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Post by chipolopolo on Aug 8, 2017 6:43:32 GMT -5
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Post by surgesoccer on Aug 8, 2017 11:00:57 GMT -5
This is for Boys: How does MOBA get Classic 1 having never played a season. And AFC team that ranked #6 per SINC in Classic 2. Did the entire AFC team jump to MOBA?
SINC #4 UFA Norcross gets put in Classic 2 while #27 Athens United, #21 NTH NASA, and Unranked Smyrna (Gomez) get into Classic 1.
Not seeing the logic in those two decisions.
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Post by Soccerhouse on Aug 8, 2017 11:04:18 GMT -5
This is for Boys: How does MOBA get Classic 1 having never played a season. And AFC team that ranked #6 per SINC in Classic 2. Did the entire AFC team jump to MOBA? SINC #4 UFA Norcross gets put in Classic 2 while #27 Athens United, #21 NTH NASA, and Unranked Smyrna (Gomez) get into Classic 1. Not seeing the logic in those two decisions. Which age group??
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Post by SoccerMom on Aug 8, 2017 11:06:23 GMT -5
This is for Boys: How does MOBA get Classic 1 having never played a season. And AFC team that ranked #6 per SINC in Classic 2. Did the entire AFC team jump to MOBA? SINC #4 UFA Norcross gets put in Classic 2 while #27 Athens United, #21 NTH NASA, and Unranked Smyrna (Gomez) get into Classic 1. Not seeing the logic in those two decisions. Sinc rankings are not real. Those are not always entered except for sinc tournaments. The actual application for Select you have to list your roster and what level they played the year before, that determines the placement
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Post by touchlinedad on Aug 8, 2017 15:15:10 GMT -5
For U19 Girls, there are two Athena A brackets and two Athena B brackets, divided geographically. But for the U19 Boys, there are FOUR Classic 1 brackets. That makes no sense.
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Post by TheMadOx on Aug 8, 2017 15:33:35 GMT -5
At the younger age groups, teams change quite a bit with the ECNL, DA, SRPL, blah, blah, blah....Your U13 teams are affected especially this year with intro of girls ECNL, 14 affected by Girls DA and ECNL...I'm sure the boys are affect in a similar manner.
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Post by Keeper on Aug 8, 2017 22:46:45 GMT -5
For U19 Girls, there are two Athena A brackets and two Athena B brackets, divided geographically. But for the U19 Boys, there are FOUR Classic 1 brackets. That makes no sense. Well when 40 of the 62 19U teams declared Classic 1 it really made it impossible to properly divide them.
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Post by justaparent on Aug 9, 2017 8:17:20 GMT -5
This is for Boys: How does MOBA get Classic 1 having never played a season. And AFC team that ranked #6 per SINC in Classic 2. Did the entire AFC team jump to MOBA? SINC #4 UFA Norcross gets put in Classic 2 while #27 Athens United, #21 NTH NASA, and Unranked Smyrna (Gomez) get into Classic 1. Not seeing the logic in those two decisions.
The AFC team that was #6 no longer exists. 8 of them are now on the DA team and 4 of them went to MOBA. Two others ended up elsewhere.
Based on that, you could make the argument that the AFC Gold should start out at Classic III instead of Classic II, but it will all work out though the season.
MOBA may struggle in Classic I. Again, we'll see. I think I'd have good reason to be upset if they took my team's spot.
Edit: I just looked again and I see that AFC 05 Boys are actually in Classic III. That's probably a good starting point for them to see where they will shake out. I think the brackets may have gotten that one right. The MOBA thing is interesting, though.
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Post by justaparent on Aug 9, 2017 8:19:12 GMT -5
This is for Boys: How does MOBA get Classic 1 having never played a season. And AFC team that ranked #6 per SINC in Classic 2. Did the entire AFC team jump to MOBA? SINC #4 UFA Norcross gets put in Classic 2 while #27 Athens United, #21 NTH NASA, and Unranked Smyrna (Gomez) get into Classic 1. Not seeing the logic in those two decisions. Sinc rankings are not real. Those are not always entered except for sinc tournaments. The actual application for Select you have to list your roster and what level they played the year before, that determines the placement U13s played an Academy season the year before. It must be much tougher to figure out where they belong. The rankings might be the only useful tool to use.
