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Post by Soccerhouse on Mar 21, 2018 11:52:35 GMT -5
Yall know I love posting this stuff --
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Post by Futsal Gawdess on Mar 21, 2018 12:56:55 GMT -5
This is a preventative insurance measure. At approximately $65k - $75k they can lock him down from being courted by other club academies all in the hopes he does develop into a world class player. I for one don't understand why parents allow this to happen. They are severely limiting him. Now compare that to one of the greatest players in history - Messi. He didn't sign till he was 18 and even then it was a basic contract. He didn't get a 'real' contract worthy of his skills and potential till he was a few months or almost a year into being on the first team. In a sport of Millions of $$$ you can sign a dozen players at the homegrown minimum of $75k and still not break a Million $$$
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Post by Soccerhouse on Mar 21, 2018 13:20:37 GMT -5
It can be a dangerous game, I think its a reason Juan pablo torres also never played for atlanta united's academy. could be wrong (again, I'm wrong alot -- continual trend...) Also take a kid like Patrick Okonkwo -- not sure if college soccer was ever a true pathway for him, but he was I'm sure excited to be announced as a home grown for Atlanta, but then gets loaned to the Battery vs ATL2. All out of his control. That's life yes, but a quick life lesson for sure. maybe he blossoms and its for the best, but their Atlanta has no say in his playing time vs ATL2, where its all about development vs wins. Battery wants to win, I doubt they care what happens with ATL2 other than player development and for injured first teamers to make their way back into form. gaprospects is much more savy than us with regards to these kinds of moves. To me, it seems like its an arms race. A few twitter folks are constantly updating minutes of young players in the MLS and I think the red bulls lead the way. Its unfair to judge Atlanta United right now.
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Post by diceshooter on Mar 21, 2018 13:34:55 GMT -5
FGawdess, I look at it slightly differently. I suspect the federation and MLS are collaborating to provide the kids an opportunity to train full time with professionals. The federation wants the kids who will play in the U17 World Cup to train full time and at the highest level possible. They probably want them playing in the USL this year if they can. The MLS obviously wants the kids under contract so that they can eventually play them or get value for them by selling them later. Being showcased in the U17 world cup increases the value of the player. For the player, who has already made a decision that they want to be a professional soccer player, the opportunity to play in the U17 World Cup is too good to pass up. Plus, if you are training full time, why not get paid to do it? For Scally, he still has 3 years before he can go play in Europe. Why not get paid to train for those 3 years?
On a personal note, back in 2016 we travelled to Argentina with Scally's dad and maternal grandparents to watch the kids play soccer. The Scally family were very nice, and 100 percent "New York." The kid, Scally, was a real go-getter on the field. You could tell then he was special.
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Post by Futsal Gawdess on Mar 21, 2018 15:12:03 GMT -5
Diceshooter, great post and very informative. I actually had not thought about the good points you brought up. You are right, if a kid and his family have chosen to go down the professional route, you might as well get paid for having to get up for full time practice. Thanks for sharing the info on his family also.
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Post by Soccerhouse on Mar 21, 2018 15:32:23 GMT -5
Imagine if the NBA operated like this -- got rid of college as the player pathway and each nba franchise invested in a youth academy system and they began signing 15/16 year olds to professional deals... Yikes. Might be the future if the play for college players keeps getting pushed and as they develop their d-league more.
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Post by 04gparent on Mar 21, 2018 15:57:29 GMT -5
Imagine if the NBA operated like this -- got rid of college as the player pathway and each nba franchise invested in a youth academy system and they began signing 15/16 year olds to professional deals... Yikes. Might be the future if the play for college players keeps getting pushed and as they develop their d-league more. Lots of different perspectives here, but the NCAA system is really NOT a good example of what is good and pure about the world... However Messi moved to Barca at 13 and his parents started receiving money then... Overally I like the moves. Each family is different and their needs are different. The clubs are making calculated investment decisions. Not all of them are going to work out... www.theguardian.com/football/blog/2014/oct/15/lionel-messi-barcelona-decade
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Post by gaprospects on Mar 21, 2018 18:20:00 GMT -5
I highly doubt MLS and USSF are collaborating on signing younger players, since some of the players that are getting signed this young are either not eligible to play for the US (Jesus Ferriera - Dallas) or actively choosing not to (Efrain Alvarez - Galaxy).
Personally, I think this trend is a byproduct of USSF killing off the Bradenton residency program. In the past, it was difficult for an MLS club to commit to signing a player who was never in academy training. Now that all the kids who would otherwise be in Bradenton are with their respective clubs every day, the clubs are getting a chance to accelerate the development of these kids by signing them to pro deals.
Obviously, part of it is the protection from losing them for free (ATL weren't the only MLS club to lose a kid to Germany since the U17 World Cup)
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Post by oraclesfriend on Mar 21, 2018 18:34:03 GMT -5
I highly doubt MLS and USSF are collaborating on signing younger players, since some of the players that are getting signed this young are either not eligible to play for the US (Jesus Ferriera - Dallas) or actively choosing not to (Efrain Alvarez - Galaxy). Personally, I think this trend is a byproduct of USSF killing off the Bradenton residency program. In the past, it was difficult for an MLS club to commit to signing a player who was never in academy training. Now that all the kids who would otherwise be in Bradenton are with their respective clubs every day, the clubs are getting a chance to accelerate the development of these kids by signing them to pro deals. Obviously, part of it is the protection from losing them for free (ATL weren't the only MLS club to lose a kid to Germany since the U17 World Cup) Excellent point. Maybe the MLS clubs are finally getting wise enough to see that these young kids are signed to European clubs as youths and while some will fizzle out, others thrive and improve with the increased level of training and vote of confidence.
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