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Post by soccerfan30 on Mar 23, 2018 16:49:42 GMT -5
They play each other tomorrow at the AU training facility, since the sub region event was cancelled in January this will be the 2002 ODP team's first meaningful action this cycle, should be an interesting matchup tomorrow.
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Post by Soccerhouse on Mar 23, 2018 17:41:28 GMT -5
vs 03 Atlanta United team?
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Post by newposter on Mar 24, 2018 6:17:58 GMT -5
playing AU 02s
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Post by Soccerhouse on Mar 24, 2018 7:02:11 GMT -5
I haven’t heard much on how that atl 2002 team has been playing. I know handful are playing full time with 17s. It would be cool to hear an honest assessment how the players felt about the league and their current season. Love to see if how they progressed, assume after playing with grown men that they will be physical.
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Post by newposter on Mar 24, 2018 19:44:00 GMT -5
AU won 3-1. 1-1 at half. Good game. ODP showed well considering they have limited practice together.
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Post by soccerfan30 on Mar 24, 2018 19:49:50 GMT -5
I wasn't at the game as I was coaching at NTH today, but did a report from the ODP head coach that the ODP Boys played very well the first half and for big stretches outplayed AU. The depth of the first 12 or 13 for the ODP Team did well but after a large number of subs at halftime the depth of AU was better.
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Post by newposter on Mar 24, 2018 19:59:08 GMT -5
Good analysis. Top 13 outplayed AU for long stretches.
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Post by soccerparent02 on Mar 25, 2018 9:19:16 GMT -5
Glad the ODP kids showed well. I've seen on this forum where the program has been criticized. The 02s must have a good starting group. Good. luck to both teams.
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Post by Soccerhouse on Mar 25, 2018 9:32:47 GMT -5
I guess that is the million dollar question -- anyone on the 02 ODP deserve consideration for USYNT player pool for their age group? If I'm not mistaken since Atl United announced youth rosters, only one non-Atlanta United kid has been invited to a youth national team camp of any age. 1 kid in 18 months.......
Player pool should be inclusive vs exclusive.
And I'm sure there are handful of other 02's that chose not to play ODP that are ballers as well. Just a guess, throw them out their with the 02 ODP team and you have more depth.
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Post by soccerparent02 on Mar 25, 2018 10:17:22 GMT -5
I'm surprised that only one player outside AU players have attended. This may be keeping quality players out.
As the other poster stated, the ODP team practices together once a month where the AU team practices daily and plays games together. This shows the potential and skills of the ODP boys.
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Post by Futsal Gawdess on Mar 25, 2018 12:14:43 GMT -5
I guess that is the million dollar question -- anyone on the 02 ODP deserve consideration for USYNT player pool for their age group? If I'm not mistaken since Atl United announced youth rosters, only one non-Atlanta United kid has been invited to a youth national team camp of any age. 1 kid in 18 months....... Player pool should be inclusive vs exclusive. And I'm sure there are handful of other 02's that chose not to play ODP that are ballers as well. Just a guess, throw them out their with the 02 ODP team and you have more depth. That brings to front a topic we as parents discuss amongst ourselves sometimes. The one prevailing question I ask every parent I meet who has a son at AU is - Other than the bragging rights, the lack of costs, etc. what is the one advantage to you bringing your son to AU vs CF or UFA? Unequivocally, almost all say Exposure. The fact that on their soccer resume, it looks good to have played for an MLS academy, the belief that only the best make it to AU, the scouts tend to defer to AU on their selections, the facilities for games, ODP, Scouting, NTC are at AU. So I personally cannot blame a parent of a decent player sending their son to AU to give them the best chances of realizing their soccer dreams. However, this does not negate the fact that there are a myriad of boys across the local landscape that could be as good or better than some of the boys at AU.
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Post by soccerparent02 on Mar 25, 2018 13:51:34 GMT -5
Again many good points. I agree, player for player starting 11 ODP as good in some cases better than AU at this age. Many kids on that team not affiliated with CF or UFA...not putting those clubs down just stating a fact. Hopefully they will get out of soccer what they want.
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Post by nani17 on Mar 25, 2018 13:53:51 GMT -5
Don’t forget AU players did win the scrimmage.
I didn’t see the game. But I know most of the AU team came up through GA ODP (or other states). How many on this team are out injured? Playing in TX with GA Cup?
