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Post by Soccerhouse on Sept 5, 2016 11:22:08 GMT -5
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Post by zizou on Sept 5, 2016 12:44:53 GMT -5
Parsing the scores on that site is not easy. Looks like the end result of poorly contracted government work.
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Post by Soccerhouse on Sept 5, 2016 13:00:34 GMT -5
Looks like the filter doesn't save with a different link. Typical Select u12 east Georgia.
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Post by footy on Sept 5, 2016 17:17:35 GMT -5
Parsing the scores on that site is not easy. Looks like the end result of poorly contracted government work. You're not kidding. It's a little easier if you filter by East U-12 Georgia but the team rows don't line up well with the field/venues.
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Post by allthingsoccer on Sept 6, 2016 10:08:38 GMT -5
Knew that was going to happen. I only see really Concorde giving Atlanta United any run. Sept 17th is going to be fun to watch... CF vs AtlUtd
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Post by footy on Sept 6, 2016 10:28:13 GMT -5
Knew that was going to happen. I only see really Concorde giving Atlanta United any run. Sept 17th is going to be fun to watch... CF vs AtlUtd UFA may be a contender too (they beat AFC 10-0 if I'm reading the stupid chart right). They play AUFC Sept. 25.
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Post by allthingsoccer on Sept 6, 2016 10:39:53 GMT -5
Yeah maybe. I saw some players. Not bad.
The question becomes if you play your top team or not. Most teams want to pay a mix so this advantage would be AtlUTD as they have a deeper depth.
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Post by Soccerhouse on Sept 6, 2016 11:14:05 GMT -5
Just very odd for clubs to lose their "top" players to another club and then to turn around have to play them - kind of sucks for the other clubs. Will be very interesting to see if any single club gets awarded DA in the future and if Georgia united becomes a single club entity vs an alliance etc.
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Post by allthingsoccer on Sept 6, 2016 11:42:41 GMT -5
Agree, it is very strange. This is a SuperY league based off the first weekend scores. Ridiculous. Play everyone 3-5 times. OMG
I'm still trying to see the logic of having so many U12 teams. It isnt to have the best quality of games during season as they say its for. I found last year playing up did way more for development then this watered down DA league.
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Post by Soccerhouse on Sept 6, 2016 11:52:58 GMT -5
Currently its all about minimizing travel for this age group CASL in north carolina has 3 teams in the u12 age group
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Post by allthingsoccer on Sept 6, 2016 12:16:27 GMT -5
Ok lets limit the travel but have such a watered down league. I see the logic. So stupid.
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Post by forsythsd on Sept 6, 2016 13:52:47 GMT -5
And it raises questions about next year. What happens to the roughly 175 kids playing U12 DA? There are approximately fifty-five U14 spots, as things currently stand. Will more U14 DA teams be allowed?
Or will some 120 kids head back to their regular club teams, pushing down existing players and disrupting team continuity (again)? Will kids that earn promotions this year find themselves displaced en masse?
Pulling those kids from the pipeline for a single year doesn't make sense to me.
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Post by allthingsoccer on Sept 6, 2016 14:18:49 GMT -5
Its a mess.
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Post by coop on Sept 7, 2016 18:24:11 GMT -5
My take is that it is not a mess. Just that a metro area the size of atlanta can support 3 DA clubs U13 and up. U12 really only has 3 clubs - it's just that GU splits geographically into 5 programs with UFA being the class of the lot. Pity GU doesn't have the older ages because GA could handle it - hopefully that will change. U12 looks to be simply a long tryout for the next level - that will become clear next year when DA aligns age groups. My 2005 made one of the big 3 U12 (2004) DA clubs but elected to stay with his academy U12 (2005) elite team & coach for one more season so he could play at least one year of school ball and participate in ODP. He is the only 6th grader on the "A" team, starts, and plays the whole game on a powerhouse team he says is the best he's played on. Part of me wishes he'd have opted for DA a year early as a 2005 this year but he is getting a diverse experience and playing with and against better players than can be found on any U12 DA team this year. But because of the lack of area coach/scouting exposure he's rolling the dice regarding making a U13 DA club next year. I guess time will tell if he made the right choice. Plus, the 2005s will have to enter the DA program at U13, missing an entire year of training at that level. Ugh, first world problems, right?
