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Post by Deleted on Dec 6, 2015 13:09:54 GMT -5
I was at several fields this weekend for two tournaments. Parents seemed generally well behaved. One exception was a U10 boys game between Concorde North and a South Carolina team. A Concorde dad stood at the sideline (and sometimes over it) to yell instructions to players or to yell at the ref (offering his glasses and holding out his phone asking if she wanted to look up the rules). On free kicks he'd yell instructions on who should take the kick, who should push up, etc. To top it off, as a SC player was taking a penalty kick, he yelled an insult at him to try to distract him. Classy.
I didn't take a picture of him but he was wearing a Concorde jersey with a #7 on it. Unfortunately the ref just chose to ignore him instead of kick him out. Fortunately the SC team beat them by a bunch. Kudos to the girl who played with the SC team. She played very well.
(Edited to say that this was Concorde North Silver U10. Apparently Concorde North has multiple #7 U10s and I wouldn't want the wrong dad to take the blame.)
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Post by SoccerMom on Dec 6, 2015 16:53:22 GMT -5
I heard about that SC team, was told it was a super star team, not from a club but something they put together. Heard they're really good!
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Post by rifle on Dec 6, 2015 17:31:53 GMT -5
I was at several fields this weekend for two tournaments. Parents seemed generally well behaved. One exception was a U10 boys game between Concorde North and a South Carolina team. A Concorde dad stood at the sideline (and sometimes over it) to yell instructions to players or to yell at the ref (offering his glasses and holding out his phone asking if she wanted to look up the rules). On free kicks he'd yell instructions on who should take the kick, who should push up, etc. To top it off, as a SC player was taking a penalty kick, he yelled an insult at him to try to distract him. Classy. I didn't take a picture of him but he was wearing a Concorde jersey with a #7 on it. Unfortunately the ref just chose to ignore him instead of kick him out. Fortunately the SC team beat them by a bunch. Kudos to the girl who played with the SC team. She played very well. Unbelievable. And U10. Get a grip man. Tip: watch a game your kid isn't playing. Listen to the parents. Realize how easy it is being caught up in the emotion. Then think about how much better the kids (and refs) would do without your verbal jack assery.
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Post by fan on Dec 6, 2015 19:45:50 GMT -5
Classy indeed. So he wants to be a spectator, coach and ref. Give him a pair of cleats - with that jersey he can be a player too.
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Post by spectator on Dec 6, 2015 21:15:36 GMT -5
Parents really need to learn the rules of the game before they open their mouths. Offside not offsides. Every time the ball goes out of bounds, it's not your team's ball. And that soccer IS a contact sport but not all contact is a foul or brutish play by the other team.
Apparently they don't teach this in Florida based on the parents of the teams we played this weekend. Ridiculous. If we'd made a drinking game every time this one dad from the FL team yelled 'that should be a card' we'd have all been plastered by 1pm. We didn't of course and it was even more fun was watching him get so worked up every time we just laughed at his stupidity. He actually huffed off muttering 'I"m not going to sit here and take this'. Um ok - bye!
Refs did a good job at our tournament keeping play in check - no cards -lots of 'talking to's' and fouls but they did a good job and we all made a point to thank them. Referees were definitely overworked and in short supply this weekend.
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Post by Keeperkeeper on Dec 6, 2015 21:48:47 GMT -5
I think because it was a tournament weekend all of the crazies came out! I did not witness this one, but at Fowler, a fight apparently broke out at the end of a game. At Lakepoint a game had to be ended early because of parents . Lastly, while watching a u13 girls championship game we saw a game halted because of parent behavior that resulted in the linesman coming to tell parents on the sidelines that if he heard anything else from parents he would send the entire set of them off the field. We had great parents at my kid's games this weekend, but we did see and hear more foul language and ref bashing than usual it seemed.
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Post by Keeper on Dec 6, 2015 23:11:29 GMT -5
Down at McCurry this weekend and other then the usual GSA, Concorde, and AFU parents constantly whining for every call nothing to crazy. Actually had a great set of refs for the Friday/Saturday games unfortunately they were all out of St Louis, Mo so for the Sunday afternoon games we had locals that were burned out and ready to go home.