AND Motivation. I would guess the AU players didn’t have a ton of it.
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Post by soccerparent02 on Mar 25, 2018 14:13:29 GMT -5
I don't know too many kids who step out on the pitch and not play hard. Coaches don't let that happen. Parent that went said ODP team first half controlled the game. Also said AU played u17s. Give credit to both teams for playing hard. Definitely give credit to AU for winning. Just giving credit to the other team who on their play as I see that program being put down regularly on this forum. Again remember the Georgia team practices once maybe twice per month playing a team who practices 4 or 5 times per week.
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Post by soccerfan30 on Mar 25, 2018 14:48:08 GMT -5
I've been coaching with the 02 Boys ODP Team for a number of years, a few years ago I believe we had the most or second most number of kids selected to the region pool in that age group. The following year we lost probably a third of our team to AU and orher DA programs, both of my former ODP GK's now both play for Atlanta United. There are several current ODP players on the team that were offered DA spots but declined for various reasons.
There are 7 or 8 current Atlanta United U16 Boys that started on the 2002 Boys ODP Team. Since the ODP Boys teams practice at the AU training facility, the AU academy coaches will come out and scout practices sometimes.
The 2002 ODP Team was/is a very solid group on the Boys side, I would wager they lost more kids to AU and other DA programs than any other age group the last couple years, that should attest to the quality of the players. To essentially have a third of our former pool playing DA now and eight for Atlanta United, the ability for the ODP starting 11 to out play AU for most of the first half with limited practices and not playing together full time is a testament to the quality of those players.
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Post by nani17 on Mar 25, 2018 15:04:10 GMT -5
No disrespect intended for the odp team. I made the comment earlier, the 02 AU team is mostly former odp players.
The game report I saw was mostly from the odp coach that was taken second hand.
Finally, motivation as a factor. I grant you.any given player in a 1v1 situation a player isn’t going to lay down for lack of motivation. But, it’s so much more than that. Club motivation. Coach motivation. How badly do those want to show well? That trickeles down to players. Players can and do play down (and up ) to competition all the time. You can’t tell me a player on this odp isn’t trying to impress more with this scrimmage. A 50 50 ball who is going to go harder for it? AU player isn’t going to risk injury. Odp player is playing for his shot to making the team. It fllows from tackling. Headers. Chasing down long balls. Shirt pulling trying to get an advantage. Tracking back on defense. The club/coach may be trying different formations. Playing styles. Guest players. The list goes on and on.
Again not seeing the match, I have no idea how it went. I was surprised to read x number of players showed better than x number of players when a casual observer doesn’t know the whole picture.
I will say as shown last week, metro Atlanta has great player depth and their are many talented players out there.
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Post by newposter on Mar 25, 2018 15:44:53 GMT -5
No disrespect intended for the odp team. I made the comment earlier, the 02 AU team is mostly former odp players. The game report I saw was mostly from the odp coach that was taken second hand. Finally, motivation as a factor. I grant you.any given player in a 1v1 situation a player isn’t going to lay down for lack of motivation. But, it’s so much more than that. Club motivation. Coach motivation. How badly do those want to show well? That trickeles down to players. Players can and do play down (and up ) to competition all the time. You can’t tell me a player on this odp isn’t trying to impress more with this scrimmage. A 50 50 ball who is going to go harder for it? AU player isn’t going to risk injury. Odp player is playing for his shot to making the team. It fllows from tackling. Headers. Chasing down long balls. Shirt pulling trying to get an advantage. Tracking back on defense. The club/coach may be trying different formations. Playing styles. Guest players. The list goes on and on. Again not seeing the match, I have no idea how it went. I was surprised to read x number of players showed better than x number of players when a casual observer doesn’t know the whole picture. I will say as shown last week, metro Atlanta has great player depth and their are many talented players out there.
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Post by newposter on Mar 25, 2018 15:46:11 GMT -5
Nani- looks like above poster has direct knowledge of the game. Glad they had a competitive game.
