSA and US Club Soccer stated they will implement new age groupings at start of 2016-2017, that is not happening now? They sd they will wait to see what RPL does first
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Post by SoccerMom on Nov 6, 2015 13:01:13 GMT -5
Georgia Soccer -The plan is not to change the age groups until the 2017/2018 season, so you wouldn't see a change until then.
Georgia Soccer -RPL will be voting soon. The plan is to hold til 17/18. So yes or no - for tryouts this coming June for older Select/Athena teams, it'll be the same as it was last year but in June 2017 it goes by calendar birthday? Or will GA Soccer consider not changing anything at all for older teams until they age out? Reading conflicting things on this thread Ga soccer sd theyre not making ANY decisions now, theyre taking everything into consideration and will have another meeting in Dec
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Post by Soccerhouse on Nov 6, 2015 13:04:40 GMT -5
hum -- well so much for that. Age switch is for next year!
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Post by letissier on Nov 6, 2015 13:55:08 GMT -5
The proposal for 2002 U15's for the 2016/17 season, was that they would have a Spring season made up of friendlies and not have promotion or relegation as some of the old 2002's will want to play high school in the spring and would not be available or games.
If they take this forward, the clubs will need to think through how they structure the fees. Will they charge U15's for the full year, or, will they charge for the fall and you can decide if you want to play for the team in friendlies in the spring?
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Post by SoccerMom on Nov 6, 2015 14:02:33 GMT -5
The proposal for 2002 U15's for the 2016/17 season, was that they would have a Spring season made up of friendlies and not have promotion or relegation as some of the old 2002's will want to play high school in the spring and would not be available or games.
If they take this forward, the clubs will need to think through how they structure the fees. Will they charge U15's for the full year, or, will they charge for the fall and you can decide if you want to play for the team in friendlies in the spring?
U15 and up has always been 1/2 price. If all theyre going to schedule is friendlies to keep the team playing every now and then before state cup, then teams can just pay ref fees for those games.
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Post by letissier on Nov 6, 2015 15:13:11 GMT -5
They proposed that when teams split in two, that the higher age group get to keep the slot in the league (assuming they keep 50%+1).
Some clubs had done some analysis on the age split between teams and said that the higher the level of the team, the higher the percentage of older players in the current age bracket. So they thought it likely they would then keep 50%+1.
They also thought it would be an incentive for the younger players to play up, so that things in current teams are more likely to stay as they are.
They said that players on lower level teams (C/D or 3/4) would be less concerned about the level they ended up on, and would be more concerned about playing with their friends.
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Post by touchlinedad on Nov 6, 2015 15:33:40 GMT -5
This is really going to cause problems for current U12 teams next fall. You have kids with fall 03 birthdays who will be forced to skip U13 completely and go straight to U14 while 04's will move up to U13. For the top teams, it will be interesting to see if their club keeps the current U12 teams intact and move them up to U14 or split the teams. My son is a U12 and he has been playing with the core of his U12 team since U9. At least 8 players have been together since U9 and they have formed a really strong team whose future is now uncertain. Initially, I thought it would be easy to keep the team together under the initial age chart but with the revised age chart, it's going to be more difficult. Very frustrating.
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Post by Soccerhouse on Nov 6, 2015 15:37:30 GMT -5
one thing they did say at the very end is U14 will be the new u13, and unless I heard/interpreted this wrong, u14 will be the new age of the start of classic/athena etc. anyone else hear that at the end???
Forgot also - don't forget the huge huge impact u12/u13 DA will have on the 2003/2004s - each DA u12 team will carry 26 kids! and for right now as of Nov 6, 2015 for DA, 2004s will be u12s for 2016/2017 season.
They stated they expect 3 DA teams for u12.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 6, 2015 15:44:52 GMT -5
They proposed that when teams split in two, that the higher age group get to keep the slot in the league (assuming they keep 50%+1).
Some clubs had done some analysis on the age split between teams and said that the higher the level of the team, the higher the percentage of older players in the current age bracket. So they thought it likely they would then keep 50%+1.
They also thought it would be an incentive for the younger players to play up, so that things in current teams are more likely to stay as they are.
They said that players on lower level teams (C/D or 3/4) would be less concerned about the level they ended up on, and would be more concerned about
Hopefully there's some flexibility with this. There's an Athena A team at our club with almost all younger players. If that team plays in the lower age group, it wouldn't make sense to put them any lower than A. Should Georgia Soccer make them play up when they'll likely have a strong shot at RPL in the younger age group?
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Post by youthsoccerdad on Nov 6, 2015 16:47:36 GMT -5
i am glad they are moving ahead with the age changes.
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Post by hotspur1 on Nov 6, 2015 17:57:01 GMT -5
i am glad they are moving ahead with the age changes. At the risk of derailing this thread, I'm curious to hear your reasons why you are glad this is happening? I'm on the other side and can't really see what this will "fix".
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Post by soccrballr on Nov 6, 2015 18:24:56 GMT -5
i am glad they are moving ahead with the age changes. At the risk of derailing this thread, I'm curious to hear your reasons why you are glad this is happening? I'm on the other side and can't really see what this will "fix". Probably has a late spring or summer baby who will benefit... That's the driving force for most people who are happy about this. I have kids on either end of the calendar, so I don't have a preference on that front. I can, however, see how the fall-born kids are getting screwed in multiple ways that are unrelated to age.
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Post by youthsoccerdad on Nov 6, 2015 18:42:24 GMT -5
i am glad they are moving ahead with the age changes. At the risk of derailing this thread, I'm curious to hear your reasons why you are glad this is happening? I'm on the other side and can't really see what this will "fix". I think pulling the bandaid off is the best way for everyone to get closure and move on to a new topic.
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Post by youthsoccerdad on Nov 6, 2015 18:45:39 GMT -5
At the risk of derailing this thread, I'm curious to hear your reasons why you are glad this is happening? I'm on the other side and can't really see what this will "fix". Probably has a late spring or summer baby who will benefit... That's the driving force for most people who are happy about this. I have kids on either end of the calendar, so I don't have a preference on that front. I can, however, see how the fall-born kids are getting screwed in multiple ways that are unrelated to age. My kids fall on both sides. One March and one October. I still have not bought into kids getting screwed, I think everything will be fine once folks have time to work through some solutions.
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