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Post by soccerfan30 on Jan 26, 2018 19:03:28 GMT -5
Big changes coming to ECNL per the AGM this weekend. Some clubs may have some hard choices to make.
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Post by rocko1989 on Jan 26, 2018 20:16:43 GMT -5
Would you be willing to share what you know, or where we can find this information?
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Post by Futsal Gawdess on Jan 26, 2018 20:25:03 GMT -5
I'm guessing this is tied to the ongoing palaver between DA and ECNL. Guessing one or both is mandating that each club choose one or the other. Guess TH and CF have a choice to make. Does this affect the boys also?
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Post by Soccerhouse on Jan 26, 2018 22:15:38 GMT -5
That’s some juicy stuff!!! Please telll....
We need some more excitement around here!!
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Post by Keeper on Jan 26, 2018 23:16:15 GMT -5
Oh I hope clubs have to choice between DA and ECNL!!! Love the drama it’ll create at the mega clubs again.
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Post by rifle on Jan 27, 2018 8:28:59 GMT -5
Is this another mandate from the Federation, favoring one group to the detriment of another?
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Post by soccerfan30 on Jan 27, 2018 9:23:29 GMT -5
Prefer not to say until an official announcement but someone may have alluded to it already provided the measure passes.
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Post by Soccerhouse on Jan 27, 2018 16:40:58 GMT -5
It wouldn’t be youth soccer without drastic annual change. What a crazy few years!!!! Never would of thought 5 years ago we would see what’s going on now.
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Post by rifle on Jan 27, 2018 18:09:21 GMT -5
A truly open pyramid with clubs earning their way in every age group is the system that is needed, from youth to pro - men and women. And it'll never happen here because greedy a-holes have been at the wheel for decades building walls and declaring superiority.
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Post by Futsal Gawdess on Jan 27, 2018 18:31:15 GMT -5
On a separate note, any truths to NTH and LSA joining forces? If so, anyone know the details?
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Post by paterfamilias on Jan 27, 2018 19:51:59 GMT -5
Rifle. Completely agree with the open pyramid. That is the way for competition to flourish. Although cream rises to the top regardless.
It is part greed and part fear and insecurities that driving those walls. Coaches don't want to necessarily compete against the best for fear they will be exposed for selling pipe dreams to little Messi's parents.
Most realistic expectations for our kids would lead to more realistic pay (read lower) for the full time staff. But higher still for the best.
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Post by reinalocura on Jan 27, 2018 20:15:12 GMT -5
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Post by Soccerhouse on Jan 27, 2018 21:38:07 GMT -5
Interesting - boys first AGM
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Post by Keeper on Jan 28, 2018 0:00:50 GMT -5
Are you freaking kidding me?!? Another merger for the mega clubs! 🤦🏻♂️
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Post by Futsal Gawdess on Jan 28, 2018 0:13:12 GMT -5
Are you freaking kidding me?!? Another merger for the mega clubs! 🤦🏻♂️ I'm with you, I just don't see the benefit of this Alliance. Unless they are going to send their DA players to the traditional NTH and their ECNL players to their alliance club of LSA. Curious why this came about too...
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Post by Soccerhouse on Jan 28, 2018 0:42:06 GMT -5
Very interesting. Kind of odd with the focus on girls given Ga United is no more. I guess they perceive Atlanta united as a partnership through the ID program. Lanier has some quality kids for sure.
Far as heck from every other club.
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Post by spectator on Jan 28, 2018 8:43:11 GMT -5
Are you freaking kidding me?!? Another merger for the mega clubs! 🤦🏻♂️ What exactly is a “Strategic Alliance” and how does it benefit an entire club? The truth is that a program like that is just PC speak for “we will hokd a Tryout, poach your best players, sell the parents on the benefit to your special little cupcake, and invite your player to hsul it to our facilities or events but you stay with your club”
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Post by Soccerhouse on Jan 28, 2018 9:16:49 GMT -5
spectator you left out “and when were done your club will no longer be recognizable. Oh yea, your fees will also go up”
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Post by zizou on Jan 29, 2018 10:03:12 GMT -5
Prefer not to say until an official announcement but someone may have alluded to it already provided the measure passes. You might have been at the AGM; I was not. Only have second-hand information and we all have had telephone experiences. That being said, my impression was that any dramatic modifications to ECNL membership requirements would happen over the course of years, not, for instance, being immediately implemented for 2018. Regardless, the only way this would make sense to me is if they implemented additional modifications. To echo rifle, they should implement a pro/rel system immediately by integrating season competition with NPL via joint affiliation with US Club Soccer. They are already doing a variant of this with the boys. They then become inclusive rather than exclusive, could have something resembling a National Championship structure (except for DA teams), and might simultaneously cut travel costs because there might be more local competition because there would be more teams. There might be uneven competition for a bit, but everyone would find their own level. You might ask, "Don't we have this with State Associations now?" Yes, but I think part of the problem is State Associations; they make for bad soccer playing boundaries for multiple reasons. The other thing ECNL have to do is foster more regional PDP events. Have them monthly. Don't make kids travel multiple days per week to train with higher level players. Keep them in the local environment and then have the deserving players come together once per month at multiple centers across the country. I know, everything old is new again. Except I also think they have to include more players. Give players something to shoot for. You might say, "Don't we have something like this with NTC?" Yes, but we all know the problem(s) with NTC. Again, be inclusive, not exclusive. Incentivize clubs for getting players to PDP and performing well. This is one way to foster a loyal following, how to maximize involvement, and hope to give the most players possible the opportunity to experience higher level training and exposure in stimulating learning environments.
