2316
Jr. Academy
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Post by 2316 on Feb 26, 2017 8:41:50 GMT -5
Does anyone know if any of the local u12 DA clubs are participating in the Dallas Cup? If so, which ones?
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Post by allthingsoccer on Feb 27, 2017 11:00:13 GMT -5
Not sure. The only clubs that would do well is Concorde or Atlanta United
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Post by Soccerhouse on Feb 27, 2017 12:13:58 GMT -5
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Post by allthingsoccer on Feb 27, 2017 12:17:00 GMT -5
the U12's are going but its the 05's and its the MLS Cup not Dallas Cup. Same thing they did last year.
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Post by Soccerhouse on Feb 27, 2017 12:18:57 GMT -5
Makes ya wonder why for this year, they didn't call it 2017 Generation Adidas cup: 2005s vs confusing the world with u12 nomenclature.
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Post by Futsal Gawdess on Feb 27, 2017 13:46:16 GMT -5
Not sure. The only clubs that would do well is Concorde or Atlanta United Out of curiosity why do you say only Concorde or AU will do well, are you trying to say no other club has the propensity to do well in these types of tournaments?
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Post by allthingsoccer on Feb 27, 2017 14:06:32 GMT -5
Futsal Gawdess... The reason why I said that is because of the talent pool. In the Fall season Concorde and Atlanta pretty much dominated. If the season was based off a points system (3-win, 1-Tie) AtlUtd had 56, Concorde had 53. Next closest was 34 (UFA and SSA)
This is based off the 2004's. The 2005's might be a different story.
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Post by Soccerhouse on Feb 27, 2017 15:01:09 GMT -5
Good and bad thing about 9v9, anything can happen! field gets tight with the 9th player, the middle tends to be clogged up a bit. Teams that just work hard regardless of their style of play can be successful. The team that gang tackles with 2 or 3 guys can cause teams lots of problems. In my opinion the 9th player makes it easier for the lesser team to compete, by just simply clogging up space. On a big field with plenty of width, 9v9 is perfect. Lots of space to open the opposition and tear them a new one, but throw that same team on some of these narrow 9v9 bumpy pitches and it gets much harder. I see it all the time, a lesser team, just runs and chases and swarms the ball with numbers, never puts a combination of passes together, punts, and never plays a simple ball on the ground -- they win but were clearly outplayed. Yes, I know I hate the "we lost 4-0, but man we were the better team...." But you get what I'm saying.
I think there is a fine line with playing to win and then playing horrible soccer to win. I have no issues with teams playing to win, that is what competition is about, but at some point for example, punting and big ball after big ball at 9v9 gets a little ridiculous. Throw in the swarming the ball defensive mentality of working hard and it explains why so many kids never understand how to open up and receive a ball, and play the ball on the ground and just play simple.
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Post by Futsal Gawdess on Feb 27, 2017 15:19:16 GMT -5
Allthingsoccer... I concur with Soccerhouse about the pliability of 9 players per side on the pitch at a time in addition to the ages of these players - anything can happen, but i'd also like to add that it was brought to my attention that the CF team has no 2005s, other than one GK, plus friends who are parents of some of the boys on CF are of the belief that CF leadership is more interested in winning than in the true development of the players. I do know that when AU and UFA plays, development is the mantra as opposed to other clubs where both clubs try to even out the teams as best as they can. Not surprised by the cohesiveness of both AU/UFA since a few of coaches at AU came from UFA, including the guy on to TA. I think next year when the DA mandate is in effect and most teams play within their correct age groups, it will be a different outcome. So what i'm saying is it isn't apples to apples.
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Post by Keeperkeeper on Feb 27, 2017 15:27:12 GMT -5
Futsal Gawdess... The reason why I said that is because of the talent pool. In the Fall season Concorde and Atlanta pretty much dominated. If the season was based off a points system (3-win, 1-Tie) AtlUtd had 56, Concorde had 53. Next closest was 34 (UFA and SSA) This is based off the 2004's. The 2005's might be a different story. I think this was discussed in another thread, but I don't think that you can use a win-loss system with the u12 fall season to determine strongest team. Most teams didn't set a top team and a bottom team, so you are not even comparing the same team from week to week. All of the teams suffered defeat at some point--even AU. Additionally, most teams (except Concorde) have at least five 05s. Interestingly, SSA and UFA have the most 05s on their 04 team. Based on that knowledge, I think that there would be more teams that are viable in out of state competition. And, Soccerhouse, I couldn't agree more. Playing to win and playing good futbol, especially at the younger ages, are slightly different agendas. Teaching a team to possess the ball and encouraging creativity may be a little more important at the younger ages (before 14) than teaching kids to win at all cost. It's a delicate balance to teach skill and encourage players to win their games.
