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Post by infoguy on Dec 21, 2015 14:48:37 GMT -5
One word of caution though--there are some kids who are assured ahead of time that they will have a DA spot but then are told at tryouts that they no longer have it. This is not a fun situation as you can imagine so there may need to be a backup plan. Footy, amen. As a parent, I know all too well the importance of a contingency plan. That's why it would be best to go to both tryouts if at all possible.
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Post by infoguy on Dec 21, 2015 14:52:32 GMT -5
Part of the problem is the u16/u18s are 2 age groups each, so you have a big shift from coming from u14 and the bulk of the rosters at u16 are filled with the older kids. Now, the problem will be the top kids in the alliance clubs might play u12 to u14 da, then not make the u16s and not have a quality team to come to play for etc. This is where the press release said the clubs will work together (Ga United, Atlanta United and Concorde)....... I don't see that happening though. I agree; it may be tough for the clubs to work together to fill the U16 and 18 rosters at AUFC and see who stays at Concorde since GU won't have the older teams anymore. It will be interesting to see where the U15's and 17's go in their off-years. Is it definite that Concorde and GU won't have the DA older teams anymore?
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Post by Soccerhouse on Dec 21, 2015 15:42:19 GMT -5
Concorde will
GA United will not
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Post by infoguy on Dec 22, 2015 9:00:44 GMT -5
Concorde will GA United will not Will DA at the older ages likely be similar to U12, like 4-5 clubs have it? Sorry if I missed previous answer to this question. Will Atlanta United be a similar alliance to the soon-to-be gone GA United?
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Post by defensewins on Dec 22, 2015 12:25:05 GMT -5
LSA just announced they'll have U12 DA as well.
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Post by jash on Dec 22, 2015 14:14:30 GMT -5
Talk about watering down the brand. I'm NOT talking about any specific club, so please don't take it personally, but DA at that many clubs significantly changes what DA means.
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Post by Soccerhouse on Dec 22, 2015 16:00:10 GMT -5
Wow!
But what is good is travel will be minimal keeping costs down
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Post by jash on Dec 22, 2015 16:51:31 GMT -5
Wow! But what is good is travel will be minimal keeping costs down It's just the same players cycled into another "elite league". If everyone is elite, then nobody is elite.
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Post by footy on Dec 22, 2015 18:24:37 GMT -5
I guess having a lot of U12 DA teams will give Concorde and Atlanta United some focused pools to choose from for their oldest age groups. On the flip side, what will happen to all those players who don't make DA at U16 and 18?
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Post by Soccerhouse on Dec 22, 2015 19:51:45 GMT -5
So another ga United alliance club with u12 da.
What about NASA and UFA?
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Post by Soccerhouse on Jan 11, 2016 13:55:42 GMT -5
sounds like the "new" u12 DA will just be like our old u9-u12 academy system with all the clubs having it.
nasa ufa lanier ssa concorde afc Atlanta United
Who did I miss? You have to assume many of these clubs applied in hopes of getting u13 and u14 the following years. Still very surprised about GA united so willingly giving up the 16s/18s, seems like a big mistake.
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Post by SoccerMom on Jan 11, 2016 15:02:22 GMT -5
sounds like the "new" u12 DA will just be like our old u9-u12 academy system with all the clubs having it. nasa ufa lanier ssa concorde afc Atlanta United Who did I miss? You have to assume many of these clubs applied in hopes of getting u13 and u14 the following years. Still very surprised about GA united so willingly giving up the 16s/18s, seems like a big mistake. You missed GSA? did they get ask/get it? And as far as why GAUnited gave up those age groups, pretty sure there is a reason and it will all come to light in the future.
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Post by footy on Jan 11, 2016 15:10:41 GMT -5
Is there a list of all the clubs getting U12 DA, or are they just announcing them on their individual web sites? I think having more DA teams would be better so the only good reason I can think of that GA United would give up U16/18 is that they will truly be a pipeline to Atlanta United, at least in the near future. If there is enough talent to support more of the older teams, then the other clubs could apply for them.
