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Post by soccermonster on Mar 26, 2018 18:21:32 GMT -5
CF posted their weekend stats for the girls DA games on their Facebook page today (see scores below) which lead me to compare the scores for TH and UFA. Why is there such a gap in scores between the 3 clubs when the talent lives within miles of each other? We all know (for the girls DA program) that TH is considered #1, CF is #2, and UFA is #3 (in GA only) but why is that the case? I'm seriously trying to understand the logic. We struggled with the decision this past year to move from ECNL to DA and frankly I still don't know what is being gained other than your soccer resume having "DA" listed. Just looking for thoughts from others that were/are in my shoes and anyone who could provide some guidance.
Saturday U14 won 6-0 U15 won 5-2 U16/17 won 3-1 U18/19 won 9-0
Sunday
U14 wond 5-1 U15 won 3-2 U16/17 won 2-1 U18/19 won 7-0
Looking at these scores - is CF that good or are the DA teams in this region not that great? What do they gain by playing less competitive teams? The soccer struggle is real.
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Post by soccerdaddy on Mar 26, 2018 20:40:37 GMT -5
This is Advertising for the club. “Look at us we can win 😃” Says nothing about development but says they can win. Can they prove that those same girls developed in their Academy or did most players come from other clubs. Don’t know but I doubt the older age groups came up in the Academy from the same club. My 2 cents 😜
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Post by soccerdaddy on Mar 26, 2018 20:50:53 GMT -5
This is Advertising for the club. “Look at us we can win 😃” Says nothing about development but says they can win. Can they prove that those same girls developed in their Academy or did most players come from other clubs. Don’t know but I doubt the older age groups came up in the Academy from the same club. My 2 cents 😜 in other words, if you want to win, then come to Concorde. They are producing player on a high level as they play in as much top level events as possible. However, for girls Top Hat and now UFA will also produce the same. Great clubs in GA! If your daughter plays for any of their top teams than kudos to them! It takes a lot of hard work to get there!
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Post by infoguy on Mar 27, 2018 6:18:04 GMT -5
We've definitely covered this topic. Just more evidence that DA also dilutes the talent pool in terms of player distribution.
In terms of development, I do think my kids are benefiting more so by practicing more during the week. Their game is definitely improving. It's called high school soccer.
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Post by 04gparent on Mar 27, 2018 7:50:45 GMT -5
CF posted their weekend stats for the girls DA games on their Facebook page today (see scores below) which lead me to compare the scores for TH and UFA. Why is there such a gap in scores between the 3 clubs when the talent lives within miles of each other? We all know (for the girls DA program) that TH is considered #1, CF is #2, and UFA is #3 (in GA only) but why is that the case? I'm seriously trying to understand the logic. We struggled with the decision this past year to move from ECNL to DA and frankly I still don't know what is being gained other than your soccer resume having "DA" listed. Just looking for thoughts from others that were/are in my shoes and anyone who could provide some guidance.
SaturdayU14 won 6-0 U15 won 5-2 U16/17 won 3-1 U18/19 won 9-0 Sunday
U14 wond 5-1 U15 won 3-2 U16/17 won 2-1 U18/19 won 7-0 Looking at these scores - is CF that good or are the DA teams in this region not that great? What do they gain by playing less competitive teams? The soccer struggle is real. From my perspective if you are looking to evaluate the strength of the clubs you can not just look at one weekend of results to determine this. This is the first year of DA and there are some week teams at some clubs. Speaking in general terms the GA teams are really strong in almost all the age groups. You can find standings for all age groups excep U14 on the DA website. Lastly, the thought / fantasy that a group of 10 - 15 girls will start at a club from u7 and develop into a top 10 team at u14 - u18 with no changes of personnel is false... Just my opinion...
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Post by Futsal Gawdess on Mar 27, 2018 12:16:51 GMT -5
There are two tracks in play. The GDA and the ECNL. In my opinion, you can't get a true read of girls on the U15 and older age groups, because, up until this year, they were being scouted within the ECNL ranks. I know it was a difficult choice for some friends kids having to choose to stay with ECNL or move over to GDA. I say it was half/half for those we know. Most are now on the verge of being offered college scholarships and enjoy going to the big showcases put on by ECNL. However, if your daughter is U14 and under, I would put her into GDA if she's able to make a team. All indications are that is where many more coaches/colleges will turn their attention to over the next few years to look for rising talent. The question is do you try to get on to a GDA team now or wait a year or two? Many clubs are also now trying to do some home cooking and close their teams from open tryouts and have invite only tryouts. I can't answer that question, especially since for some teams I personally believe that the pay for play model is alive and well. Some girls on one of the GDA team/club were picked more for their ability to pay the fees and travel costs as opposed to primarily their ability to play or be one of the better players.