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Post by SoccerMom on Aug 9, 2017 9:42:07 GMT -5
Sinc rankings are not real. Those are not always entered except for sinc tournaments. The actual application for Select you have to list your roster and what level they played the year before, that determines the placement U13s played an Academy season the year before. It must be much tougher to figure out where they belong. The rankings might be the only useful tool to use. Some teams enter the Academy Cup as to try to get a better placement. But teams declare what level they think they should be in and the level of their players based on the year before. Fall U13 is a tricky year, and now with ECNL starting at U13...next year GDA will as well (boys already start at u12). Spring of U13 will be a better indicator of where teams stand.
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Post by touchlinedad on Aug 9, 2017 11:06:46 GMT -5
For U19 Girls, there are two Athena A brackets and two Athena B brackets, divided geographically. But for the U19 Boys, there are FOUR Classic 1 brackets. That makes no sense. Well when 40 of the 62 19U teams declared Classic 1 it really made it impossible to properly divide them. Couldn't Georgia Soccer look at last fall's results and figure it out? I can understand having two Classic 2 brackets but four brackets makes no sense, considering some of the teams in these brackets were U18 Classic 3 or finished near the bottom of U18 Classic 2 last fall. It further dilutes what it means to be Classic 1. And where are all these teams coming from? There were four brackets of 42 teams in the fall of 2016 and now there are six brackets of 62 teams. You usually have fewer teams as teams get older. Last year you had 98s and 99s playing together but the 98 players are not longer allowed as there is now U19/U20 bracket.
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Post by Keeper on Aug 9, 2017 12:13:24 GMT -5
Well when 40 of the 62 19U teams declared Classic 1 it really made it impossible to properly divide them. Couldn't Georgia Soccer look at last fall's results and figure it out? I can understand having two Classic 2 brackets but four brackets makes no sense, considering some of the teams in these brackets were U18 Classic 3 or finished near the bottom of U18 Classic 2 last fall. It further dilutes what it means to be Classic 1. And where are all these teams coming from? There were four brackets of 42 teams in the fall of 2016 and now there are six brackets of 62 teams. You usually have fewer teams as teams get older. Last year you had 98s and 99s playing together but the 98 players are not longer allowed as there is now U19/U20 bracket. Well you can't really judge last falls results due to all the player movement. I mean my club went from having one team last year as C1 in 18U and a 19U team (made up of a majority of 18U/17U players) won C2 to now having three 19U C1 teams. A lot of new players came from DA, R3PL and other clubs so any team that has 50% plus 1 of C1 or higher players can declare C1. Plus you have to remember there use to not be a U18 division, it jumped from U17 to U19 to cover all seniors. So I would assume a lot of true 18Us that are seniors are now playing 19U to play out their last year with their longtime teammates. I'm actually happy with them making 4 C1 brackets. I mean at the younger 13U and 14U ages they cram 15 teams into a division because certain clubs demand they play at Classic 1 or Athena A. This way as seniors they play a healthy 8-9 game season and you'll have 4 teams be able to say they won Classic 1. Divisions should have no more then 11 teams tops, so 10 games, and if they have to make multiple top divisions to appease those clubs then do it. So great job to Steve Keiss for making the 19U brackets!
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Post by surgesoccer on Aug 9, 2017 12:48:00 GMT -5
SoccerMom how does the Academy Cup Impact level of Classic you qualify for? And is this the Spring Academy Cup you are talking about?
Just curious because UFA Norcross won the top u12 9v9 division (Red) in the Spring.
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Post by justaparent on Aug 9, 2017 12:53:57 GMT -5
SoccerMom how does the Academy Cup Impact level of Classic you qualify for? And is this the Spring Academy Cup you are talking about? Just curious because UFA Norcross won the top u12 9v9 division (Red) in the Spring. I would have to imagine that a good chunk of that team is now on the UFA DA team. Based on that assumption, they may have asked to be assigned to Classic II.
While MOBA was going for image and asked for Classic I before they even played a game.
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Post by surgesoccer on Aug 9, 2017 13:04:25 GMT -5
UFA Norcross lost 3 players to DA and 1 to Atlanta United, so 8 returning players. Plus brought in 9 players from other clubs, and 1 player from the previous red team. Most of the UFA DA team came from the UFA Fowler team with only 2 players on this years UFA Fowler u13 team having played with it (u12) last year.
