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Post by atv on Apr 16, 2018 9:05:01 GMT -5
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Post by soccerdaddy on Apr 16, 2018 9:22:43 GMT -5
Bring it on :-) I would love to see this but Clubs all over will want to sabotage the way funding is done. In Iceland - "Every child pays the club's tuition with a 300 euro ($355) voucher provided by the local municipality to support after-school activities." In the US, clubs do that with a 1,000 in front of the 355 to be around $1355 or so average Academy/Select and that doesn't include traveling. Club funding has to change unless this is totally run by USSF like DA minus Club Fees. I still love the idea as it is proven to work in Iceland so at least start in the major cities in the U.S. DA is already in the major cities and needs to expand to other states where DA is not present. USSF could even do something with identifying players across all leagues US Club Soccer/US Youth Soccer & the other ones around the US.
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Post by Soccerhouse on Apr 16, 2018 9:28:27 GMT -5
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Post by soccerdaddy on Apr 16, 2018 9:54:33 GMT -5
Wow cool site, just compared against Texas and it swallows Iceland 😁. Iceland is about 7 times smaller than Texas. Let’s start in Georgia, I’m ready to pay only $355 Euros 👍
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Post by soccerdaddy on Apr 16, 2018 10:00:33 GMT -5
If we were talking about track, you might want to take how this country does things and learn. Oh and it’s smaller than Iceland Jamaica is about 9 times smaller than Iceland. Jamaica is about 62 times smaller than Texas. Love it!
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Post by rifle on Apr 16, 2018 20:12:57 GMT -5
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Post by wyona on Apr 16, 2018 22:07:44 GMT -5
MLS is probably the only soccer league in the world without promotion/relegation! Certainly the only country where you get rewarded for being s***!! Watching leagues around Europe, the promotion race and fight against relegation are more exciting than the championship race!
MLS and American sports in general have got it backwards in my opinion.
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Post by Futsal Gawdess on Apr 17, 2018 7:45:33 GMT -5
A lot of these ideas are of good sound thinking and logically make sense, and I would love for the United States to model their youth system after. However, there is one caveat that makes things very difficult in the United States. We have other sports that capture the dollars, psyche and pulse of the country/fans. Not only that, they all have proven paths to riches and fame. I may be off since I last looked at these but here are the starting salaries for rookies:
NBA - $490K+ NFL - $450k+ MLB - $500K+ NHL - $500K+
If you're a rookie or homegrown in the MLS, I believe it is $65k - $75k. It would take you almost a decade at that rate to match the rookie year salary of the other major sports. I think it will take some time to change the old guard and put in place people who have played at high levels and now have the power and know how to effect real and lasting change for long term growth and prosperity.
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Post by Soccerhouse on Apr 17, 2018 10:36:40 GMT -5
Many argue that MLS is the most competitive league. Which is probably true. But it's like saying classic 1 is more competitive top to bottom than DA. Maybe it is more competitive, but the best talent isn't in classic 1 etc. MLS is making progress. Thats why leicester city is such a freak occurrence, look at epl titles. Someone on twitter had this jpg for all years and updated with man city. Can't find it right now. Its 4 clubs, probably 4 of the riches most valuable clubs on the planet. La Liga is 2 clubs, with Atletico thrown in there. Bundesliga is 2 clubs. In the last 8 years, Serie A is Juventus. MLS is more wide open for sure. given the millions invested into current and new mls franchises, I don't see how the current model will change. Revisionist history, but new teams being added, should have been / could have been based upon success at the lower level vs creating teams out of thin air. But there are many things they can change, like mentioned above - rookie/home grown salaries, more dp signings, There is a another battle going on on twitter, travis clark with topdrawersoccer posts weekly about minutes in the MLS to domestic youth players. For some clubs its good, for others not so much. What is obligation of MLS to play domestic youth players. Is there one? I still think Almiron and Martinez have to head to Europe, I'm sure they want to know and prove they can play at that level. It would be so much fun to see Almiron with a top European side on a weekly basis. Hate to lose him, but you can't hold the kid back - I'm sure watching the champions league games made him hungry to want to play on that stage. Maybe thats the future of the league, play domestic youth players, and youth players from south america etc (u24 players ) and prove it can be a stepping stone to Europe. Add in a handful of former older international players, many mid age domestic players and then the handful of players that just want to be in America.