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Post by Soccerhouse on Feb 27, 2017 15:27:35 GMT -5
But to his point Atlanta United and Concorde probably do have the most depth when it comes to their roster, some of what is driven by age etc. Concorde looked good when I've seen them play, so good I was pleasantly surprised. But I'm still the fool who thought Atlanta United was going to rip a new one in everyone week to week!
I wish they would implement one weekend in the fall and spring where the u12s travel to play north carolina teams and then maybe one weekend when they got to florida.
Will be interesting to see what clubs do next year with the u12 group, would hope most stick with 2006s. the 2007 group is awfully young...
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Post by Futsal Gawdess on Feb 27, 2017 15:38:48 GMT -5
But to his point Atlanta United and Concorde probably do have the most depth when it comes to their roster, some of what is driven by age etc. Concorde looked good when I've seen them play, so good I was pleasantly surprised. But I'm still the fool who thought Atlanta United was going to rip a new one in everyone week to week! I wish they would implement one weekend in the fall and spring where the u12s travel to play north carolina teams and then maybe one weekend when they got to florida. Will be interesting to see what clubs do next year with the u12 group, would hope most stick with 2006s. the 2007 group is awfully young... I agree, now that would be a great trip, because then you would see the true fruits of your labor. How good are you, what do you need to improve on, what should be emphasized more... um oh yeah Development :-)
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Post by Soccerhouse on Feb 27, 2017 15:44:45 GMT -5
The federation is stuck on kids and the number of games they play, but kids want to play games. Kids want to play! Just thank goodness they don't have substitution limitations at this age, otherwise our sport would be ruined. To me the substitution rules at u13/u14 says its not about development but about winning and playing your top players 75% of every game. I see no harm in taking a kid out and bringing him at half time or the 2nd half. Its a great opportunity to coach a kid during a game.
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Post by mightydawg on Feb 27, 2017 16:21:39 GMT -5
Doesn't develop require teaching kids how to be successful playing the game in multiple ways? Some games require possession, moving the ball around the back and probing for weaknesses. Other games require the ability to play direct to take advantage of the other's team weakness or over aggression. However, in terms of developing a player tactically, don't you have to teach a player when to play possession v. playing direct? There is no one "right" way to play soccer.
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Post by gaprospects on Feb 27, 2017 17:56:54 GMT -5
I wish they would implement one weekend in the fall and spring where the u12s travel to play north carolina teams and then maybe one weekend when they got to florida. Some of that has happened organically. Some teams arranged friendlies for the weekend of the Futsal Showcase. I know AtlUtd played Charlotte SA.
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Post by allthingsoccer on Feb 28, 2017 13:28:36 GMT -5
Futsal Gawdess... Completely wrong on the idea that CF is all about winning (not the U12 squad). They didnt want to take any 05's (besides the keeper) because they didnt want to take up the 04's spots. Most clubs forced to take 05's because of lack of depth of 04's) Concorde are bringing up 6x 05's as DP's in the Spring to give them an opportunity and to shake things up a bit.
I made that comment by an educated review of the Fall season. I just made a point that CF and AU have the most talent, not saying that others are not developing.
They watch film during the season and the coach does a great job on pointing out mistakes, weakness, position, when to attack etc.. They watched old film from the LSA game in the Fall to prepare for season opener this weekend.
It's up to the "Home" team to decide to go mix or stacked. I do know for a fact that most teams "Stack" when they are not supposed to. CF has changed rosters almost every game and so does AU. UFA usually put's 05's together and stacks the other. But agree that anything can happen with a 12 year old.
Yes I agree that AtlUtd does have the coaches from UFA but not for long. They had to shotgun a program so they pulled from who they know. Tony is legit and would be hard to replace but the other coaches not so much.
By having this many teams what will happen is some teams will have all Classic 1 level players, some teams will have Classic 1, 2 level. and some teams will have Classic 1, 2 ,3 level players.
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