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Post by allthingsoccer on Sept 8, 2016 10:51:27 GMT -5
Coop... I get the logic but no way that by playing and beating a team 8-0 or 10-0 is helping development at all. Yes, I would agree that it's just a filter process for this season. That's why we elected to to do DA rather than RPL. It will be harder for the 04 player to make it into only 60 or so spots next year. (CF, GU, AU).
Tough call. I like the freedom you have not in DA but also like the structure in DA. I do know that the 05's are a great age group. Lots of 05 playing DA now.
I hope as the season goes on the level of play increases. Just have to wait and see.
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Post by alacrity174 on Sept 8, 2016 12:09:48 GMT -5
My take is that it is not a mess. Just that a metro area the size of atlanta can support 3 DA clubs U13 and up. U12 really only has 3 clubs - it's just that GU splits geographically into 5 programs with UFA being the class of the lot. Pity GU doesn't have the older ages because GA could handle it - hopefully that will change. U12 looks to be simply a long tryout for the next level - that will become clear next year when DA aligns age groups. My 2005 made one of the big 3 U12 (2004) DA clubs but elected to stay with his academy U12 (2005) elite team & coach for one more season so he could play at least one year of school ball and participate in ODP. He is the only 6th grader on the "A" team, starts, and plays the whole game on a powerhouse team he says is the best he's played on. Part of me wishes he'd have opted for DA a year early as a 2005 this year but he is getting a diverse experience and playing with and against better players than can be found on any U12 DA team this year. But because of the lack of area coach/scouting exposure he's rolling the dice regarding making a U13 DA club next year. I guess time will tell if he made the right choice. Plus, the 2005s will have to enter the DA program at U13, missing an entire year of training at that level. Ugh, first world problems, right? Having seen a lot of this age group I can't really see that there is anywhere near the talent for 3 DA teams in ATL. As the teams age up I think you will find that less and less is local players and more will be from other parts of the South East and further afield. ATL UTD will be the destination for serious players who want to be professional and CF will get the college bound players
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Post by Soccerhouse on Sept 8, 2016 12:22:01 GMT -5
I've already heard many stories about players/families that are moving to atlanta and are good enough for ATL United, but atlanta united doesn't have the room for them. There is no question, ATL United will attract many soccer families looking to move to give their kids opportunities in soccer and to play for free. Expect that to increase every year. alacrity174 were you referring to the current 2004 or 2003 class?
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Post by footy on Sept 8, 2016 22:19:53 GMT -5
ATL UTD will be the destination for serious players who want to be professional and CF will get the college bound players I think you're right about AU attracting future pros although their players may still opt for college first. CF may have been the destination for college-bound players in the past but I think other clubs with multiple RPL or DA level teams are catching up, which is a good thing for the kids.
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Post by paterfamilias on Sept 9, 2016 13:24:37 GMT -5
Remind me again why DA is necessary at this age group?
Honestly does it need to even be at the U14 age group?
All this talk of travel minimization and talent levels - we are discussing 5th and 6th graders right? Kids who have not hit puberty. Kids that have trouble with which side of their shirt is frontwards and which side is backwards.
It is not a mess; its madness
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Post by allthingsoccer on Sept 9, 2016 14:32:22 GMT -5
I think they are 7th graders (04).
Yes we are talking about them. Next 5-7 years they will be the future of mens soccer. I think it is very important to have some sort of system in place that can identify talent. The US is so large its hard to find everyone. Its not like baseball or football where you have a defined process.
Some like structure (DA) and some like the freedom (RPL, ODP,) I think both are great paths to take. If you are good enough you will be on radar.