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Post by justaparent on Aug 9, 2017 13:29:32 GMT -5
UFA Norcross lost 3 players to DA and 1 to Atlanta United, so 8 returning players. Plus brought in 9 players from other clubs, and 1 player from the previous red team. Most of the UFA DA team came from the UFA Fowler team with only 2 players on this years UFA Fowler u13 team having played with it (u12) last year. If that UFA Norcross team only lost 4 players, I would expect them to beat MOBA by 5 or 6 goals. They were a deep team. Again, it will start shaking out on the field.
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Post by surgesoccer on Aug 9, 2017 13:49:43 GMT -5
Not in the Fall. Currently Norcross has been put in Classic 2. They will have to go through Fall and look to make the jump in the Spring. And if MOBA is primarily the AFC team from last year, Norcross beat them all three times they played.
Based on the players that came in to Norcross, they will be better this year than last year.
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Post by justaparent on Aug 9, 2017 14:09:30 GMT -5
Not in the Fall. Currently Norcross has been put in Classic 2. They will have to go through Fall and look to make the jump in the Spring. And if MOBA is primarily the AFC team from last year, Norcross beat them all three times they played. Based on the players that came in to Norcross, they will be better this year than last year. MOBA only has 4 players from the AFC 05 Gold team. If they end up being competitive in Classic I, I would be surprised. I wish them luck, but I'm not sure it's the best placement for them.
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Post by Soccerhouse on Aug 9, 2017 14:14:28 GMT -5
Has club reached out to the age group coordinator? Something does sound fishy...... Its not a perfect science, but something seems odd.
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Post by surgesoccer on Aug 9, 2017 14:30:06 GMT -5
The MOBA development will be interesting. Have not been to the facility but the fields and everything looks top notch. Too bad AFC and them could not come to an agreement. Tough for both to thrive if they split players.
I believe UFA Norcross is reaching out but who knows. I know one of the Dalton teams (not sure of age) was put in Classic 2 and killed everyone they played, and then made the jump to Classic 1. Have not heard how that went.
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Post by touchlinedad on Aug 10, 2017 13:09:51 GMT -5
Couldn't Georgia Soccer look at last fall's results and figure it out? I can understand having two Classic 2 brackets but four brackets makes no sense, considering some of the teams in these brackets were U18 Classic 3 or finished near the bottom of U18 Classic 2 last fall. It further dilutes what it means to be Classic 1. And where are all these teams coming from? There were four brackets of 42 teams in the fall of 2016 and now there are six brackets of 62 teams. You usually have fewer teams as teams get older. Last year you had 98s and 99s playing together but the 98 players are not longer allowed as there is now U19/U20 bracket. Well you can't really judge last falls results due to all the player movement. I mean my club went from having one team last year as C1 in 18U and a 19U team (made up of a majority of 18U/17U players) won C2 to now having three 19U C1 teams. A lot of new players came from DA, R3PL and other clubs so any team that has 50% plus 1 of C1 or higher players can declare C1. Plus you have to remember there use to not be a U18 division, it jumped from U17 to U19 to cover all seniors. So I would assume a lot of true 18Us that are seniors are now playing 19U to play out their last year with their longtime teammates. I'm actually happy with them making 4 C1 brackets. I mean at the younger 13U and 14U ages they cram 15 teams into a division because certain clubs demand they play at Classic 1 or Athena A. This way as seniors they play a healthy 8-9 game season and you'll have 4 teams be able to say they won Classic 1. Divisions should have no more then 11 teams tops, so 10 games, and if they have to make multiple top divisions to appease those clubs then do it. So great job to Steve Keiss for making the 19U brackets! ------------------------------------------------------------------------- I completely disagree. If you look back at the results, there's one team that was U18 Classic 2 last fall and lost every game. Yet they are in a U19 Classic 1 bracket this fall whereas a team that finished above them last fall remains in Classic 2. Georgia Soccer needs to stop appeasing these clubs and tell a team that finished in sixth place last fall in Classic 3 that they cannot jump to Classic 1. There should be at least two Classic 1 brackets, two Classic 2 bracket and two Classic 3 brackets.
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