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Post by Soccerhouse on Jan 11, 2016 15:28:20 GMT -5
From what I've heard Atlanta United's goal/expectations is that everyone in the city is truly a pipeline to Atlanta United. Yes, next year the current GA United u14 to u18 boys will get a better look and better chance of being the first crop of AU DA players, but in the future, in my opinion, Atlanta United will be looking for top talent regardless of club/city affiliation. Call me crazy, but I still believe AU will become a major destination for soccer families/players in the southeast. Families move to atlanta now to play for concorde and ga united, imagine when their is Atlanta United and the boys play for free! not a dime!!
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Post by Soccerhouse on Jan 11, 2016 15:30:05 GMT -5
and Yes, every knows TA has been hired to Atlanta United, still nobody really knows in what capacity etc.
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Post by allthingsoccer on Jan 13, 2016 22:51:51 GMT -5
7 clubs with u12 DA??
Sounds like a SuperY league. I thought the mission is to have very competitive games. I just don't see how. No way this area has 175 top level U12 players.
Maybe 75.
So you will have some close games and other games will be 12-0. No change at all, it's just like the U9-U12 Academy just like Soccerhouse said. But the main difference is that the DA players are locked in. They can't do ODP, they can't do middle school soccer.
I think this is a way to totally get rid of ODP. Why else would they award so many DA's.
BTW... I heard Tony is working with million dollar budgets for academies. Not sure his roll but if he is doing budgeting I would guess he is the academy director.
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Post by Soccerhouse on Jan 14, 2016 9:04:09 GMT -5
That sounds exactly right, I have heard he has been hired as the "Academy Manager".
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Post by footy on Jan 14, 2016 9:22:53 GMT -5
I think this is a way to totally get rid of ODP. Why else would they award so many DA's. I agree that ODP going by the wayside could be a by-product of tons of kids doing DA but do you think someone is purposely trying to get rid of ODP? What about middle/high school soccer teams? Wouldn't they suffer also? Maybe DA will change the rule about not being able to play for schools or ODP.
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Post by allthingsoccer on Jan 14, 2016 10:29:56 GMT -5
Footy...
Yes- I think its business tactics. Why else would DA award so many. I have heard for years from different coaches that DA is making a power play vs ODP. As time goes on you will see the level of ODP players go down, unless DA lets up on the rules a bit.
I have seen the ODP first hand and I see about 15-20 kids that shouldn't be on the squad. No speed, bad first touch (i mean horrible), no idea of field vision., etc.. If ODP offered it for free, I'm pretty sure the talent level would be much, much better and selection would be harder.
If ODP's mission was truly to find players for national team, then it should be state funded. It's not a huge cost but it's a cost. The only way that the US is going to become a soccer powerhouse is no pay to play(like everywhere else in the world). That's why most MLS's are offering it for free.
I get the whole idea of adding so many DA's into the area. Now clubs can make extra money, get the talent and then MLS will attract the TOP players because they are offering it for free.
The question becomes (for a parent), my kid just played against ATLUTD. ATLUTD just asked me if my kid can come play and be a star for the MLS Academy team...for FREE. Plus all the resources, state of the art fields, career path, etc.. that comes with it.
So you have to travel an extra 30 mins- 45 mins. Who is going to turn down that?? I'm sure some will. I understand that. Stay with friends, you have a good coach, or you just cant make the drive.
BUT... I guarantee that those that are going to ATLUTD will be the best players hands down. Sure each club will have 1 diamond or two but not the whole 24 squad.
If you were going to offer something for free, you would be dang sure that they are the best.
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Post by Soccerhouse on Jan 14, 2016 10:53:03 GMT -5
I've said it before and I'll say it again, ODP missed its window to adapt. (speaking really just on the boys side right now).
They had an excellent opportunity to step up and really make a difference in the u11/u12 age groups before this u12 DA monster has been created with 26 kids per team etc.