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Post by soccerdaddy on Mar 25, 2018 17:32:55 GMT -5
No disrespect intended for the odp team. I made the comment earlier, the 02 AU team is mostly former odp players. The game report I saw was mostly from the odp coach that was taken second hand. Finally, motivation as a factor. I grant you.any given player in a 1v1 situation a player isn’t going to lay down for lack of motivation. But, it’s so much more than that. Club motivation. Coach motivation. How badly do those want to show well? That trickeles down to players. Players can and do play down (and up ) to competition all the time. You can’t tell me a player on this odp isn’t trying to impress more with this scrimmage. A 50 50 ball who is going to go harder for it? AU player isn’t going to risk injury. Odp player is playing for his shot to making the team. It fllows from tackling. Headers. Chasing down long balls. Shirt pulling trying to get an advantage. Tracking back on defense. The club/coach may be trying different formations. Playing styles. Guest players. The list goes on and on. Again not seeing the match, I have no idea how it went. I was surprised to read x number of players showed better than x number of players when a casual observer doesn’t know the whole picture. I will say as shown last week, metro Atlanta has great player depth and their are many talented players out there. Too bad only Concorde, UFA and AU has that age group for DA. I wonder how many non DA players there were?
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Post by newposter on Mar 25, 2018 17:35:45 GMT -5
All ODP are non DA players. DA would never allow them to play ODP.
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Post by soccerdaddy on Mar 25, 2018 18:11:55 GMT -5
That’s right I forgot. For some reason I thought it was the younger age groups. Great, I would of like to see the game 👍😃
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Post by soccerdaddy on Mar 25, 2018 18:16:15 GMT -5
Just a wishful thought, I think someone mentioned about a end of year tournament for GA DA & ODP teams would be awesome. I would love to see that 😃👍💪
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Post by Futsal Gawdess on Mar 25, 2018 18:26:32 GMT -5
Too bad only Concorde, UFA and AU has that age group for DA. I wonder how many non DA players there were? The dynamics of soccer in Atlanta on the boys side will change dramatically come tryout season. Specifically at the current U14 age group. We currently have 7 U14 boys teams on the DA side and 4 on the ECNL side. Presuming an average of 17 boys per team that'a approx. 120 DA boys and 70 on ECNL. At the U15 age group 4 of those DA teams go away. So I wonder what happens to the current DA boys from SSA/NASA/LSA/AFC? Do they fight for spots on the AU/UFA/CF teams? Are the three current U14 teams happy with their team and not taking any newcomers? What about the ECNL boys, should they be worried that "better" players are now going to be gunning for their spots? Especially since many of the remaining U15 teams are NOT doing open tryouts. I've already seen boys from current ECNL and DA U14 clubs trying out during practices with the three that will retain U15 DA teams. This of course has a ripple effect. Players at the clubs retaining U15 DA teams are also now nervous about keeping their spots. Looks like spring cleaning has the potential of being a bloodbath this year. Even though I believe in culling the herd to ensure higher level competition, as a parent, a mom, an aunt, that still make me sad for many of the boys going to be affected by this.
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Post by newposter on Mar 25, 2018 18:35:23 GMT -5
Too bad only Concorde, UFA and AU has that age group for DA. I wonder how many non DA players there were? The dynamics of soccer in Atlanta on the boys side will change dramatically come tryout season. Specifically at the current U14 age group. We currently have 7 U14 boys teams on the DA side and 4 on the ECNL side. Presuming an average of 17 boys per team that'a approx. 120 DA boys and 70 on ECNL. At the U15 age group 4 of those DA teams go away. So I wonder what happens to the current DA boys from SSA/NASA/LSA/AFC? Do they fight for spots on the AU/UFA/CF teams? Are the three current U14 teams happy with their team and not taking any newcomers? What about the ECNL boys, should they be worried that "better" players are now going to be gunning for their spots? Especially since many of the remaining U15 teams are NOT doing open tryouts. I've already seen boys from current ECNL and DA U14 clubs trying out during practices with the three that will retain U15 DA teams. This of course has a ripple effect. Players at the clubs retaining U15 DA teams are also now nervous about keeping their spots. Looks like spring cleaning has the potential of being a bloodbath this year. Even though I believe in culling the herd to ensure higher level competition, as a parent, a mom, an aunt, that still make me sad for many of the boys going to be affected by this. I would love to see that also. Doubt DA would allow that.
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Post by xyz on Mar 26, 2018 9:53:57 GMT -5
I haven’t heard much on how that atl 2002 team has been playing. I know handful are playing full time with 17s. It would be cool to hear an honest assessment how the players felt about the league and their current season. Love to see if how they progressed, assume after playing with grown men that they will be physical. I imagine people will feel more free to share their thoughts once the official decisions for next year have been announced. I am afraid they will not be overly positive.
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