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Post by soccermonster on Mar 27, 2018 14:34:55 GMT -5
There are two tracks in play. The GDA and the ECNL. In my opinion, you can't get a true read of girls on the U15 and older age groups, because, up until this year, they were being scouted within the ECNL ranks. I know it was a difficult choice for some friends kids having to choose to stay with ECNL or move over to GDA. I say it was half/half for those we know. Most are now on the verge of being offered college scholarships and enjoy going to the big showcases put on by ECNL. However, if your daughter is U14 and under, I would put her into GDA if she's able to make a team. All indications are that is where many more coaches/colleges will turn their attention to over the next few years to look for rising talent. The question is do you try to get on to a GDA team now or wait a year or two? Many clubs are also now trying to do some home cooking and close their teams from open tryouts and have invite only tryouts. I can't answer that question, especially since for some teams I personally believe that the pay for play model is alive and well. Some girls on one of the GDA team/club were picked more for their ability to pay the fees and travel costs as opposed to primarily their ability to play or be one of the better players. Futsal Gawdess, thanks for your reply and feedback. That definitely helps as I was starting to doubt whether or not it was worth playing at the DA level. Our daughter was offered a spot this past year but turned it down because we were unsure it was the right move for her at the time. Now the question is going to be, will we stay at our club or do we move clubs altogether because we still don't know the key differences between UFA/CF/and TH and whether or not one club is superior to the other. Lastly, your response to the pay to play model gave me a chuckle as we all see what is happening and it only hurts the player. Thankfully for us, our daughter has paved her own way through her determination and hard work.
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Post by Futsal Gawdess on Mar 27, 2018 16:08:10 GMT -5
Sure thing, we as parents always question if we or our kids are doing the right thing. My suggestion is I would keep her at her club if it offers all the different options(DA/ECNL/SRPL/RPL/etc.). I would also consider location(Atlanta traffic), cost and ability to get answers when or if an issue arises. Finally and maybe most importantly, I would look to make sure the club you choose has good coaching, a solid coaching philosophy and comfortability of the coaches with your child that makes your child happy and eager to push her. You want a mix of youth and experience to help with shaping your child's development. After-all, isn't that what this is all about.
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Post by SoccerMom on Mar 27, 2018 17:33:24 GMT -5
CF posted their weekend stats for the girls DA games on their Facebook page today (see scores below) which lead me to compare the scores for TH and UFA. Why is there such a gap in scores between the 3 clubs when the talent lives within miles of each other? We all know (for the girls DA program) that TH is considered #1, CF is #2, and UFA is #3 (in GA only) but why is that the case? I'm seriously trying to understand the logic. We struggled with the decision this past year to move from ECNL to DA and frankly I still don't know what is being gained other than your soccer resume having "DA" listed. Just looking for thoughts from others that were/are in my shoes and anyone who could provide some guidance.
SaturdayU14 won 6-0 U15 won 5-2 U16/17 won 3-1 U18/19 won 9-0 Sunday
U14 wond 5-1 U15 won 3-2 U16/17 won 2-1 U18/19 won 7-0 Looking at these scores - is CF that good or are the DA teams in this region not that great? What do they gain by playing less competitive teams? The soccer struggle is real. Scores for each weekend vary and to make a statement such as "is CF that good?" is a little funny to me based on only 1 weekend. NTH team is by far the best of the 3 teams but as someone else stated, not all of those players were developed there. DA is about development and not winning, so when you want to make a decision of where to go, research who is going to coach your kid. To answer your question about why such a gap in scores of clubs within miles of each other is very simple.....UFA didn't have ECNL like CF and NTH did, so around U14 or so, players left. It's not a secret that UFA always bled players after they reached a certain age because it was a different playing field. When UFA got GDA, some players from other clubs came back, this year some are already reaching out to come back in the fall. It will take some time for the 3 teams to be more even.
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Post by SoccerMom on Mar 27, 2018 17:36:53 GMT -5
We've definitely covered this topic. Just more evidence that DA also dilutes the talent pool in terms of player distribution. In terms of development, I do think my kids are benefiting more so by practicing more during the week. Their game is definitely improving. It's called high school soccer. Are you saying that your kid got better with HS Soccer?? My kid learned nothing playing HS soccer last year, all they did was run to death, the coach benefited from their club training and he just sat there and watched them during the games. HS soccer is "fun" that's all.
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Post by soccerdaddy on Mar 27, 2018 19:55:27 GMT -5
I can agree with Soccer Mom! Also, it goes for the boys as well! It was fun for them even though they didn’t win that much.
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Post by infoguy on Mar 28, 2018 12:04:30 GMT -5
We've definitely covered this topic. Just more evidence that DA also dilutes the talent pool in terms of player distribution. In terms of development, I do think my kids are benefiting more so by practicing more during the week. Their game is definitely improving. It's called high school soccer. Are you saying that your kid got better with HS Soccer?? My kid learned nothing playing HS soccer last year, all they did was run to death, the coach benefited from their club training and he just sat there and watched them during the games. HS soccer is "fun" that's all. So yes, he has. My son's high school coach has helped him play out of his comfort zone, so I think he's improved in certain aspects. That said, my son's high school coach is also a DA coach of a younger aged team. So, I guess it depends on your high school's coach. If the main component of development in DA is practicing 3 or 4 times per week, then I'd say high school has matched that (assuming one has a good coach).
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Post by SoccerMom on Mar 28, 2018 12:13:46 GMT -5
Are you saying that your kid got better with HS Soccer?? My kid learned nothing playing HS soccer last year, all they did was run to death, the coach benefited from their club training and he just sat there and watched them during the games. HS soccer is "fun" that's all. So yes, he has. My son's high school coach has helped him play out of his comfort zone, so I think he's improved in certain aspects. That said, my son's high school coach is also a DA coach of a younger aged team. So, I guess it depends on your high school's coach. If the main component of development in DA is practicing 3 or 4 times per week, then I'd say high school has matched that (assuming one has a good coach). Yea my daughter's HS soccer coach i can honestly say doesn't really coach? Just got lucky geographically where school was and always had a talented group of players. The whole team played at UFA or TH and this year the whole team went to play DA and they had to start from scratch. He announced his retirement
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