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Post by jash on Dec 6, 2015 23:15:32 GMT -5
If there is contact that isn't called, it's "Foul, ref!" If the ref calls the foul, it's "That's a yellow, ref!" If the ref shows the yellow card, it's "That should be a red, ref!" If the ref sends him off, I guess it's "Off with his head, ref!" Some people are never happy
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Post by soccerfutbolfam on Dec 7, 2015 6:24:21 GMT -5
This one....is for the parents...
Slightly not surprised about what happened at Fowler. That was the Adidas Tourn., right? We were over at another field and saw that it was a poorly run tournament... - and watched parents contain themselves as a ref asked one of the coaches how they should make calls.
All in all, our fields were good in regards to parents (including those crazy U10 parents...I know many of them well). Parents were getting along well on the sidelines. Even a few mentioned above - who are generally called out were very cordial to other parents, chatting with them and stating their delight in playing good opponents.
The worst part of this tournament wasn't the parents. It was the field organization due to refs not showing up, scores not being kept well by organizers and refs who really had no idea what they were doing and again - that was evident by one constantly asking a coach how they should make a call
Hats off the parents who paid for the tournament, received lackluster return for their money from the tourney (due to refs not showing and not being able to run the tourney scores well) and for keeping their cool in light of a ref who should never have been on the field.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 7, 2015 6:53:10 GMT -5
I heard about that SC team, was told it was a super star team, not from a club but something they put together. Heard they're really good! I think we're talking about two different SC teams. This team was in the 4th division of the GSA tournament. They were good but not super star.
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Post by th1976 on Dec 7, 2015 15:24:38 GMT -5
Down at McCurry this weekend and other then the usual GSA, Concorde, and AFU parents constantly whining for every call nothing to crazy. Actually had a great set of refs for the Friday/Saturday games unfortunately they were all out of St Louis, Mo so for the Sunday afternoon games we had locals that were burned out and ready to go home. Well, gee, lucky me, I must be with a GSA sideline that forgot we were supposed to whine. We'll do better next time.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 7, 2015 16:40:14 GMT -5
Down at McCurry this weekend and other then the usual GSA, Concorde, and AFU parents constantly whining for every call nothing to crazy. Actually had a great set of refs for the Friday/Saturday games unfortunately they were all out of St Louis, Mo so for the Sunday afternoon games we had locals that were burned out and ready to go home. Well, gee, lucky me, I must be with a GSA sideline that forgot we were supposed to whine. We'll do better next time. We must have forgotten too even though I was at McCurry. The team we played this season that did the most whining was from JumpJumpKeep's club - should I assume that all of their teams are like that ?
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Post by Keeper on Dec 7, 2015 18:34:27 GMT -5
Well, gee, lucky me, I must be with a GSA sideline that forgot we were supposed to whine. We'll do better next time. We must have forgotten too even though I was at McCurry. The team we played this season that did the most whining was from JumpJumpKeep's club - should I assume that all of their teams are like that ? Guarantee it wasn't any of our parents, they know better to complain or coach from the sidelines. Otherwise they're kid is asked to go play elsewhere. We don't put up with that BS plus our RPL parents hadn't seen each other since Oct so they were to busy socializing then even watching the games.
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Post by goteam on Dec 8, 2015 11:48:08 GMT -5
I don't point fingers at parents that say "EHHH.." or "OHHHH" when there is apparent fouls, off sides etc..
What IS quite unpleasant is hearing parents instructing their players to physically hurt the other team or yell directly at the ref as if they were nothing lower than a piece of dirt. What does this teach our kids? The next thing you know then the players start being verbally disrespectful to the refs too. It also just makes the sidelines toxic and takes the fun away. It is not one particular club .. it IS specific team's parents.
Luckily out of the 4 games played this weekend only 1 team had a few parents like this. One man actually stepped over the line to offer his pair of glasses to the ref! (keep it classy)
Any good team coach will put an end to it though. They are fully aware of what is going on on the sidelines. And classy/quality coaches make sure to keep parents in line. I remember a couple of years ago, a group of parents on another team at our Club were reported by a ref at a tournament. The coach had to have a meeting with the parents. Frankly, I wish more refs. would report this behavior or just flat out dismiss them from the sidelines.
