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Post by soccermaxx72 on Apr 2, 2018 13:33:11 GMT -5
I'm not one to complain about the referees, but has anyone else seen referees having even more difficulty with calling offsides? I've recently watched refs from Athena A and now this spring RPL season and surprised to see the refs still struggle with this.
The main problem I've seen is is with a team that has a fast wing that properly anticipates a pass and beats their defender but the ref calls them offside despite them being onside at the time of the pass. For some reason, I believed there would be a higher quality of ref as you advance to different levels of competition but I haven't seen that.
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Post by spectator on Apr 2, 2018 13:52:59 GMT -5
There is a severe referee shortage not just in GA but across the country. You're probably seeing inexperience more than lack of quality - problem is parents and coaches aren't patient enough to let the young referees get their experience and most will quit in their first year anyway.
Offside is a tricky thing to call - there's some new 'intent' rule in there that I don't understand either so I'm sure it's confusing.
I've only seen one really blatant offside missed call - that was in High school this year when every player on the field knew the striker was off - including the striker and they all looked to the AR to call it - when he didn't, the striker took advantage and shot.
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Post by Soccerhouse on Apr 2, 2018 13:57:19 GMT -5
Well -- I was talking about this with someone, they should be more lenient with refs for the younger age groups u8 to u11s and not require annual ref re-certification. Then at u12+, require annual re-certification.
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Post by cantgetright on Apr 2, 2018 14:05:36 GMT -5
It is not worth it. My oldest son quit reffing and got a job. Problem is that it costs what about a hundo to re-certify and then they change ref uniforms and they spend another hundo. Then on top of that they go to work and get berated. Just not worth it. They should pay him to get certified.
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Post by spectator on Apr 2, 2018 18:24:08 GMT -5
Well -- I was talking about this with someone, they should be more lenient with refs for the younger age groups u8 to u11s and not require annual ref re-certification. Then at u12+, require annual re-certification. Good points. Gag the parents and it will work. FYI my kid quit after being berated and sworn at by U11 Top Hat dads! Real classy folks there -not!
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Post by fanatic21 on Apr 2, 2018 19:59:22 GMT -5
Yes, refs do miss offside calls sometimes, but I would argue that parents and coaches miss them much more often than refs do. Amazes me how often parents and coaches scream about an offside call/non call when they are not even with the 2nd to last defender (sometimes even on the opposite side of the field).
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Post by alacrity174 on Apr 3, 2018 7:26:04 GMT -5
I'm not one to complain about the referees, but has anyone else seen referees having even more difficulty with calling offsides? I've recently watched refs from Athena A and now this spring RPL season and surprised to see the refs still struggle with this. The main problem I've seen is is with a team that has a fast wing that properly anticipates a pass and beats their defender but the ref calls them offside despite them being onside at the time of the pass. For some reason, I believed there would be a higher quality of ref as you advance to different levels of competition but I haven't seen that. This is my pet peeve, how are you certain that the player is on/off side? The only way to be certain is if you are running the line with the AR, if you're not then you really are in no position to question the call. There is also the revised interpretation where refs are told to hold their call until a player becomes "Active" in the play and then the call is made at the spot the player became active. You are welcome to attend a Ref Certification course and come out on Sat and Sun and see how this pans out with the folding chair crowd
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Post by soccerlegacy on Apr 3, 2018 8:13:08 GMT -5
Well -- I was talking about this with someone, they should be more lenient with refs for the younger age groups u8 to u11s and not require annual ref re-certification. Then at u12+, require annual re-certification. Good points. Gag the parents and it will work. FYI my kid quit after being berated and sworn at by U11 Top Hat dads! Real classy folks there -not! As a parent... were you there? The reason I'm asking is that my daughter refs and I have hung around to watch her and pick her up after games. Thankfully she hasn't had anyone "go off" or berate her, but it would be hard to sit back and watch something like that happen to your kid. Have you (or anyone on here) had an experience as a parent of a ref and confronted parents of a game your kid was doing? Again, it hasn't happened to me, but I can easily see it happening at some point with the way some people behave at games. My guess is there has to have been some interesting stories/experiences on this.
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Post by Futsal Gawdess on Apr 3, 2018 9:01:46 GMT -5
I'm not one to complain about the referees, but has anyone else seen referees having even more difficulty with calling offsides? I've recently watched refs from Athena A and now this spring RPL season and surprised to see the refs still struggle with this. The main problem I've seen is is with a team that has a fast wing that properly anticipates a pass and beats their defender but the ref calls them offside despite them being onside at the time of the pass. For some reason, I believed there would be a higher quality of ref as you advance to different levels of competition but I haven't seen that. I believe there are a few issues or culprits at play here when it comes to youth refs. The parents, the governing body or GA Soccer and the clubs/locations. I think till the kids get up to the U13 - U14 age group the refereeing courses and certifications should be free and paid as a service by Georgia Soccer. It teaches the kids responsibility and leadership skills that they can use as players and citizens. Rectification at this age should be twice(Christmas and summer breaks). It re-enforces the laws of the game and hopefully teaches them good habits. It should include field work and video sessions. Next are the clubs/locations that hire and manage the refs. There should be an adult Referee Marshal, who is paid to be at the fields, watching and using breaks(halftime) to address any issues, bad calls, etc. There should be ref meetings peppered in throughout the soccer year to also address issues the marshal sees at weekend games. This is who the parents/coaches can and at times should complain to and air their grievances. I also add in the coaches here. They should be curbing their parents and reminding them that other than the players looking for direction, they should be the only ones having discussions with the refs. Finally parents. We the parents. I understand that being a ref comes with a modicum of being yelled at for perceived calls or no calls. That is one thing, however when we berate and bully the child-refs, that is another thing all together. As a parent I've had to confront a parent who felt it was okay to give my child a piece of his mind after the game on his way to the parking lot, whilst also dropping profanity and cuss words. My child was the CR, but he was enraged because the AR flagged a handball/offside can't remember. Thankfully, my older ex. Spec For brother was on hand to help "mitigate" the situation. Referees are an integral part of the game. Let's all do better and do our parts to make the beautiful game fun and enjoyable to watch. I leave you with this example of how not-fun it can be reffing youth soccer games.
