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Post by Soccerhouse on Sept 20, 2016 11:05:33 GMT -5
Maybe Pugh is the difference maker this team needs as it appears she did play in 2 matches in the tournament "The US U-20s went without a single goal in the 2016 NTC Invitational ahead of the FIFA U-20 World Cup. The tournament consisted of three other teams: Brazil, England, and Korea Republic. England came out the victors, securing the title on the second day of competition." equalizersoccer.com/2016/09/19/england-win-us-last-at-u-20-ntc-invitational/
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Post by zizou on Sept 20, 2016 13:12:22 GMT -5
Pugh played a total of 45 min I think. 15 against England and 30 against Brazil. She is just getting back from her olympics injury so they are dosing her match time. She immediately changed the game in her 15 min against England. Missed what should have been an easy goal. They could not handle her. She was also too much for Brazil. Missed a sitter right before they took her off. Sanchez is with the u17s right now as well. She will join U20s after finishing with U17s. Pugh and Sanchez together will give teams fits.
That being said, U20s looked like they could possess the ball, but not many ideas in final third. What is federation doing in constructing this team? Only something like 13 of players seem to be in college. That is too young of a team to put up against pros from other countries. Maybe I am incorrect in my counts. But maybe that's what you get when you give an ultimatum that players must redshirt if they want to be part of this team. I also do not know if I should be impressed by French as a coach.
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Post by Soccerhouse on Sept 20, 2016 13:17:16 GMT -5
Got the sense Pugh didn't play much.
Do you know if girls turned down the team to stay in school?
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Post by alacrity174 on Sept 20, 2016 14:02:29 GMT -5
Zizou would rather see club players get a chance before they are ruined by the college game. At least most successful clubs try to play an attractive and effective game whereas the college teams go back to neanderthal tactics and hard tackles to intimidate skilled players.
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Post by zizou on Sept 20, 2016 15:11:42 GMT -5
Zizou would rather see club players get a chance before they are ruined by the college game. At least most successful clubs try to play an attractive and effective game whereas the college teams go back to neanderthal tactics and hard tackles to intimidate skilled players. Pretty gross generalization. I do not think this is as true as it used to be. Maybe in SEC but PAC12 at least play attractive soccer. South Carolina in SEC play the ball on deck then take advantage of their power and speed when in final third. I like their style of play. Duke plays ball on deck at high tempo. UNC is all power and speed and direct play for sure. Have you watched Brazil play? Bunch of thugs. You cannot send little kids out there against grown angry women. Almost like USSF wants them to fail. I do agree, however, that if college soccer went to 2 semester schedule and changed sub rules they could all play more attractive soccer.
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Post by zizou on Sept 22, 2016 11:50:34 GMT -5
Zizou would rather see club players get a chance before they are ruined by the college game. At least most successful clubs try to play an attractive and effective game whereas the college teams go back to neanderthal tactics and hard tackles to intimidate skilled players. This whole ruined by the college game narrative has to account for things like this: Internationals coming to USA for college soccerOur college game is good enough for players from other countries to come and use. On the women's side, there are top shelf internationals that come here to play college soccer. In addition, I saw a statistic recently that 5% of all MLS minutes go to internationals that played college in the states. That same figure for homegrowns was 7%. So if we say that the college pathway is bad, then what does that say about the Academy systems these teams are running?
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Post by alacrity174 on Sept 23, 2016 11:27:48 GMT -5
Zizou would rather see club players get a chance before they are ruined by the college game. At least most successful clubs try to play an attractive and effective game whereas the college teams go back to neanderthal tactics and hard tackles to intimidate skilled players. This whole ruined by the college game narrative has to account for things like this: Internationals coming to USA for college soccerOur college game is good enough for players from other countries to come and use. On the women's side, there are top shelf internationals that come here to play college soccer. In addition, I saw a statistic recently that 5% of all MLS minutes go to internationals that played college in the states. That same figure for homegrowns was 7%. So if we say that the college pathway is bad, then what does that say about the Academy systems these teams are running? Read this the other way round, a player who couldn't make it in Derby County (Bottom of the Championship division), has an opportunity to come to the US and get a scholarship and education. Good for him, I'm glad he found a way to keep playing and get a degree which doesn't happen in the UK. Next look at the length of the college season, all 3 months of it, there is no way players can defectively develop in this structure, MLS DA is in my opinion, the only true development path for Mens professional soccer. On the women's side as the sport is still really in its infancy outside the US and again taking into account girls can come to the US get a scholarship, education and play soccer it's a win, win, win for them. Now add in the style of play in college, which is predominately kick and run with some level of possession, i will give you there are some schools which are trying to do better but most play to win only. I did read somewhere the other day that MLS academies are worried about where their players go after playing DA and move on to college as they believe the progress made during the time at the DA is negated by college tactics and we may soon see that certain DA's encourage their players to attend specific colleges. Now while this will be great for the college chosen I'm not sure how this will be handled by NCAA. I would prefer to see College soccer go to a longer season (8-10 months), spread out the games more and give the coaches time to really work with the players, help their development in a true sense and also get them used to playing over a longer period, which if they are looking to become professionals will only benefit them in the long run.
