|
Post by soccerfan30 on Oct 31, 2016 19:40:38 GMT -5
I witnessed a disturbing incident during one of my NTH games last weekend that left me appalled after the game regarding an opposing coach's flippant concern about one of his players. During my younger teams games this weekend one of my players had a breakaway and went in unopposed against the opposition keeper, my player used the outside of het foot and rounded the GK, the GK led with her head and hit her head against my players knee. I could tell the GK was in trouble as she laid there for a minute or two. I asked the ref if in his view my player did anything wrong and he said he felt the GK initiated the contact. As a GK Coach myself you could tell the GK probably hadn't been taught how to come out on breakaways but that's beside the point. After a few minutes the coach put her back in the game.
Fast foward late into the second half the same incident occurs, GK tries to grab my forwards legs as she goes around and the GK gets kneed in the head, this time she stayed down for a few minutes. I walked down the length of the sideline near the goal to see if she was ok while her coach went onto the field. He looked into her eyes and deemed her fit to continue even though she was crying and holding her head. At this junture in a 4-0 game they are losing I can't understand why he doesn't take her out and not to continue to put her in harms way, I was genuinely concerned for the girl, it was apparent to everyone the GK wasn't fit to continue but he put her back in, at this point I told my players not to score as I didn't want anything to happen to the GK.
After the game I asked the girl if she was ok, she nodded her head. I asked the coach if the girl was ok and he chuckled and said (I kid you not) "Yeah she probably takes several blows to the head like that every game", I didn't know whether to be shocked or angry, part of me wanted to lay into him but I bit my tongue. What about the young girls parents? Maybe suggest she wear protective headgear? To see a 12 yr old girl take repeated blows like that with a coach with a flippant attitude made me livid. I wonder what role a ref can play in this when they can clearly see a player is not right but the coach puts the player back into the game....someone has to advocate for the player.
|
|
|
Post by Futsal Gawdess on Oct 31, 2016 19:54:08 GMT -5
At this stage in her career, it's unfortunately left to her parents to be her advocate. They have to be the one to determine that hey Soccer is nothing compared to your neurological issues down the line. Out of love they should make the call and when in doubt, sit her. I'd rather be wrong than add to her complications. There are unfortunately lots of coaches who grew up in a different time and don't understand the long term impact that repeated blows to the head causes. Just look at the NFL now. Sad situation, I hope she's okay.
|
|
|
Post by rifle on Oct 31, 2016 20:14:13 GMT -5
That's amazingly reckless by the coach.
You've been around a while. Do you know the club's director?
|
|
|
Post by soccerfan30 on Oct 31, 2016 20:31:01 GMT -5
That's amazingly reckless by the coach. You've been around a while. Do you know the club's director? I do and because of that I'm not sure what good it would do. I'm still angry about, as a father myself I would hope someone would advocate for my daughter. What if a parent is working and can't attend a game and something like this happens?
|
|
|
Post by TheMadOx on Nov 1, 2016 8:36:15 GMT -5
Not right...Coaches need to be more sensitive to this type of stuff..you did the right thing and backed off your team. In the end, you can only control what you can control. It might be worth a note to the director of the club just to make your observations known...it would definitely clear your thoughts on the issue.
|
|
|
Post by spectator on Nov 1, 2016 8:48:15 GMT -5
That's amazingly reckless by the coach. You've been around a while. Do you know the club's director? I do and because of that I'm not sure what good it would do. I'm still angry about, as a father myself I would hope someone would advocate for my daughter. What if a parent is working and can't attend a game and something like this happens?Because of exactly that ^ please DO contact the club's director. The coach may just be completely ignorant about concussions (highly unlikely but I'll give everyone the benefit of the doubt once) or the coach may feel that this is her parents' responsibility and not want to overstep - we don't know the dynamics here. But every club should have a concussion protocol in place and this sounds like something any director would want to be aware of. If you know the director, make the call not in an accusatory way but out of concern for the girl and any liability the club may incur as well (unfortunately that may be the best catalyst to get some action - when it affects the bottom line) Nice that you took the responsibility for the safety of that goalie, though. Thanks for watching out for the kids
|
|
|
Post by FairPlay on Nov 1, 2016 9:03:47 GMT -5
soccerfan30 - From the situation you described it is possible a concussion occurred for this player (maybe multiple). Georgia Soccer has a return to play protocol and it appears it was maybe not followed by the coach and/or parent in this circumstance. Not following protocol is a violation of state law. I know we as parenting population may be oversensitive to protecting the children, but dealing with head injury is not a matter to take lightly. If a player wants to play through a knee or ankle injury, it is not ideal but tolerable. There should not be any chances taken with the head.
