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Post by rifle on Nov 3, 2015 18:12:30 GMT -5
In Tuesday's E:60 investigation (ESPN, 8 p.m. ET), former U.S. national team star Julie Foudy examines the use of crumb rubber on synthetic turf fields by talking to those who make it, those who have studied it, including an exclusive interview with the head of the EPA, and the people who play on it every day -- all with one question in mind: Is turf safe?
I also heard some congressman has given the EPA a deadline... in a couple weeks to make a declaration regarding safety.
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Post by rifle on Nov 3, 2015 21:22:28 GMT -5
Segment started at 8:30. Old story, no answers. Sure looks like GK training on turf is a very bad idea, due to repeatesly breathing the air at ground level. EPA and Congress were mentioned but head of EPA offered nothing when asked.
The story of the little boy who was on afterward, with a skin condition that makes any contact have the effect of a 3rd degree burn, was gut wrenching...
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Post by soccrballr on Nov 4, 2015 12:39:00 GMT -5
Segment started at 8:30. Old story, no answers. Sure looks like GK training on turf is a very bad idea, due to repeatesly breathing the air at ground level. EPA and Congress were mentioned but head of EPA offered nothing when asked. The story of the little boy who was on afterward, with a skin condition that makes any contact have the effect of a 3rd degree burn, was gut wrenching... The apparent effect on goalkeepers ha always stuck me as strange. If there's a real effect, it seems like it should be apparent in football players, particularly lineman, who crawl and roll around in this stuff all the time. And yet I haven't heard anything about risks of playing on turf with crumb rubber for (American) football players.
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Post by rifle on Nov 4, 2015 18:16:11 GMT -5
Pointyball players are tackled into the ground, absolutely. Soccer GK in training are on the ground over and over and over and over, though.
I wonder if there is an alternative to recycled tires that'd take this carcinogen thing out of the equation..
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Post by soccrballr on Nov 4, 2015 21:51:20 GMT -5
Pointyball players are tackled into the ground, absolutely. Soccer GK in training are on the ground over and over and over and over, though. I wonder if there is an alternative to recycled tires that'd take this carcinogen thing out of the equation.. Yeah, but lineman (for example) are down on the ground on just about every play. Just seems like there should be a detectable trend in football players, at least in certain positions, if there's an effect.
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Post by guest on Nov 5, 2015 11:56:54 GMT -5
Pointyball players are tackled into the ground, absolutely. Soccer GK in training are on the ground over and over and over and over, though. I wonder if there is an alternative to recycled tires that'd take this carcinogen thing out of the equation.. I'd say they were equivalent. Youth American Football players spend a lot of time on the turf. Tackling and blocking drills. Practicing three point stance. Being on the bottom of a dog pile. Time spent taking a knee. Heck, these kids are only 4' tall anyway when they're standing up! They are close enough to the turf, often enough, for there to be some of the same issues noticed by Association Football keepers. And there just isn't.
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Post by Keeper on Nov 5, 2015 14:12:55 GMT -5
Yeah but the numbers are completely different. There's probably 10X as many youth soccer players on turf then football players. I mean come on pee wee football just isn't that popular AND played on turf compared to places in Washington and Oregon where more kids play soccer and almost exclusively on turf.
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Post by SoccerMom on Nov 5, 2015 14:17:56 GMT -5
Pointyball players are tackled into the ground, absolutely. Soccer GK in training are on the ground over and over and over and over, though. I wonder if there is an alternative to recycled tires that'd take this carcinogen thing out of the equation.. I'd say they were equivalent. Youth American Football players spend a lot of time on the turf. Tackling and blocking drills. Practicing three point stance. Being on the bottom of a dog pile. Time spent taking a knee. Heck, these kids are only 4' tall anyway when they're standing up! They are close enough to the turf, often enough, for there to be some of the same issues noticed by Association Football keepers. And there just isn't. i have to agree.... I don't buy into this whole turf controversy, there's just not enough evidence
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Post by rifle on Nov 5, 2015 16:04:38 GMT -5
I think carcinogenic pellets are sufficient evidence to merit exploring other options for the fill material.
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Post by newposter on Nov 5, 2015 21:58:42 GMT -5
This is another example of big brother. Turf has been around since the early 1970s in some form. I played on it everyday for 4 years and no issues. So did many of my friends. Bunch of we know what's best for you...
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Post by zizou on Nov 6, 2015 8:21:48 GMT -5
I think carcinogenic pellets are sufficient evidence to merit exploring other options for the fill material. Sand is the best option. Still provides padding for players, ballast for turf, and support for turf fibers, but does not get to 130 def F on sunny days like those black rubber pellets. I suppose expense is what keeps it from being more widely used.
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Post by Soccerhouse on Nov 6, 2015 10:27:12 GMT -5
interesting story, needs a scientific study done. Given the popularity of the sport, your talking about close to 200,000 keepers a year? (very crude math from youth soccer statistics. just divided total number of players by 15). as brought up earlier, you would think running backs and offensive lineman would be at a huge risk as well. Running backs in particular, they are tackled to the ground on every play and literally eat those rubber pellets. To do it right, you would have to look at football, soccer and lacrosse athletes that utizlize turf fields. Atlanta has kids i'm sure that only train on turf and some that only train on grass. you have to be careful of spurious correlations and their interpretations though. I don't disagree with the science behind the association and the causation, but believe a real study needs to be done. Given the resources it could be done initially using a retrospective design and their is no reason a true prospective follow up couldn't be initiated. However, these studies are expensive and would need financial support and would be a great NIH funded study for a university/ government entity to take on. See the correlation below -- 99.79% correlation
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Post by soccerdad44 on Nov 6, 2015 13:29:13 GMT -5
This is another example of big brother. Turf has been around since the early 1970s in some form. I played on it everyday for 4 years and no issues. So did many of my friends. Bunch of we know what's best for you... No, this turf is new. I think this is it? en.wikipedia.org/wiki/FieldTurf
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