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Post by footy on May 8, 2018 21:32:35 GMT -5
Slightly associated topic is with the U13(2005) NTC List that came out last night. Bad eyes but I think approximately 20 boys, 4 of the Big 5 represented, with I believe 1 from AFC and 2 from AFU. What surprised me was there wasn't a single AU U13(2005) player on that list. This is especially intriguing considering GameOfThrow-ins and I both watched that team and I'm telling you AU has something special with that team. Wonder what they are going to do when they find out none are on that list. Will that motivate them to really open up on the remaining teams they play now? From my experience the NTC selections are a joke, it encompasses the whole model of everyone gets a trophy. But not 1 player is bananas. My kid is older and has aged out of NTC but the last time he went, there was a bunch of non-AU players scrimmaging with all the AU kids. Maybe that's why there aren't any AU kids on the list this time?
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Post by Soccerhouse on May 8, 2018 21:34:50 GMT -5
Yea, was my question - assuming NTC would be at Atlanta united.
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Post by Futsal Gawdess on May 9, 2018 6:36:14 GMT -5
I've always wondered who would get the next 20 - CF/UFA. It is always inevitable that not all the best players are at AU. So the next 20 could be a formidable challenge. For some reason knowing what I know about both clubs, I would think folks would want to go to UFA. CF is partially in flux without a home park/field and having to drive down and pay to use Georgia Soccer Park frankly irritates me. Once UFA gets their new Burruss Park up and running and run all of DA from that location it will be a good selling point. Plus if the revenue and sponsorships allow them to offer DA for free or at a reduced rate - cover travel, then GameOfThrow-ins your slogan will be spot on - “Got a grudge? Don’t get mad, get even. For free @ UFA!”
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Post by 2316 on May 9, 2018 6:47:51 GMT -5
Futsal Gawdess - in reference to the NTC for u13(2005), what is the breakdown from the other clubs? Last time there were like 6 from Concorde, 4 from NASA and 2 from UFA, etc. With 3 slots accounted for, was curious if knew the remaining breakdown.
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Post by nani17 on May 9, 2018 6:52:56 GMT -5
CF vs UFA for the next 20 is an interesting question. While UFA has a lot a boxes to check to make them desirable, Fowler is not an easy place to get to for a large segment of Atlanta. Live below 20 or ITP? - CF is hands down easier to get to. Large portions of Cobb and Gwinnett likewise.
My theory is location is what has made CF and TH on the girls side so successful over the years.
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Post by soccerdaddy on May 9, 2018 6:54:04 GMT -5
I've always wondered who would get the next 20 - CF/UFA. It is always inevitable that not all the best players are at AU. So the next 20 could be a formidable challenge. For some reason knowing what I know about both clubs, I would think folks would want to go to UFA. CF is partially in flux without a home park/field and having to drive down and pay to use Georgia Soccer Park frankly irritates me. Once UFA gets their new Burruss Park up and running and run all of DA from that location it will be a good selling point. Plus if the revenue and sponsorships allow them to offer DA for free or at a reduced rate - cover travel, then GameOfThrow-ins your slogan will be spot on - “Got a grudge? Don’t get mad, get even. For free @ UFA!” Where is Burruss Park?
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Post by Futsal Gawdess on May 9, 2018 7:31:30 GMT -5
Futsal Gawdess - in reference to the NTC for u13(2005), what is the breakdown from the other clubs? Last time there were like 6 from Concorde, 4 from NASA and 2 from UFA, etc. With 3 slots accounted for, was curious if knew the remaining breakdown. I believe it is as follows: 06 - CF 04 - UFA 04 - NASA 03 - SSA 02 - AFU 01 - AFC 20 lads
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Post by Futsal Gawdess on May 9, 2018 7:33:42 GMT -5
I've always wondered who would get the next 20 - CF/UFA. It is always inevitable that not all the best players are at AU. So the next 20 could be a formidable challenge. For some reason knowing what I know about both clubs, I would think folks would want to go to UFA. CF is partially in flux without a home park/field and having to drive down and pay to use Georgia Soccer Park frankly irritates me. Once UFA gets their new Burruss Park up and running and run all of DA from that location it will be a good selling point. Plus if the revenue and sponsorships allow them to offer DA for free or at a reduced rate - cover travel, then GameOfThrow-ins your slogan will be spot on - “Got a grudge? Don’t get mad, get even. For free @ UFA!” Where is Burruss Park? Located in Forsyth, it's not fully constructed yet and is more primarily land being developed in conjunction with a gracious donor. I truly can't share more publicly without impacting or Jeopardizing relationships and info told to me in confidence. If you want to find out more please stop by TopGolf on Saturday at 6pm.
