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Mar 7, 2018 12:31:08 GMT -5
Post by infoguy on Mar 7, 2018 12:31:08 GMT -5
Does anyone have a sense of SSA's plan, given all this DA and ECNL stuff? Right now, SSA has DA up to U14 and NPL. No ECNL. Thanks,
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Mar 7, 2018 13:14:11 GMT -5
Post by Soccerhouse on Mar 7, 2018 13:14:11 GMT -5
My assumption is they applied for at a minimum the u15 DA. My assumption is that they will not be awarded u15 DA (could be way off though).
I would think clubs that only have u12 to u14 DA will really have to think about what is their end game, and what value does only having u12 to u14 DA add to your club?
I think CESA years ago only had the u14 DA age group when DA expanded to u14, but was not awarded the full DA, so they dropped out. Not sure what the point was just competing at a single age group, and I guess they made that same conclusion.
I'd also be interested to know if any Georgia clubs have or were turned down for u12 DA?
Wouldn't it be funny, if we saw a new Georgia United Alliance come back with all the same clubs but UFA for the u15s, u17s and u19s. It won't happen, but would make sense. But what makes sense and what actually works is 2 different stores. The Georgia United alliance was a brilliant concept. The financial commitment from clubs was the biggest issue. But now that its not fully/partially funded, maybe it could work. Heck could probably charge more.....just joking.
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SSA
Mar 7, 2018 13:22:29 GMT -5
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Post by infoguy on Mar 7, 2018 13:22:29 GMT -5
Maybe GA United was the beginning of the end for boys. Meaning, USYS had the RPL and National League track. Wasn't GA ODP supposed to be the super team anyways? And things were clear then, in terms of the best teams and earning your way. Now, it's as clear as mud.
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Mar 7, 2018 13:31:00 GMT -5
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Post by Soccerhouse on Mar 7, 2018 13:31:00 GMT -5
Don't forget once DA somewhat settled in georgia, you had 2 clubs - Ga United and Concorde. You also only had only 2 age groups, so the impact wasn't not nearly like what it was today. still was very exclusive, so ODP while it took some major hits, still had a huge player pool to draw from. Then their was the u14 expansion, which was also a 2 year age band, mostly made up of the older kids, but still had a lot of younger players. Still exclusive, as their was only Concorde and Ga United.
Atlanta United and then DA expansion with adding the u12, u13, u14 age groups changed it dramatically.
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Mar 7, 2018 15:08:46 GMT -5
Post by infoguy on Mar 7, 2018 15:08:46 GMT -5
Should have just added Atlanta United, and left it there.
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SSA
Mar 7, 2018 16:57:52 GMT -5
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Post by parentsoccerfan on Mar 7, 2018 16:57:52 GMT -5
Should have just added Atlanta United, and left it there. Agreed.
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SSA
Mar 7, 2018 19:20:14 GMT -5
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Post by rifle on Mar 7, 2018 19:20:14 GMT -5
Crazy that SSA, the most recent mega-merger club.. is on the outside looking in at both DA and ECNL.
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Mar 7, 2018 19:59:03 GMT -5
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Post by soccerdaddy on Mar 7, 2018 19:59:03 GMT -5
SSA is doing their best to ready themselves for having DA in the older age groups and that is the goal for the club. Remember Mud Creek off of Barret Pkwy near the East-West connector? They are now all Turf fields and will be ready in April. Also, the numbers of players and fields are increasing with each new merger, which is also another check in the box for DA. The DOC Simon Davey has the highest UEFA 'Pro' License, UEFA 'Academy Manager' License, UEFA 'Youth' License and his DA coaches Kelham O’Hanlon and Gareth Evens have UEFA Youth Licenses and are all former players at the highest levels in England. I believe they will be the next club to get the older age groups and the club is in every league except ECNL. Hmmmm, that might give SSA an advantage not being in ECNL 😜 On their site - www.ssaelite.com/Default.aspx?tabid=314296DA status is awarded to a club based on US Soccer's assessment of the club's ability to provide it's players with access to a high-quality training and game-play environment. Factors such as the experience and qualifications of the club's coaching staff are taken into account, along with the number and quality of training and match fields.