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Post by soccerballz on Apr 3, 2018 9:52:27 GMT -5
Wow, many parents(I’m guilty of this) can’t see the big picture when their kids are this age. We get so invested in our kids games even in rec at age 6 that it can bring out the worst in us. Now that my kids are much older I think back to the emotions I went through when they were 8 and ask why?
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Post by oraclesfriend on Apr 3, 2018 10:12:02 GMT -5
Offside calls are very annoying when they are obviously wrong, but there are a lot of times when it is very hard to tell. Many of those are the longer passes because it is hard to see when exactly the pass is made and with the noise often hard to hear it as well. The comment about refs and parents not being in line with the last defender is often true but unfortunately neither is the AR. I actually find that the child refs are usually in better position than the adult refs are. Many of the adult refs are a bit out of shape or sometimes have knee problems etc that slow them down.
As for parents being nasty about calls etc, I try to do what I tell my child to do. Move on. Get over it. I am actually getting better about this with time and experience. I have realized that the wins and losses don't matter as much as my child's development, soccer lessons learned and life lessons learned. My older one dreams of D1 soccer, but she is young enough to have plenty of time left. Oh, the wins do actually matter now with promotion/relegation, but in the grand scheme I care more about how SHE played. Did she work hard. Did she do her best. Is she getting better and using her skills to defeat the opponent throughout the game. This is even MORE true with my younger one. I am a super competitive person and if that was me playing instead of my kids I would want that win! But they need to learn that life isn't always fair. Sometimes the calls don't go your way in soccer and in life.
Parents, get over it and move on to more important things. That is what I remind myself every time I get mad at a ref.
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Post by SoccerMom on Apr 3, 2018 11:20:10 GMT -5
Its not just parents, its also coaches. Some coaches are nasty and when asked by refs to control their parents they don't because they can't control themselves. At UFA tournament at end of fall, one of the Smyrna coaches got nasty with the refs and cursed at them, he made one of the refs cry. When he was called out by the tournament people, he got nasty with them and got in their face again. i believe there was some threats coming from this coach. The matter was taken to Georgia soccer to deal with, but I am pretty sure they did nothing about it, I saw that coach at a tournament a couple of weeks ago. Two of the refs involved are not refing this year.
UFA has implemented some rules for the coaches that don't want to help with belligerent parents, I have heard from someone that they may have to pay a fine
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Post by soccerdaddy on Apr 3, 2018 11:38:15 GMT -5
I am seeing Parents/Coaches at all clubs argue the offsides call no matter if it was correct or not. I've seen games on all levels of youth soccer that have this problem. Why, many reasons and some are just plain out lies from Coaches and parents. It is the same old Parent/Coach repertoire at the beginning of game it is always calm and cool until a team starts winning or has the momentum going. Parents start (Even me, SORRY! I respect referees!) to ooh and ahh and "hey"!!!!! when an offside is close or especially a physical play happens as if the referee doesn't see it. Nobody from the sideline has the view of the referees, even coaches that are often times the culprit in getting the parents started. Makes an ugly game when coaches start yelling at the ref for an offsides. That's when parents think it's OK to join in on the heckling. Shame on us Parents and Coaches for not understanding what referees go through on a game to game basis. What a sacrifice they make every weekend. They need a raise or get paid double. I would not want to do the job they have with all of the negative feedback they receive each game.
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Post by spectator on Apr 3, 2018 17:06:56 GMT -5
Good points. Gag the parents and it will work. FYI my kid quit after being berated and sworn at by U11 Top Hat dads! Real classy folks there -not! As a parent... were you there? The reason I'm asking is that my daughter refs and I have hung around to watch her and pick her up after games. Thankfully she hasn't had anyone "go off" or berate her, but it would be hard to sit back and watch something like that happen to your kid. Have you (or anyone on here) had an experience as a parent of a ref and confronted parents of a game your kid was doing? Again, it hasn't happened to me, but I can easily see it happening at some point with the way some people behave at games. My guess is there has to have been some interesting stories/experiences on this. Yes I was and I let her and the center ref handle it. It really is an entirely different perspective when you have no dog in the hunt and honestly I am a better sideline parent after watching the idiocy from my chair at the far end of the field not giving a flying flip who wins the game The only time I intervened was when those same Top Hat dads were criticizing the other team’s players during pre game and called 10 year old girls”fat cows”. Thats when I interrupted and reminded those fine “gentlemen” those were somebody’s daughters and ten year old children. They huffed off but I had to say something- they were three arogant jerks.
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