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Post by Futsal Gawdess on May 9, 2018 7:38:57 GMT -5
GameOfThrow-ins I so wanted to unlike your post, but I didn't want you thinking it was directed at you. I swear the $1 parking charge just irritates the f#^& out of me. Great natural fields, but they do need better facilities there like actual bathrooms instead of Port-A-Potties. FYI, I can honestly say women absolutely hate using those contraptions. Curious though, will the entry fee increase with these new improvements
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Post by Futsal Gawdess on May 9, 2018 7:44:54 GMT -5
CF vs UFA for the next 20 is an interesting question. While UFA has a lot a boxes to check to make them desirable, Fowler is not an easy place to get to for a large segment of Atlanta. Live below 20 or ITP? - CF is hands down easier to get to. Large portions of Cobb and Gwinnett likewise. My theory is location is what has made CF and TH on the girls side so successful over the years. You make a good point, but with the breakdown of the concentration of disposable income moving North up along the GA 400 corridor, the dynamics are trending differently. Add to that the potential of free/reduced DA costs, along with a world class facility that by itself is self sustaining with hosting Showcases, Tryouts, Training for top International clubs and Nations. Now Atlanta could be a destination for FIFA/Pro/College/DA/ECNL/US Soccer Showcases and training. Visitors, participants and users would not have to leave since everything would be on site(lodging, feeding, facilities).
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Post by Upper90 on May 9, 2018 8:17:32 GMT -5
Beyond the $1 parking fee-how about let's get some real plumbing?! When I first heard the name Georgia Soccer Park, I was excited to go, thought it was going to be a nice venue....it's basically Marathon Park on the Southside of town. 🙄
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Post by Soccerhouse on May 9, 2018 8:38:42 GMT -5
CF vs UFA for the next 20 is an interesting question. While UFA has a lot a boxes to check to make them desirable, Fowler is not an easy place to get to for a large segment of Atlanta. Live below 20 or ITP? - CF is hands down easier to get to. Large portions of Cobb and Gwinnett likewise. My theory is location is what has made CF and TH on the girls side so successful over the years. You make a good point, but with the breakdown of the concentration of disposable income moving North up along the GA 400 corridor, the dynamics are trending differently. Add to that the potential of free/reduced DA costs, along with a world class facility that by itself is self sustaining with hosting Showcases, Tryouts, Training for top International clubs and Nations. Now Atlanta could be a destination for FIFA/Pro/College/DA/ECNL/US Soccer Showcases and training. Visitors, participants and users would not have to leave since everything would be on site(lodging, feeding, facilities). I want to hear more about this point -- "Add to that the potential of free/reduced DA costs....." - I'm assuming this would be years away, if not even a decade? I would think the opposite would happen at first fees would need to increase to help pay for the facility.
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Post by gaprospects on May 9, 2018 9:22:34 GMT -5
If we want to talk about whether CF or UFA will be able to get the "next 20" who aren't at AU, we should note that of the in-state kids that are joining AU at older ages, more of them are coming from clubs like KSA, GSA and Inter Atlanta than from either CF or UFA. So, the so-called "next 20" seems to not be at either club.
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Post by Soccerhouse on May 9, 2018 9:26:49 GMT -5
If we want to talk about whether CF or UFA will be able to get the "next 20" who aren't at AU, we should note that of the in-state kids that are joining AU at older ages, more of them are coming from clubs like KSA, GSA and Inter Atlanta than from either CF or UFA. So, the so-called "next 20" seems to not be at either club. Ding --- discussing this very issue last night, seems most kids they bring in for evaluations are not current DA players. I'm not sure I'm truly buying the partnership between ufa and AU. UFA has a few ballers that haven't gotten a sniff with AU since being cut 2 years ago from the initial tryouts.
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Post by diceshooter on May 9, 2018 9:32:59 GMT -5
CF vs UFA for the next 20 is an interesting question. While UFA has a lot a boxes to check to make them desirable, Fowler is not an easy place to get to for a large segment of Atlanta. Live below 20 or ITP? - CF is hands down easier to get to. Large portions of Cobb and Gwinnett likewise. My theory is location is what has made CF and TH on the girls side so successful over the years. You make a good point, but with the breakdown of the concentration of disposable income moving North up along the GA 400 corridor, the dynamics are trending differently. Add to that the potential of free/reduced DA costs, along with a world class facility that by itself is self sustaining with hosting Showcases, Tryouts, Training for top International clubs and Nations. Now Atlanta could be a destination for FIFA/Pro/College/DA/ECNL/US Soccer Showcases and training. Visitors, participants and users would not have to leave since everything would be on site(lodging, feeding, facilities). I spoke with some UFA U17 DA parents, and they were not happy when they were UP 3-1 Sunday. The main concern I heard was the cost (rumored to be $7,000 for this season). There were also some grumblings about the coach (which is normal--every coach will have detractors), and that UFA doesn't help the boys when it comes to college recruiting. CF is seen as a much better place for college connections. I can understand the feelings about the bathroom situation, but I don't understand the complaints about $1, which was done to reduce car break-ins.