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Mar 7, 2018 21:12:55 GMT -5
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Post by SoccerMom on Mar 7, 2018 21:12:55 GMT -5
SSA is doing their best to ready themselves for having DA in the older age groups and that is the goal for the club. Remember Mud Creek off of Barret Pkwy near the East-West connector? They are now all Turf fields and will be ready in April. Also, the numbers of players and fields are increasing with each new merger, which is also another check in the box for DA. The DOC Simon Davey has the highest UEFA 'Pro' License, UEFA 'Academy Manager' License, UEFA 'Youth' License and his DA coaches Kelham O’Hanlon and Gareth Evens have UEFA Youth Licenses and are all former players at the highest levels in England. I believe they will be the next club to get the older age groups and the club is in every league except ECNL. Hmmmm, that might give SSA an advantage not being in ECNL 😜 On their site - www.ssaelite.com/Default.aspx?tabid=314296DA status is awarded to a club based on US Soccer's assessment of the club's ability to provide it's players with access to a high-quality training and game-play environment. Factors such as the experience and qualifications of the club's coaching staff are taken into account, along with the number and quality of training and match fields. I just don't think they're going to award the older age groups to any other clubs
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Mar 7, 2018 21:23:33 GMT -5
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Post by soccerdaddy on Mar 7, 2018 21:23:33 GMT -5
Can you tell me why you think they won’t get it? I wish I knew who was getting the older age groups and I’m sure we will come to know soon. I would like to know why you don’t think so? I value your opinion and knowledge so any feedback would be great 👍
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Post by SoccerMom on Mar 7, 2018 21:42:22 GMT -5
Can you tell me why you think they won’t get it? I wish I knew who was getting the older age groups and I’m sure we will come to know soon. I would like to know why you don’t think so? I value your opinion and knowledge so any feedback would be great 👍 It's nothing against SSA, I just think that more than 3 DA clubs is too much. I understand the u12 having so many to minimize the travel and I was surprised that they extended it to u14 last year. UFA was problably able to get it because they practically ran GA United and had the experience. I personally don't think there should be DA before U15 but AUFC is already doing stuff for even younger kids. Its a huge commitment and young kids do not realize what they're giving up. Boys don't need ECNL as long as you have NPL you get to go to the same championship.
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Mar 7, 2018 21:50:08 GMT -5
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Post by soccerdaddy on Mar 7, 2018 21:50:08 GMT -5
Can you tell me why you think they won’t get it? I wish I knew who was getting the older age groups and I’m sure we will come to know soon. I would like to know why you don’t think so? I value your opinion and knowledge so any feedback would be great 👍 It's nothing against SSA, I just think that more than 3 DA clubs is too much. I understand the u12 having so many to minimize the travel and I was surprised that they extended it to u14 last year. UFA was problably able to get it because they practically ran GA United and had the experience. I personally don't think there should be DA before U15 but AUFC is already doing stuff for even younger kids. Its a huge commitment and young kids do not realize what they're giving up. Boys don't need ECNL as long as you have NPL you get to go to the same championship. Thanks for your feedback! Seems like SSA and a number of other teams will be trying to change the landscape of the Southeast conference.
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Post by SoccerMom on Mar 7, 2018 21:56:06 GMT -5
Its going to be crazy tryouts just like every year.
If rumors are true and CF loses ECNL it will be even crazier. I think both clubs should lose it, it should be either/or and give AFU & GSA a fighting chance to be competitive
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Post by infoguy on Mar 8, 2018 8:40:23 GMT -5
I do hope DA evaluates which club would receive older ages, based on the criteria described by soccerdaddy. Coaching can change from year to year, and it seems all the top shelf coaches at UFA are migrating, or will migrate to AU. All due respect to the remaining or likely to remain coaches at UFA.
SSA has been strategic, like UFA, in terms of staying clear of ECNL and dedicating the club's efforts towards DA. Not saying DA is better than ECNL. Just that a club should pick one or the other.
The complication is that dang ole CF seems to do both well.
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Post by Soccerhouse on Mar 8, 2018 9:24:22 GMT -5
Well I think if/when MLS creates their own DA "league" that will drastically change the landscape again.
My 100% guess on what could happen -- U12 -U14 remains the same and MLS teams compete in normal DA program. U15, U17 and U19 - MLS clubs compete in their own DA league/structure, remaining non-MLS clubs are in the 2nd tier This opens the door for potentially expansion to more local teams
What should happen -- Again this is 100% my opinion and not based on any information. These comments are directed specifically at the boys DA, would have to think more about the Girls. DA should be limited to u15, u17 and u19 age groups. All DA clubs compete in the same structure, and there should not be a first and 2nd tier with MLS clubs being in the top. Every DA club should be required to fund at a minimum 50% of the expenses for each player. If they can't then they are no longer qualified to be a DA club. Substitution restrictions are modified for the u15 age group and players can re-enter the game but not the same half.
edit -- left off one major one -- every State organization can create one DA team located in any city they chose that competes as a regular team in the table and is 100% funded by the state organization. ---- this one would need a lot of thought, but technically could replace some other clubs DA's. probably not feasible, but would bring back the ODP concept, empower the state organizations. However, clubs would lose "ownership" of players etc....
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Post by Futsal Gawdess on Mar 8, 2018 12:04:16 GMT -5
As a parent I worry about our young kids having to go on long road trips for regular season games. I have always liked the fact that we are blessed with 7 local DA clubs so that ensures at least 12 games are local. Here are my thoughts on what I hope could potentially happen.
First off, funding. Everything is about $$$, so I would suggest that all players in DA pay their club dues and US Soccer fund and manage the travel portion. They have the purchasing power and numbers to create alliances with the big hotels and large regional transport companies. This way they hopefully reduce the costs and everyone come up with $$ to pay the clubs(no more than $2k. MLS still required to keep the free model they currently have(except DC United boo) I would keep the individual age groups in the earlier years and double up in the later years. U12, U13, U14, U15, U17, U19. In the later years, it gives the younger aged kids an opportunity to play high school, ODP, etc. If you're a super star or stud as some folks like to say, then you get rostered on a U17 team as a 16 year old.