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Post by wyona on Apr 17, 2018 14:45:10 GMT -5
I’d say the premier league is more of a big 6 league these days....there’s many great things about the leagues having promotion relegation system....
-a real race for the championship- not just some cup competition at the end of the season where anybody can win.
-The race for the champions league
-the battle for survival
-the promotion race to the premier league
-the playoffs in the lower leagues
-the fact that a lower level team actually has the opportunity to build and invest to make it to the big time
-unknown players like Jamie Vardy getting his chance at a bigger club.
If you’re against promotion relegation in soccer you really don’t understand or appreciate the sport.
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Post by SoccerMom on Apr 19, 2018 11:21:58 GMT -5
I still think Almiron and Martinez have to head to Europe, I'm sure they want to know and prove they can play at that level. It would be so much fun to see Almiron with a top European side on a weekly basis. Hate to lose him, but you can't hold the kid back - I'm sure watching the champions league games made him hungry to want to play on that stage. Josef already played in Europe for 5 years. Im sure Migui will be going to Europe very soon
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Post by footy on Apr 19, 2018 11:29:07 GMT -5
Josef already played in Europe for 5 years. Im sure Migui will be going to Europe very soon We are so lucky to have Migui again this season!
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Post by Futsal Gawdess on Apr 19, 2018 11:34:05 GMT -5
Agreed SoccerMom, I believe he played for 5 years before coming to the 5 stripes on loan. I want to say he's scored more goals in just over 1 season with the 5 Stripes, than he did his entire career prior. Almiron on the other hand has to give Europe a try. I personally think Martinez has developed some bad habits playing up top. He doesn't track back well and at times shows some laziness in hustling for the ball. Plus, he more than anyone seems to feel the loss of Almiron, evidenced by his lack of production last season when Almiron was out. I'm hoping Barco pushes him to step up his game so the 5 stripes can have a double headed scoring monster.
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Post by oraclesfriend on Apr 19, 2018 11:55:40 GMT -5
Agreed SoccerMom, I believe he played for 5 years before coming to the 5 stripes on loan. I want to say he's scored more goals in just over 1 season with the 5 Stripes, than he did his entire career prior. Almiron on the other hand has to give Europe a try. I personally think Martinez has developed some bad habits playing up top. He doesn't track back well and at times shows some laziness in hustling for the ball. Plus, he more than anyone seems to feel the loss of Almiron, evidenced by his lack of production last season when Almiron was out. I'm hoping Barco pushes him to step up his game so the 5 stripes can have a double headed scoring monster. Sometimes Josef doesn't track back? How about MOST of the time. He is offside strolling casually back when our team has already gotten possession of the ball at least 15 times per game. It is super annoying. I love Miguel Almiron but how do you get to the pros and you refuse to use your off foot AT ALL! He will not even use his right foot for a 5 yard pass. He definitely won't shoot or cross with it. He is amazing in so many other ways though! I love his energy!
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Post by Futsal Gawdess on Apr 19, 2018 12:03:54 GMT -5
Agreed SoccerMom, I believe he played for 5 years before coming to the 5 stripes on loan. I want to say he's scored more goals in just over 1 season with the 5 Stripes, than he did his entire career prior. Almiron on the other hand has to give Europe a try. I personally think Martinez has developed some bad habits playing up top. He doesn't track back well and at times shows some laziness in hustling for the ball. Plus, he more than anyone seems to feel the loss of Almiron, evidenced by his lack of production last season when Almiron was out. I'm hoping Barco pushes him to step up his game so the 5 stripes can have a double headed scoring monster. Sometimes Josef doesn't track back? How about MOST of the time. He is offside strolling casually back when our team has already gotten possession of the ball at least 15 times per game. It is super annoying. I love Miguel Almiron but how do you get to the pros and you refuse to use your off foot AT ALL! He will not even use his right foot for a 5 yard pass. He definitely won't shoot or cross with it. He is amazing in so many other ways though! I love his energy! I'm still in 5 Stripes-land, so I was trying to be diplomatic but you get no arguments from moi. With Miggy, I blame the coaches that had him prior. I'm sure we all see the lack of using and trusting your weak foot in youth soccer. I bet he was such a dominant player and could get away with not having to use his weaker foot. However, his parents/coaches should have pushed him to get comfortable with it.