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Post by rifle on Jan 29, 2018 14:00:35 GMT -5
IMHO (Like MLS) DA teams should not be excluded from any pyramid structure.
(Like MLS) DA teams should be able to comfortably stay on top.. but that position should not be given or purchased. It should be taken.
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Post by zizou on Jan 29, 2018 14:06:25 GMT -5
IMHO (Like MLS) DA teams should not be excluded from any pyramid structure. (Like MLS) DA teams should be able to comfortably stay on top.. but that position should not be given or purchased. It should be taken. I wholeheartedly agree. The only reason I excluded them is that they exclude themselves.
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Post by rifle on Jan 29, 2018 14:09:05 GMT -5
IMHO (Like MLS) DA teams should not be excluded from any pyramid structure. (Like MLS) DA teams should be able to comfortably stay on top.. but that position should not be given or purchased. It should be taken. I wholeheartedly agree. The only reason I excluded them is that they exclude themselves. Understood. I have hopes that things can change, but fears that nothing changes.
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Post by Soccerhouse on Jan 29, 2018 14:14:54 GMT -5
They will continue to exclude themselves, I expect some elite super MLS only DA to roll out any day now. Its good and bad, if you are that much better than everyone else (when snagging all the top players) leaves very little competition week to week. But it also then makes US soccer "assume" the top kids in this country are only at MLS DAs etc. We already are pretty much in the stage where if you don't play DA, you have very little chance of being "identified".
ECNL could really embrace this concept and grow and really take on some sort of promotion/relegation system similar to RPL etc. They could replace the state associations and then implement a top tier table that is earned. I like the idea of also requiring player continuity etc.
My guess is we are passed this, at this point the discussions at the this point are more about financial decisions then development. one thing is for sure, you can't argue with the success of ECNL for girls. The big negatives I'd say from an outsider were cost and it being club based vs team based. But that's bringing up bigger issues etc, and a lot deeper discussions about logistics from year to year and to keep a league thriving.
I liked the methods ECNL were pushing towards, multiple coaches per team etc. I've seen a lot of local DA teams, its just one coach, Yea other coaches show up at games etc, but they aren't at training sessions.
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Post by Futsal Gawdess on Jan 29, 2018 14:42:18 GMT -5
I personally believe many of our youth leagues are watered down. There is no clear path as to who the top of the Pyramid is. I for one would love to see the MLS create their own version of a DA system. They would play each other and it should be free. In addition, I think it should be a residency program. That way there is no issue of oh I live in South Georgia so AU is out of the question. The only kids that should be allowed in the program are the best of the best who truly have a chance and want to be Pros or on the Nat'l Team. Those that are only playing for colleges would then be in the regular DA teams. Remove the politics of who you know, money and distance being an obstacle. These boys would eat, sleep and drink soccer 24/7. Boys outside of this system would know what the payoff is and strive to get to that level. Much like the ECNL was the defacto top tier league for girls for years. It is what has worked for decades in the more successful soccer cultures. Just my 2 cents.
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Post by neymarscleats on Jan 31, 2018 20:30:24 GMT -5
Spreading gossip here but I have heard from two different sources that TH gets to keep both DA and ECNL. Just keeping the conversation going to see if anyone heard any updates.
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Post by Futsal Gawdess on Jan 31, 2018 23:03:23 GMT -5
Last year a friend in another city/state informed me that there was some obscure rule that was being applied to clubs who had been granted DA, who currently had ECNL. Can't remember the rule, but it went something like if your club had finished in the top echelon of their age group or been in a final, they would be exempt from having losing ECNL and could keep both. Her daughter was lucky enough to be able to decide which division to play. She in turn also told me of a rival club who decided to create an "alliance" with another local club since they didn't meet the requirements for keeping both. That way, some girls stayed with the main club for DA and they funneled a whole set of other girls to the club they were "Strategically Aligned" with. Ring a Bell - lsasharks.com/news/item/3-club-news/98-sharks-girls-program-strategic-alliance-announced-at-lsa-awards-gala
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Post by chelseafan on Feb 1, 2018 13:29:58 GMT -5
Yeah, but based on the opinions of the folks who kids play in both programs or have played in both, which program is the better fit?
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Post by Futsal Gawdess on Feb 1, 2018 14:00:37 GMT -5
In one sentence, it depends on your kid and what she wants to do. Does your kid want to play HS soccer and ODP, then ECNL is the only route. I personally also think, if your kid is of age for the U14s/U15s or higher, she should go the ECNL route. Girls DA is still new and finding its way. It will have some growing pains. Unfortunately, your kid does not have the luxury of waiting a few years for US Soccer to fix things since college coaches start giving recruiting at 14/15 and giving scholarship offers as early as 16. In a few years US Soccer will hopefully have fixed the major issues with GDA and at that point the federation will start pouring money, marketing, support and recruiting to the GDA progam.
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Post by SoccerMom on Feb 4, 2018 0:04:16 GMT -5
Spreading gossip here but I have heard from two different sources that TH gets to keep both DA and ECNL. Just keeping the conversation going to see if anyone heard any updates. I heard the same rumor and that it was based on their standings. Haven't heard anything about CF
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