On the boys side, take away DA for the following clubs: AFC, LSA and potentially NASA(connection with TH, may thwart that), they're just not competitive. When you're getting beat 8/9/10 zip, one needs to re-evaluate things. Keep DA for CF, UFA, AU. I would promote SSA to bring them up to at least U15, as long as they keep showing improvement with all criteria Soccerdaddy mentioned. In a year or two revisit maybe giving SSA U17s.
On the girls side, if I were TH, I would move ECNL to LSA as part of their strategic alliance(not merger, so different clubs). If I were CF, I would move ECNL to Inter-Atlanta or some other club big and rich enough to handle ECNL but not wanting to move into or meet the stringent criteria of DA. I would have ECNL clubs rebrand themselves as the alternate option to DA - ODP, High School, College Bound, etc.
For both girls/boys, I would give clubs both boys/girls DA/ECNL programs. Helps with logistics of brothers/sisters and parents if they only have to go to one location as opposed to multiple locations in Atlanta traffic. Finally, in a year or two, I would consider the "alliance" of KSA, All-in for a DA program. There has been talk for the last year or so of them getting bigger and having the facilities to meet the DA requirements stated by Soccerdaddy.
So ultimately, the layout will look like this DA/GDA - AU | CF, NTH, SSA, UFA ECNL - AFU, CF(Inter), GSA, NTH(LSA)
I will now sit back and await your own comments and ideas.
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Post by Soccerhouse on Mar 8, 2018 12:17:48 GMT -5
.....First off, funding. Everything is about $$$, so I would suggest that all players in DA pay their club dues and US Soccer fund and manage the travel portion. They have the purchasing power and numbers to create alliances with the big hotels and large regional transport companies. This way they hopefully reduce the costs and everyone come up with $$ to pay the clubs(no more than $2k. MLS still required to keep the free model they currently have(except DC United boo) I would keep the individual age groups in the earlier years and double up in the later years. U12, U13, U14, U15, U17, U19. In the later years, it gives the younger aged kids an opportunity to play high school, ODP, etc. If you're a super star or stud as some folks like to say, then you get rostered on a U17 team as a 16 year old. This is kind of what I was getting at when I mentioned at a minimum of 50% funding. Its essentially the GA United model once they went away from being fully funded. Players (parents) paid between 1400 to 1900 up front, then the remainder of all travel related expenses came from the alliance. That being said $$$ was a huge issue with Ga United. From coaches not being paid in a timely manner to only being able to utilize directors as coaches at one point to not have to worry about coaches salaries. Some coaches also had to cover financially for food during trips. $$$ was a huge, huge issue, and ultimately let to a big reason it no longer was viable. yea, i do agree having 7 u12 clubs is nice in Atlanta, but Its a little annoying taking an hour drive on a saturday for one game that results in double digit victory.
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Mar 8, 2018 13:19:35 GMT -5
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Post by SoccerMom on Mar 8, 2018 13:19:35 GMT -5
I do hope DA evaluates which club would receive older ages, based on the criteria described by soccerdaddy. Coaching can change from year to year, and it seems all the top shelf coaches at UFA are migrating, or will migrate to AU. All due respect to the remaining or likely to remain coaches at UFA. SSA has been strategic, like UFA, in terms of staying clear of ECNL and dedicating the club's efforts towards DA. Not saying DA is better than ECNL. Just that a club should pick one or the other. The complication is that dang ole CF seems to do both well. I don't see any UFA coaches going to AU, if you're saying that about RD, I have heard that the MLS won't consider it for now. I don't know how true the criteria plays into it. Based on the criteria you have to have good playing and practice fields and we all know that CF gets a big fat F on that. With all the rain lately I heard they had to cut their practices because they have to share the turf with the Boys DA
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Post by soccerdaddy on Mar 9, 2018 13:08:31 GMT -5
Can you tell me why you think they won’t get it? I wish I knew who was getting the older age groups and I’m sure we will come to know soon. I would like to know why you don’t think so? I value your opinion and knowledge so any feedback would be great 👍 It's nothing against SSA, I just think that more than 3 DA clubs is too much. I understand the u12 having so many to minimize the travel and I was surprised that they extended it to u14 last year. UFA was problably able to get it because they practically ran GA United and had the experience. I personally don't think there should be DA before U15 but AUFC is already doing stuff for even younger kids. Its a huge commitment and young kids do not realize what they're giving up. Boys don't need ECNL as long as you have NPL you get to go to the same championship. Looks like the older age groups will stay together as nothing was added for the SouthEast except UFA getting U18/19 Boys www.ussoccer.com/stories/2018/03/09/16/38/20180309-news-development-academy-welcomes-16-new-clubs-for-2018-19-seasonSOCCERMOM is a PROFIT when it comes to Youth Soccer ;-)
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