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Post by footy on Sept 23, 2016 12:23:05 GMT -5
MLS DA is in my opinion, the only true development path for Mens professional soccer. Interesting comments! I was wondering why you specifically said "MLS DA"--do you feel they are superior to club DA programs such as Concorde and Georgia United or USL such as Sacramento Republic etc.?
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Post by zizou on Sept 23, 2016 12:56:03 GMT -5
Interesting comments! I was wondering why you specifically said "MLS DA"--do you feel they are superior to club DA programs such as Concorde and Georgia United or USL such as Sacramento Republic etc.? Just to be clear, I did not say that, although there is well publicized tension between the MLS and non MLS academy teams.
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Post by footy on Sept 23, 2016 13:03:52 GMT -5
Interesting comments! I was wondering why you specifically said "MLS DA"--do you feel they are superior to club DA programs such as Concorde and Georgia United or USL such as Sacramento Republic etc.? Just to be clear, I did not say that, although there is well publicized tension between the MLS and non MLS academy teams. Right, sorry zizou--it was alacrity174 who said it but I am apparently Quote-challenged and it showed up as your quote. Sorry!
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Post by footy on Sept 23, 2016 13:05:07 GMT -5
This whole ruined by the college game narrative has to account for things like this: Internationals coming to USA for college soccerOur college game is good enough for players from other countries to come and use. On the women's side, there are top shelf internationals that come here to play college soccer. In addition, I saw a statistic recently that 5% of all MLS minutes go to internationals that played college in the states. That same figure for homegrowns was 7%. So if we say that the college pathway is bad, then what does that say about the Academy systems these teams are running? Read this the other way round, a player who couldn't make it in Derby County (Bottom of the Championship division), has an opportunity to come to the US and get a scholarship and education. Good for him, I'm glad he found a way to keep playing and get a degree which doesn't happen in the UK. Next look at the length of the college season, all 3 months of it, there is no way players can defectively develop in this structure, MLS DA is in my opinion, the only true development path for Mens professional soccer. On the women's side as the sport is still really in its infancy outside the US and again taking into account girls can come to the US get a scholarship, education and play soccer it's a win, win, win for them. Now add in the style of play in college, which is predominately kick and run with some level of possession, i will give you there are some schools which are trying to do better but most play to win only. I did read somewhere the other day that MLS academies are worried about where their players go after playing DA and move on to college as they believe the progress made during the time at the DA is negated by college tactics and we may soon see that certain DA's encourage their players to attend specific colleges. Now while this will be great for the college chosen I'm not sure how this will be handled by NCAA. I would prefer to see College soccer go to a longer season (8-10 months), spread out the games more and give the coaches time to really work with the players, help their development in a true sense and also get them used to playing over a longer period, which if they are looking to become professionals will only benefit them in the long run. Interesting comments! I was wondering why you specifically said "MLS DA"--do you feel they are superior to club DA programs such as Concorde and Georgia United or USL such as Sacramento Republic etc.?
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Post by alacrity174 on Sept 23, 2016 13:19:45 GMT -5
Hi Footy
In the main yes I believe an MLS DA is superior to GA UTD and Concord, the USL DA teams are a little in-between, it depends on if they offer a residential program. The MLS DA's have the advantage of true professional coaching and facilities plus the majority are residential so the players really do get quality time in practice with little to no travel from school to home to fields for a 90 minute practice. Compare this to let's say Concord DA where the field they practice on is a middle school and shared with multiple other teams per night, the players are travelling on average an hour to get to practice in rush hour and if it rains practice is called off.
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Post by footy on Sept 23, 2016 19:26:46 GMT -5
Thanks for the conversation! I'm going to start a new thread about DA since we are getting a little off the original topic.
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