What I mean is widdle the pool of players that don't belong, ask coaches for players that they think do belong. Have more serious technical training sessions that have value and meaning vs just scrimmaging. Offer more than just 1 weekend of games in North Carolina just because that is how it has been done for years. Ensure your kids are playing truly competitive interstate games. From a friend the 03s beat a north carolina team 15-0. Thats a joke. The word was it was basically a rec team. That is the problem with ODP in a nutshell!!!
ODP could have been the "grooming" location for the top u14 to u18 future DA players instead its system that starting next year will only have the kids that don't play DA at u12-u14 at the participating clubs..... Not sure how viable that it is.
A big problem is the reality is that most clubs now don't even care about ODP, they have been jilted in the past where they had top players past over for other who they feel are inferior (yes its perception of course).
From my experience its not great, but nothing is really great to be honest. In 10 years I've come across one youth coach that was without question the greatest coach that I've observed and interacted with on any level. Others just have never measured up, the bar was set extremely high!
ODP is currently an opportunity for your kids to meet and play with ~50 other kids in their age group from various clubs and have an opportunity for extra touches and its almost like pick up ball to be honest. From that perspective its great, its in part the biggest problem with soccer in the US ie the lack of free play. From my perspective, ODP so far has filled that void, boys just show up and play soccer for 2 hours, with very little instruction or stoppage of play. They just play and enjoy it.
Again I'll end with this one of the greatest problems with youth soccer in this country ---- _________(fill in the blank) do not care what us/we/parents think. Our opinions don't matter and feedback is rarely requested. Constructive criticism is a huge part of life, they don't want to hear anything except how everything is great. The 2nd a parent questions a coach/club they are labeled as a problem parent and a crazy.....There are many easy fixes at your club, team, coach, odp, DA etc, but we as parents are told "I prefer you drop off and leave, let us do our job...."
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Post by youthsoccerdad on Jan 15, 2016 8:56:19 GMT -5
I've said it before and I'll say it again, ODP missed its window to adapt. (speaking really just on the boys side right now). They had an excellent opportunity to step up and really make a difference in the u11/u12 age groups before this u12 DA monster has been created with 26 kids per team etc. What I mean is widdle the pool of players that don't belong, ask coaches for players that they think do belong. Have more serious technical training sessions that have value and meaning vs just scrimmaging. Offer more than just 1 weekend of games in North Carolina just because that is how it has been done for years. Ensure your kids are playing truly competitive interstate games. From a friend the 03s beat a north carolina team 15-0. Thats a joke. The word was it was basically a rec team. That is the problem with ODP in a nutshell!!! ODP could have been the "grooming" location for the top u14 to u18 future DA players instead its system that starting next year will only have the kids that don't play DA at u12-u14 at the participating clubs..... Not sure how viable that it is. A big problem is the reality is that most clubs now don't even care about ODP, they have been jilted in the past where they had top players past over for other who they feel are inferior (yes its perception of course). From my experience its not great, but nothing is really great to be honest. In 10 years I've come across one youth coach that was without question the greatest coach that I've observed and interacted with on any level. Others just have never measured up, the bar was set extremely high! ODP is currently an opportunity for your kids to meet and play with ~50 other kids in their age group from various clubs and have an opportunity for extra touches and its almost like pick up ball to be honest. From that perspective its great, its in part the biggest problem with soccer in the US ie the lack of free play. From my perspective, ODP so far has filled that void, boys just show up and play soccer for 2 hours, with very little instruction or stoppage of play. They just play and enjoy it. Again I'll end with this one of the greatest problems with youth soccer in this country ---- _________(fill in the blank) do not care what us/we/parents think. Our opinions don't matter and feedback is rarely requested. Constructive criticism is a huge part of life, they don't want to hear anything except how everything is great. The 2nd a parent questions a coach/club they are labeled as a problem parent and a crazy.....There are many easy fixes at your club, team, coach, odp, DA etc, but we as parents are told "I prefer you drop off and leave, let us do our job...." It is hard to be the place to groom players for U14 when you are on the south side and most the talent is on the north side of the city.
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