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Post by fanatic21 on Dec 8, 2015 12:24:46 GMT -5
I don't point fingers at parents that say "EHHH.." or "OHHHH" when there is apparent fouls, off sides etc.. What IS quite unpleasant is hearing parents instructing their players to physically hurt the other team or yell directly at the ref as if they were nothing lower than a piece of dirt. What does this teach our kids? The next thing you know then the players start being verbally disrespectful to the refs too. It also just makes the sidelines toxic and takes the fun away. It is not one particular club .. it IS specific team's parents. Luckily out of the 4 games played this weekend only 1 team had a few parents like this. One man actually stepped over the line to offer his pair of glasses to the ref! (keep it classy) Any good team coach will put an end to it though. They are fully aware of what is going on on the sidelines. And classy/quality coaches make sure to keep parents in line. I remember a couple of years ago, a group of parents on another team at our Club were reported by a ref at a tournament. The coach had to have a meeting with the parents. Frankly, I wish more refs. would report this behavior or just flat out dismiss them from the sidelines. Agree that it's not a particular club but teams and that good coaches (coaches that are good at managing all aspects of the game) keep their teams' parents in line. In contrast, a coach who constantly yells at refs often sets the standard for his players and parents that it's ok for them to do the same.
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Post by rifle on Dec 8, 2015 17:39:50 GMT -5
I would love to see a coach walk over and hand a player pass to a parent after one of those little spectacles..
While saying very loudly... goodbye.
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Post by spectator on Dec 8, 2015 20:40:08 GMT -5
Best referee I ever saw was a female center who after hearing a mother on the sidelines say to her daughter 'Don't let her push you like that, take her out at the knees' - literally stopped the game, stated under no circumstances would she tolerate an adult telling a child to purposely hurt another child and told the woman she had five minutes to leave the field or she would make their team forfeit the game. That woman tucked tail, did a great walk of shame past all of us and I bet you anything she never did that crap again.
Time some of the psycho parents did get publicly called out and humiliated.
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Post by soccertwins on Dec 9, 2015 11:08:17 GMT -5
Saw an AR consult with the center referee after being constantly berated on the sideline by a parent. Center ref dismissed parent from field and instructed to head to the parking lot. The rest of the game, the obnoxious parents held their tongues.
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Post by spectator on Dec 9, 2015 12:30:26 GMT -5
Saw an AR consult with the center referee after being constantly berated on the sideline by a parent. Center ref dismissed parent from field and instructed to head to the parking lot. The rest of the game, the obnoxious parents held their tongues. This HAS to keep happening - referees dismissing parents - for parents to finally shut up and stop berrating referees. Then maybe the young AR's will stick with it and become good centers one day. For now, the shortage is so bad that one tournament flew referees in from another state - be prepared for your tournament fees to skyrocket if GA referees keep getting run off and we have to import.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 9, 2015 13:02:01 GMT -5
We must have forgotten too even though I was at McCurry. The team we played this season that did the most whining was from JumpJumpKeep's club - should I assume that all of their teams are like that ? Guarantee it wasn't any of our parents, they know better to complain or coach from the sidelines. Otherwise they're kid is asked to go play elsewhere. We don't put up with that BS plus our RPL parents hadn't seen each other since Oct so they were to busy socializing then even watching the games. The Chiefs parents were not complaining to the ref or coaching from the sideline. Their comments were directed to our players and parents. (This was not your RPL team.) We figured it was frustration over a loss. However, my point was that we shouldn't assume that because one team (or two or five, etc.) acts one way that their whole club is like that.
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Post by guest on Dec 9, 2015 13:18:29 GMT -5
One thing to keep in mind is the more and louder you complain about the refs at a match, the fewer calls that go your way. Aside from just being bad sports and bad examples, you are actually hurting your team by complaining overmuch to the refs. Think about it. The refs do not want to be viewed as 'giving in' to the complaining parents so those 50/50 fouls will start to go against you. I have actually heard refs talking about this exact point amongst themselves after a game as I was walking up to them to shake hands: "I was about to call a foul, but I couldn't. Otherwise it would have looked like I was just appeasing them".
Don't do it!