I know teens that have been forced to drop out of high school because they were unable to deal with symptoms from a concussion or worse multiple concussions.
When a head injury occurs, go to the specialists/experts. Following their instructions before returning to any activities is the best course of action.
|
|
|
Post by allthingsoccer on Nov 1, 2016 11:50:41 GMT -5
ridiculous!
This is another example of how the refs are not educated enough on protecting the goalkeeper. (or knowing what the protocol is ). I have seen it every weekend. Keeper has hand (sometimes both) on the ball and player attempts to kick the ball out of hands. (sometimes resulting in a goal). Cleats up when striker slides into keeper (even though keeper clearly has 2/3 steps advantage. Not one card or warning. This has to be addressed! The NFL/College/HS all protect the QB. The same is needed for goalkeepers or it will continue to be a problem.
As for not proper technique, I didn't witness the play so not sure. In the event of a 1v1 break away, your training teaches you how to best avoid an injury. Maybe the situation called for the keeper to go feet first. I'm not sure. But the bottom line is to get proper training. If this isnt done then its the fault of the parent and Coach. They both have to be on the same page in regards to the safety of the player.
Head injury is the scariest of them all and should be over emphasized by the ref. I would rather have my kid sit out the rest of the game and go to the ER to rule out any trauma. No missing around on this.
I hope she is ok
|
|
|
Post by soccerfan30 on Nov 1, 2016 12:31:21 GMT -5
ridiculous! This is another example of how the refs are not educated enough on protecting the goalkeeper. (or knowing what the protocol is ). I have seen it every weekend. Keeper has hand (sometimes both) on the ball and player attempts to kick the ball out of hands. (sometimes resulting in a goal). Cleats up when striker slides into keeper (even though keeper clearly has 2/3 steps advantage. Not one card or warning. This has to be addressed! The NFL/College/HS all protect the QB. The same is needed for goalkeepers or it will continue to be a problem. As for not proper technique, I didn't witness the play so not sure. In the event of a 1v1 break away, your training teaches you how to best avoid an injury. Maybe the situation called for the keeper to go feet first. I'm not sure. But the bottom line is to get proper training. If this isnt done then its the fault of the parent and Coach. They both have to be on the same page in regards to the safety of the player. Head injury is the scariest of them all and should be over emphasized by the ref. I would rather have my kid sit out the rest of the game and go to the ER to rule out any trauma. No missing around on this. I hope she is ok I agree but in the scenario I described the GK never had the ball as our player went around her, she never got a hand to the ball and she lead with her head in the forwards feet. Nothing the ref could have done to mitigate either situation.
|
|
|
Post by allthingsoccer on Nov 1, 2016 12:35:23 GMT -5
Yeah then training is key. I hope the parents are making sure they get proper training.
|
|
|
Post by alacrity174 on Nov 1, 2016 13:41:07 GMT -5
ridiculous! This is another example of how the refs are not educated enough on protecting the goalkeeper. (or knowing what the protocol is ). I have seen it every weekend. Keeper has hand (sometimes both) on the ball and player attempts to kick the ball out of hands. (sometimes resulting in a goal). Cleats up when striker slides into keeper (even though keeper clearly has 2/3 steps advantage. Not one card or warning. This has to be addressed! The NFL/College/HS all protect the QB. The same is needed for goalkeepers or it will continue to be a problem. As for not proper technique, I didn't witness the play so not sure. In the event of a 1v1 break away, your training teaches you how to best avoid an injury. Maybe the situation called for the keeper to go feet first. I'm not sure. But the bottom line is to get proper training. If this isnt done then its the fault of the parent and Coach. They both have to be on the same page in regards to the safety of the player. Head injury is the scariest of them all and should be over emphasized by the ref. I would rather have my kid sit out the rest of the game and go to the ER to rule out any trauma. No missing around on this. I hope she is ok Sorry but this is not on the ref in any way. The referee cannot say to a coach that a player cannot return to the field, referees are NOT trained medical personnel, it is incumbent on the coach to follow the correct protocol in place from GA Soccer. In the LOTG the goalie gets no more protection than any other player on the field, and if as you described the keeper came out feet first sliding into an attacker I for one would have no option that to red card the keeper for VC.