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Post by paterfamilias on Sept 9, 2016 14:44:57 GMT -5
Oh 7th graders?! Well then by all means
I now see the logic, of course
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Post by Soccerhouse on Sept 9, 2016 15:11:15 GMT -5
Its scary, I know a ton of 12-15 year kids that have only played soccer and never played another organized sport their entire life! That's not good. Now it will only get worse with u12 DA, 11 years old giving up all other sports at such an early age. So maybe the rec league for hoops isn't club soccer, its still fun for the kids and they learn a ton. The time commitment is huge, I think most are doing 4 days a week?? could be wrong?
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Post by allthingsoccer on Sept 9, 2016 15:50:46 GMT -5
Posted by paterfamilias- Yes thats what this thread is about. U12
I don't understand why people have so much trouble talking about u12, 04's, 03's. They are the future of soccer in the US.
I'm on many international forums and they are very open about these age groups. How they are developed, changes that are being made, and looking forward to the next generation. All positive.
Why is it such a big deal here like "really we are talking about 7th graders", even when the thread is about 7th graders.
I don't get it on how very closed minded people are today. Yes they are young 12/13 years old.... But its so much better to talk about them when they are 17. Yes, lots of things happen from 12-17 years.
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Post by Keeper on Sept 9, 2016 19:55:40 GMT -5
New to post, so help me out here if wrong but is DA on the new age mandate? If so these u12s are 10-11 year olds since the oldest would turn 12 on January 1st 2017.
But yeah if these parents are idiot enough to close off there kids to everything but a soccer ball at 11 years old then let them. It's a free country. Certain kids need that structure and boot camp, though I doubt 5% ever make it to the top D1 level let alone national level since they'll probably burn out or injure out by HS seniors. It is sad that kids aren't able to play two or three sports year around at that age. Though I bet the best athletes will find away to do it, but then go play football in college because of the money.
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Post by rifle on Sept 10, 2016 12:33:17 GMT -5
I think they are 7th graders (04). Yes we are talking about them. Next 5-7 years they will be the future of mens soccer. I think it is very important to have some sort of system in place that can identify talent. The US is so large its hard to find everyone. Its not like baseball or football where you have a defined process. Some like structure (DA) and some like the freedom (RPL, ODP,) I think both are great paths to take. If you are good enough you will be on radar. I get what you're saying but these 2 sentences are total contradictions.
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Post by 2316 on Sept 10, 2016 13:12:50 GMT -5
Atlanta United lost to NASA today, 3-2.
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Post by mark on Sept 10, 2016 13:55:43 GMT -5
New to post, so help me out here if wrong but is DA on the new age mandate? If so these u12s are 10-11 year olds since the oldest would turn 12 on January 1st 2017. But yeah if these parents are idiot enough to close off there kids to everything but a soccer ball at 11 years old then let them. It's a free country. Certain kids need that structure and boot camp, though I doubt 5% ever make it to the top D1 level let alone national level since they'll probably burn out or injure out by HS seniors. It is sad that kids aren't able to play two or three sports year around at that age. Though I bet the best athletes will find away to do it, but then go play football in college because of the money. DA is not on birth year mandate - yet, maybe never. U12 is 04's so it's 7th and 6th graders. Keep in mind that in the rest of the world, Academies are a track to the first team. In MLS/US, Academies are a track to college. MLS has no intent on bringing 17-18 year olds to the first team even if ready. And MLS will make sure they aren't ready.
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Post by touchlinedad on Sept 10, 2016 14:02:01 GMT -5
And if I'm not mistaken, the U12's are playing 9v9 even though many of these players were playing 11v11 in the spring.
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Post by allthingsoccer on Sept 12, 2016 9:58:56 GMT -5
kallbrew... Not sure if what contradicts.
I think it is very important to have some sort of system in place that can identify talent. (I was mentioning that you have to have some sort of system in place)
If you are good enough you will be on radar. (I listed some of those systems (DA, ODP, RPL etc...)
Posted by touchlinedad- You are correct. Most played 11v11. Besides the 05's.
Pretty impressed with level of play this weekend.. Not bad.
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Post by Soccerhouse on Sept 12, 2016 10:42:14 GMT -5
Kind of why I'm surprised GA didn't put together a 2006 ODP team this year. even if no other states did it, would have been cool to get the "top" 60 players together once a month.
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