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Post by Keeper on Dec 9, 2015 14:58:58 GMT -5
Guarantee it wasn't any of our parents, they know better to complain or coach from the sidelines. Otherwise they're kid is asked to go play elsewhere. We don't put up with that BS plus our RPL parents hadn't seen each other since Oct so they were to busy socializing then even watching the games. The Chiefs parents were not complaining to the ref or coaching from the sideline. Their comments were directed to our players and parents. (This was not your RPL team.) We figured it was frustration over a loss. However, my point was that we shouldn't assume that because one team (or two or five, etc.) acts one way that their whole club is like that. Hmm seems odd considering that that teams only loss was to a Florida team, they actually tied both Athena A Atlanta teams. So not really sure why they'd be frustrated over getting ties against teams a level higher then them.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 9, 2015 16:13:00 GMT -5
The Chiefs parents were not complaining to the ref or coaching from the sideline. Their comments were directed to our players and parents. (This was not your RPL team.) We figured it was frustration over a loss. However, my point was that we shouldn't assume that because one team (or two or five, etc.) acts one way that their whole club is like that. Hmm seems odd considering that that teams only loss was to a Florida team, they actually tied both Athena A Atlanta teams. So not really sure why they'd be frustrated over getting ties against teams a level higher then them. I have no idea how the team you're referring to behaved. I was referring to a team one of my kids played during the season.
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Post by rifle on Dec 9, 2015 21:58:01 GMT -5
Cool twist, the notion of ref psychology. Very interesting.. .
Do you think AR's intentionally don't raise the offside flag, on a close call, because the defenders were all running around with their arm up and staring over their shoulder and complaining?
Or because a bunch of parents were constantly whining about the calls/non calls?
... I have to think those humans may actually do these things and more. Because who can resist having some fun messing with the other humans?
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Post by actualparent on Dec 13, 2015 22:44:36 GMT -5
Psycho Parent: the AFC team manager that provided game cards at the AFC/KSA u17 C2 game came up with a falsified game card at the half and challenged the KSA roster, trying to get the team disqualified from the game. Luckily, the refs weren't that dumb. They kind of accommodated the AFC team manager for a while, then moved on. What a loser. I'd hate for my son to play at that club. If he did, I'd be looking for another club.
Psycho Coach: NASA u17 C2 coach sensed an impending loss, blew a gasket, and started threatening opposing players (who are legally children, by the way, being 15, 16, and some 17 years old) and cursing and threatening referees to the point the center ref called the game, right there and then, with about 10 minutes to go in the second half in a very tight 3-1 game. NASA coach then went by himself and sat and pouted on the ground, in his team's goal. His team left without him. What a loser. I'd hate for my son to play at that club. If he did, I'd be looking for another club.
Psycho Coach of the Year, maybe? That is the saddest coaching fail I've ever seen.
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Post by rifle on Dec 14, 2015 16:37:00 GMT -5
The actions of one flawed individual do not make me disparage an entire club. Especially if I heard the story "via Kevin Bacon" or on the garbage forum.
If the story about AFC TM is true.. Credit to the refs for dealing with the situation and moving ahead.
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Post by actualparent on Dec 15, 2015 23:05:43 GMT -5
Indeed - the refs handled it very well. Refs don't get a lot of kudos, but these ones should... they let him argue his point, maybe for a few more minutes than they should have, looked at the bogus roster he prepared, then checked both teams in using the game-cards/game-rosters they (the refs) were given at the beginning of the game.
It was weird and uncomfortable, and I made sure at the end of the game this AFC Team Manager person was not around any of our players.
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Post by fanatic21 on Dec 15, 2015 23:19:31 GMT -5
Indeed - the refs handled it very well. Refs don't get a lot of kudos, but these ones should... they let him argue his point, maybe for a few more minutes than they should have, looked at the bogus roster he prepared, then checked both teams in using the game-cards/game-rosters they (the refs) were given at the beginning of the game. It was weird and uncomfortable, and I made sure at the end of the game this AFC Team Manager person was not around any of our players. The rosters could have been different because the teams printed them at different times. I assume your team probably added development players (DEV) from one of your lower level teams that didn't show up on the AFC team's sheet because the manager printed it before your team added them. Probably something like that. I'd give the guy the benefit of the doubt (he probably just didn't understand how your team had more players than showed up on the roster that he printed) instead of calling him a loser and saying that your kid would never play for his club.
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