|
|
|
Post by gaprospects on Nov 1, 2016 13:42:36 GMT -5
ridiculous! This is another example of how the refs are not educated enough on protecting the goalkeeper. (or knowing what the protocol is ). I have seen it every weekend. Keeper has hand (sometimes both) on the ball and player attempts to kick the ball out of hands. (sometimes resulting in a goal). Cleats up when striker slides into keeper (even though keeper clearly has 2/3 steps advantage. Not one card or warning. This has to be addressed! The NFL/College/HS all protect the QB. The same is needed for goalkeepers or it will continue to be a problem. As for not proper technique, I didn't witness the play so not sure. In the event of a 1v1 break away, your training teaches you how to best avoid an injury. Maybe the situation called for the keeper to go feet first. I'm not sure. But the bottom line is to get proper training. If this isnt done then its the fault of the parent and Coach. They both have to be on the same page in regards to the safety of the player. Head injury is the scariest of them all and should be over emphasized by the ref. I would rather have my kid sit out the rest of the game and go to the ER to rule out any trauma. No missing around on this. I hope she is ok For anyone who is a ref, is there currently an emphasis on dealing with head trauma in game? I mean, I used to ref but that was like six years ago and I only took an R9 class then anyway. Immediately halting play to deal with a head injury is something that only came to the EPL like last season, so this is fairly new in the soccer world, but that doesn't make it any less of a pertinent issue. Is it the referee's responsibility to check a player who is returning to the match after a blow to the head, or does that fall on the coach to know when/if the player is able to continue playing?
|
|
|
Post by alacrity174 on Nov 1, 2016 13:51:08 GMT -5
ridiculous! This is another example of how the refs are not educated enough on protecting the goalkeeper. (or knowing what the protocol is ). I have seen it every weekend. Keeper has hand (sometimes both) on the ball and player attempts to kick the ball out of hands. (sometimes resulting in a goal). Cleats up when striker slides into keeper (even though keeper clearly has 2/3 steps advantage. Not one card or warning. This has to be addressed! The NFL/College/HS all protect the QB. The same is needed for goalkeepers or it will continue to be a problem. As for not proper technique, I didn't witness the play so not sure. In the event of a 1v1 break away, your training teaches you how to best avoid an injury. Maybe the situation called for the keeper to go feet first. I'm not sure. But the bottom line is to get proper training. If this isnt done then its the fault of the parent and Coach. They both have to be on the same page in regards to the safety of the player. Head injury is the scariest of them all and should be over emphasized by the ref. I would rather have my kid sit out the rest of the game and go to the ER to rule out any trauma. No missing around on this. I hope she is ok For anyone who is a ref, is there currently an emphasis on dealing with head trauma in game? I mean, I used to ref but that was like six years ago and I only took an R9 class then anyway. Immediately halting play to deal with a head injury is something that only came to the EPL like last season, so this is fairly new in the soccer world, but that doesn't make it any less of a pertinent issue. Is it the referee's responsibility to check a player who is returning to the match after a blow to the head, or does that fall on the coach to know when/if the player is able to continue playing? Good question, the direction given to referees if there is a "suspected" head injury the game is to be stopped immediately and the coach called on, if there is a trainer then they should evaluate the player and make recommendations, if no trainer the coach is the person who makes the judgement call on if player returns or not. The referee has no discretion in this and cannot bar a player from returning unless there is a blood injury when we have the ability to say no return until the blood is removed (new shirt etc). Here is a link to the GA Soccer Concussion Awareness policy, as you can see the Coach should have taken a course in this and be aware of the actions to be taken. www.georgiasoccer.org/concussion_awareness/
|
|
|
Post by allthingsoccer on Nov 1, 2016 15:03:51 GMT -5
alacrity174... the coach isnt a trained medical personal as well but the rules (law) says that its the coach should. Well the coach should do it but in some cases they wont do whats the best interest in health of the player.