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Post by gaprospects on May 9, 2018 9:45:41 GMT -5
Seems the UFA-AU partnership has more benefits at the younger age groups. I think UFA has AU's ear when they say "look at this player, he's someone you might be interested in", but it's still AU's decision whether to pick him up or not. That's probably the extent of that partnership, which is still tremendously beneficial for the players in question.
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Post by Soccerhouse on May 9, 2018 9:59:10 GMT -5
yes, I mentioned that in another post -- if UFA & CF could grab the next 20, now we are talking.
yes, AU gets challenged from the local clubs, like this past weekend, concorde played them very well. But to get challenged on a consistent basis the city needs another fully funded program. until that happens many kids will not make the jump from their current clubs. Look at the decatur boys, GA united couldn't touch them, it wasn't until Atlanta United came were they accessible. A lot of these kids are in
Drive across town and have to pay out of pocket for many ain't going to happen now, drive across town and not pay a DIME, now we are talking.
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Post by Soccerhouse on May 9, 2018 14:58:55 GMT -5
Sucks having a $1 in a cashless society for sure....
but I'd gladly pay $1 to play on those fields. Besides the planes flying over head, best grass in the city.
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Post by Futsal Gawdess on May 9, 2018 17:54:48 GMT -5
You make a good point, but with the breakdown of the concentration of disposable income moving North up along the GA 400 corridor, the dynamics are trending differently. Add to that the potential of free/reduced DA costs, along with a world class facility that by itself is self sustaining with hosting Showcases, Tryouts, Training for top International clubs and Nations. Now Atlanta could be a destination for FIFA/Pro/College/DA/ECNL/US Soccer Showcases and training. Visitors, participants and users would not have to leave since everything would be on site(lodging, feeding, facilities). I want to hear more about this point -- "Add to that the potential of free/reduced DA costs....." - I'm assuming this would be years away, if not even a decade? I would think the opposite would happen at first fees would need to increase to help pay for the facility. The goal it to get the stand alone sponsorship of the DA program going sooner than later. Obvious goal it to get someone to completely cover things, however I think they'd secretly be fine with a partial sponsorship. As you noticed this year, though regular Academy & Select teams have DD as prime sponsor, Lloyds soccer sponsored the uniform for the DA teams. I believe Iggy 'n Co. have hired or tasked someone with this part of things.
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Post by SoccerMom on May 10, 2018 7:03:20 GMT -5
You make a good point, but with the breakdown of the concentration of disposable income moving North up along the GA 400 corridor, the dynamics are trending differently. Add to that the potential of free/reduced DA costs, along with a world class facility that by itself is self sustaining with hosting Showcases, Tryouts, Training for top International clubs and Nations. Now Atlanta could be a destination for FIFA/Pro/College/DA/ECNL/US Soccer Showcases and training. Visitors, participants and users would not have to leave since everything would be on site(lodging, feeding, facilities). I spoke with some UFA U17 DA parents, and they were not happy when they were UP 3-1 Sunday. The main concern I heard was the cost (rumored to be $7,000 for this season). There were also some grumblings about the coach (which is normal--every coach will have detractors), and that UFA doesn't help the boys when it comes to college recruiting. CF is seen as a much better place for college connections. I can understand the feelings about the bathroom situation, but I don't understand the complaints about $1, which was done to reduce car break-ins. I have friends on that boys team. The travel expenses were $4200 for the year. UFA is having its annual college ID Camp this weekend
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Post by infoguy on May 10, 2018 7:14:02 GMT -5
I spoke with some UFA U17 DA parents, and they were not happy when they were UP 3-1 Sunday. The main concern I heard was the cost (rumored to be $7,000 for this season). There were also some grumblings about the coach (which is normal--every coach will have detractors), and that UFA doesn't help the boys when it comes to college recruiting. CF is seen as a much better place for college connections. I can understand the feelings about the bathroom situation, but I don't understand the complaints about $1, which was done to reduce car break-ins. I have friends on that boys team. The travel expenses were $4200 for the year. UFA is having its annual college ID Camp this weekend Soccermom, my son has 2 friends on that team, and I went to the AU game last night with their parents... it is actually in the $7k range.