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Post by wyona on Apr 19, 2018 13:14:14 GMT -5
Doesn't seem to hurt Leo Messi that much that he's one footed. Ultimately if a player can go either way when beating a man it doesn't really matter if he's got two feet or not. I don't think Martinez will be given many opportunities in Europe, he had his chance in Italy (a league that may not even be in the top 3 in Europe) and failed over three seasons. Almiron I think has the quality but it'd take him at least a year to adapt to the pace and intensity in Europe. It would be whether or not a team would be willing to make the purchase with long term production in mind (and be willing to part with $25-30 million).
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Post by oraclesfriend on Apr 19, 2018 16:17:46 GMT -5
Doesn't seem to hurt Leo Messi that much that he's one footed. Ultimately if a player can go either way when beating a man it doesn't really matter if he's got two feet or not. I don't think Martinez will be given many opportunities in Europe, he had his chance in Italy (a league that may not even be in the top 3 in Europe) and failed over three seasons. Almiron I think has the quality but it'd take him at least a year to adapt to the pace and intensity in Europe. It would be whether or not a team would be willing to make the purchase with long term production in mind (and be willing to part with $25-30 million). Leo Messi is not as one-footed as Almiron. He actually has some right footed goals (72 at last count). He takes shots with his right. He will pass with his right. Almiron will not use his right AT ALL! He will run around in a circle to even pass with his left instead of right. I agree with Futsal Gawdess about blaming youth coaches but even by 12 year old as a U10 scored a third of her goals (she had 25) with her off foot and she was a middle of the pack player then. She just did it because the ball ended up at the left so she struck it with that foot rather than take extra touches and lose the chance to score. Some is a willingness to improve oneself.
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Post by wyona on Apr 19, 2018 16:51:45 GMT -5
Messi has also scored over 600 goals in comparison to Almiróns 20! Not the best sample size when looking for a comparison. Watch any Barcelona game or highlight video of Leo and it’s pretty clear that 95% of his touches and passes are with his left foot. He can finish with his right (mostly from 6 yards out), but the reason he is arguably the best ever is because the ball is stuck to his left foot.
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Post by oraclesfriend on Apr 19, 2018 17:05:32 GMT -5
Messi has also scored over 600 goals in comparison to Almiróns 20! Not the best sample size when looking for a comparison. Watch any Barcelona game or highlight video of Leo and it’s pretty clear that 95% of his touches and passes are with his left foot. He can finish with his right (mostly from 6 yards out), but the reason he is arguably the best ever is because the ball is stuck to his left foot. I am not sure that it is quite 95% of touches. I watch a lot of Barcelona games. Nearly all of them the last 3 years. I would say 85-90% of passes and shots are left footed but I have yet to see Almiron do ANY shots right footed and I am at every game unless my kids are playing and then I watch on TV. And as for the comparison, you are the one who brought Messi up, not me. I just put numbers on it. I wish Almiron the best. I enjoy having him on our team. He has to start using his off foot though. It is a glaring fault. The fact that he won't use it at all takes away a lot of his potential attacking options. He will not shoot if he cuts into from the left side across the field to the right. He has to either dish it off or stop and cut back in to the other side and then he will shoot with the left foot. And the reason why Messi is the best (or second best if you are a Ronaldo fan) is his control and balance and speed with the ball, not the fact that he uses only one foot. His finishing and passing are very clinical, but his dribbling and ability to beat 1v1 is what makes him awesome. Almiron has a lot of potential. He has some great moves. He needs to spend time on his right foot. As Leo Messi says you "can always get better technically."
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