I know we have a shortage of refs in the state and most of them younger than 18 so hard for them to make that judgement. But I still think refs should be able to make the call.
I understand the LOTG. If they did slide tackle and did it with proper technique no way getting red card (unless they have you as a ref). Just saying. Anyways, I see more non calls than I do calls for field players attacking a keeper. More calls for field players vs field players.
|
|
|
Post by alacrity174 on Nov 1, 2016 15:38:45 GMT -5
alacrity174... the coach isnt a trained medical personal as well but the rules (law) says that its the coach should. Well the coach should do it but in some cases they wont do whats the best interest in health of the player. I know we have a shortage of refs in the state and most of them younger than 18 so hard for them to make that judgement. But I still think refs should be able to make the call. I understand the LOTG. If they did slide tackle and did it with proper technique no way getting red card (unless they have you as a ref). Just saying. Anyways, I see more non calls than I do calls for field players attacking a keeper. More calls for field players vs field players. As I said the ref cannot veto any player returning to the field, it is not in our remit. Regarding he rest I cannot comment on what you have seen but I will say parents have a very jaundiced view of games and what they believe should be called, honestly most are wrong and the players know this as it is discussed on the field amongst them and the refs. I'm not saying you are wrong in every case but from experience most of what comes in from the sideline is laughable. And again the goalie gets no special treatment other than when they have possession of the ball or when jumping to collect it.
|
|
|
Post by Soccerhouse on Nov 2, 2016 16:06:12 GMT -5
US Soccer just sent this email out -- U.S. Soccer U.S SOCCER’S RECOGNIZE TO RECOVER PROGRAM RELEASES COMPELLING NEW VIDEO ON CONCUSSION AWARENESS Educational Video Provides Players, Coaches, Parents and Referees Insight on How to Recognize Concussions and Handle Return to Play; Video Follows Young Player’s Journey and Features Former U.S. Men’s National Team Player Taylor Twellman CHICAGO (Nov. 2, 2016) – U.S. Soccer released a new video on recognizing and managing concussions, highlighting the important role parents, players, coaches, referees and health professionals play in the return to play process. The video is part of U.S. Soccer’s Recognize to Recover (R2R) player health and safety program, and is designed to raise awareness of this important issue and will be used in coach and referee continued education. The video, which is available to download and encouraged to be shared, follows the journey of a young soccer player through a suspected concussion and outlines the symptoms of concussions and the steps that should be taken before a player is allowed to return to the field. As the video weaves between reality and what takes place in the player’s mind, we see how both the physical and mental symptoms of concussions have very real effects. Watch the video - “A concussion can be difficult to recognize on the field and most occur without a loss of consciousness or an obvious sign that something is wrong with a player’s brain function,” said U.S. Soccer Chief Medical Officer George Chiampas. “If players, parents, coaches and referees work together to educate themselves and take proper precautions, athletes and parents can both enjoy exciting, challenging competition without the constant fear of serious injury.” Q&A with George Chiampas about concussions in soccer -- www.ussoccer.com/stories/2016/10/27/18/34/161027-recognize-to-recover-r2r-qa-with-us-soccer-chief-medical-officer-dr-george-chiampasFormer U.S. Men’s National Team player Taylor Twellman, who suffered concussions during his professional career, is also part of the video. Speaking from first-hand experience, Twellman emphasizes the importance for players to ask for help if they feel they may have suffered a concussion. “My passion for this subject is well known throughout the soccer community,” Twellman said. “I was honored that U.S. Soccer asked me to be a part of this program to hopefully make a difference in the way we evaluate and recover from concussions.” Earlier this week, the video was presented on a webinar to U.S Soccer’s membership from across the country, including state associations, youth organizations and Development Academy clubs. Each member was provided the video and encouraged to share it with their players, coaches, parents and referees. Recognize to Recover is aimed at promoting safe play and reducing injuries in soccer players of all ages. The first-of-its-kind program was developed with the help of medical experts to provide coaches, players, parents and referees with information, guidance and additional educational materials to improve the prevention and management of injuries. To learn more about Recognize to Recover, visit www.recognizetorecover.org/- ussoccer.com -
|
|