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Post by SoccerMom on May 10, 2018 7:54:13 GMT -5
I have friends on that boys team. The travel expenses were $4200 for the year. UFA is having its annual college ID Camp this weekend Soccermom, my son has 2 friends on that team, and I went to the AU game last night with their parents... it is actually in the $7k range. Well I asked my friend this morning, and thats what the club charged them for travel. This doesn't include the club fee, which was around $1800 I think? The uniforms were free. Not sure how much the other CF charged or how much their travel costs, but this included everything. Hotel, plane tickets, transportation and meals.
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Post by infoguy on May 10, 2018 8:01:49 GMT -5
Soccermom, my son has 2 friends on that team, and I went to the AU game last night with their parents... it is actually in the $7k range. Well I asked my friend this morning, and thats what the club charged them for travel. This doesn't include the club fee, which was around $1800 I think? The uniforms were free. Not sure how much the other CF charged or how much their travel costs, but this included everything. Hotel, plane tickets, transportation and meals. I see - you were only referring to travel.
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Post by SoccerMom on May 10, 2018 8:17:45 GMT -5
Well I asked my friend this morning, and thats what the club charged them for travel. This doesn't include the club fee, which was around $1800 I think? The uniforms were free. Not sure how much the other CF charged or how much their travel costs, but this included everything. Hotel, plane tickets, transportation and meals. I see - you were only referring to travel. Yes, so all together its 6k
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Post by buttercup on May 10, 2018 8:27:58 GMT -5
I have friends on that boys team. The travel expenses were $4200 for the year. UFA is having its annual college ID Camp this weekend Soccermom, my son has 2 friends on that team, and I went to the AU game last night with their parents... it is actually in the $7k range.
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Post by georgiasoccer411 on May 10, 2018 8:32:02 GMT -5
Soccermom, my son has 2 friends on that team, and I went to the AU game last night with their parents... it is actually in the $7k range.
That’s a lot of money for my kid to kick a little round ball
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Post by buttercup on May 10, 2018 8:32:33 GMT -5
I see - you were only referring to travel. Yes, so all together its 6k I cant speak for the 16/17's but I can speak for the 15's and they travel with the 16/17's. that will give you an idea. TRAVEL ONLY is 2198 for division play and 1350 for the summer showcase. That includes bus, hotel, food and 1 flight to san Diego for the showcase. Everything else has been by bus and not even a "charter" bus more of a smaller glorified multi passenger van.
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Post by Soccerhouse on May 10, 2018 8:58:06 GMT -5
Yes, so all together its 6k I cant speak for the 16/17's but I can speak for the 15's and they travel with the 16/17's. that will give you an idea. TRAVEL ONLY is 2198 for division play and 1350 for the summer showcase. That includes bus, hotel, food and 1 flight to san Diego for the showcase. Everything else has been by bus and not even a "charter" bus more of a smaller glorified multi passenger van. And I believe its worth highlighting -- these totals are just for the kid. Any parent traveling would be extra expenses. Would you send your kid with an extra $20-$40 bucks per trip? thanks for sharing!
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Post by buttercup on May 10, 2018 9:14:09 GMT -5
I cant speak for the 16/17's but I can speak for the 15's and they travel with the 16/17's. that will give you an idea. TRAVEL ONLY is 2198 for division play and 1350 for the summer showcase. That includes bus, hotel, food and 1 flight to san Diego for the showcase. Everything else has been by bus and not even a "charter" bus more of a smaller glorified multi passenger van. And I believe its worth highlighting -- these totals are just for the kid. Any parent traveling would be extra expenses. Would you send your kid with an extra $20-$40 bucks per trip? thanks for sharing! yes that 3548 is just for the kid...all parent travel cost would be their own. Parent certainly don't have to go on the trips but if they do that's all extra. Most parents probably do give a little extra to the kids it would be much closer to 20 than 40 I would say just because they really don't go anywhere but the hotel and the fields. However gas station stops or vending machines they need some cash. They are also allow to bring small coolers and things so most kids bring plenty of snacks etc. others might also be interested in the travel is broken up into monthly payments so for months we have short trips or don't travel we might pay 280 and then other months we go to Miami we might pay 320 but its all budgeted at the beginning of the year based out our schedule.
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Post by rifle on May 10, 2018 18:43:25 GMT -5
Soccermom, my son has 2 friends on that team, and I went to the AU game last night with their parents... it is actually in the $7k range. OMGD
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