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Post by Keeper on Apr 18, 2018 21:01:29 GMT -5
They’ve been that way since fall. We played there then and they were sand fields. I know ODP uses them since they’re the closest fields to Jacob Daniels house but yeah Forsyth County and UFA have let them fall to gsa’s fields standards.
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Post by soccermonster on Apr 18, 2018 21:16:01 GMT -5
What is the deal with South Forsyth fields, I've never seen these fields in such bad shape. Its a dust bowl and sand storm. Some of the worst fields I've seen in the area. HOW DOES A CLUB WITH SO MUCH RESOURCES HAVE FIELDS LIKE THAT. To add to that, people are paying top $$$ to pay at that club, its not acceptable. I'm sure I'll get roasted for saying this, but its not right. I'll tell you this, if Iggy and his girls teams trained there, those fields would not look like that. It's actually embarrassing. Ha! have you not been on the concorde fields? Oh yeah, thats right...they dont have any. I would take a crappy field over their lack of fields any time. Realistically a lot of the clubs have a few fields that are poorly maintained but we are use to it, its not only UFAs issue. They all have issues.
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Post by oraclesfriend on Apr 18, 2018 21:17:06 GMT -5
They’ve been that way since fall. We played there then and they were sand fields. I know ODP uses them since they’re the closest fields to Jacob Daniels house but yeah Forsyth County and UFA have let them fall to gsa’s fields standards. I agree that those fields are bad, but I have not seen any grass fields this spring in good condition. In the past the fields I have seen that have withstood the rain the best...Allen Creek. The drainage there is very good.
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Post by cleansheet on Apr 18, 2018 21:46:44 GMT -5
What is the deal with South Forsyth fields, I've never seen these fields in such bad shape. Its a dust bowl and sand storm. Some of the worst fields I've seen in the area. HOW DOES A CLUB WITH SO MUCH RESOURCES HAVE FIELDS LIKE THAT. To add to that, people are paying top $$$ to pay at that club, its not acceptable. I'm sure I'll get roasted for saying this, but its not right. I'll tell you this, if Iggy and his girls teams trained there, those fields would not look like that. It's actually embarrassing. Ha! have you not been on the concorde fields? Oh yeah, thats right...they dont have any. I would take a crappy field over their lack of fields any time. Realistically a lot of the clubs have a few fields that are poorly maintained but we are use to it, its not only UFAs issue. They all have issues. Concorde North Field at Abbott’s Hill Elem looks fantastic, the CF Central fields near Marist looked great a few months ago and so did their Ga Soccer Park fields off Camp Creek pkwy.
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Post by Soccerhouse on Apr 18, 2018 21:51:28 GMT -5
Ga Soccer park fields were unreal a few weekends ago. Probably some of the nicest fields I’ve seen in the city. Mowed perfect and great size pitches. The planes overhead suck, but to be honest - I was super impressed with the fields.
South Forsyth fields are pretty bad. Do they play games there?
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Post by soccerdaddy on Apr 18, 2018 22:22:33 GMT -5
Overuse on wet fields will do it to any grass. I think UFA’s DA and RPL teams train there. It probably gets pounded 7 days per week and the weather we’ve had this year hasn’t helped at all. They were nice a couple of years ago for a pre-ODP camp. The following year wasn’t bad at ODP tryouts. Haven’t been back this last season but with DA training I imagine it’s getting killed.
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Post by soccerfutbolfam on Apr 19, 2018 5:43:54 GMT -5
Gwinnett County parks does not take good care of their fields. I don't know if UFA owns those fields, but I know the clubs that have Gwinnett County Parks fields suffer because they won't do what it takes to maintain good soccer fields.
I saw someone comment about a field I am very familiar with and made a negative comment about the club. The irony is the club does all it can from bringing in sand, etc, but the county won't take care of the field.
Be careful in slamming clubs for their fields. They want good fields - probably more than the parents because that is part of what draws their players (ie customers).... and yet they can do very little to control it.
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Post by footy on Apr 19, 2018 6:56:31 GMT -5
Not sure what Gwinnett county has to do with South Forsyth? Didn't goucho used to take care of SF? I’ve seen Gaucho water South Forsyth regularly in the past but not sure what he can do with too much water from rainy weather.
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Post by Keeper on Apr 19, 2018 7:02:09 GMT -5
Gwinnett County parks does not take good care of their fields. I don't know if UFA owns those fields, but I know the clubs that have Gwinnett County Parks fields suffer because they won't do what it takes to maintain good soccer fields. I saw someone comment about a field I am very familiar with and made a negative comment about the club. The irony is the club does all it can from bringing in sand, etc, but the county won't take care of the field. Be careful in slamming clubs for their fields. They want good fields - probably more than the parents because that is part of what draws their players (ie customers).... and yet they can do very little to control it. Gwinnett County gives those clubs exclusive access to those fields. The least those clubs could do is put money back into those fields like winter rye, or reseeding them in the summer. I’ve worked for two different clubs in Gwinnett that had control of two different Gwinnett parks and worked with the Gwinnett County Parks & Rec and I’ve never known any of Club to put real money into the fields. They just wait for the county to open the check book to resod every two years.
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Post by Futsal Gawdess on Apr 19, 2018 7:47:43 GMT -5
Gwinnett County does give clubs exclusive access to the fields. However, it's managed and maintained by the county(job security). Even the closing or opening of the fields during rain-outs are at the permission of the county and the county parks rep. UFA in Gwinnett has gone so far as to offer to turf some of the grass fields at their own costs, especially those that have no drainage or water from other fields drain on to them. County has consistently said NO! One excuse to disallow this was that it would be an unfair advantage for clubs that can't afford to do that. The fields got so bad a couple of years ago that the leadership pulled the whole contractual obligations not being met etc. Now Gwinnett County does a much better job with the fields, especially with the maintenance(job security). Also UFA in Gwinnett has started to collaborate with local/non-county governments to find alternate relationships. Example: Summerour Field is in collaboration with Norcross.
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Post by soccerlegacy on Apr 19, 2018 9:17:42 GMT -5
I think a huge part of the problem is the lack of field space for soccer in general!! It causes overuse and the grass never gets to regenerate, which in turn causes poor drainage and the development of uneven surfaces.
What bugs the crap at me though, is that it seems soccer continues to be the "odd-sport out", even though it is one of the largest (if not the largest) youth sports being played. Yet, in my county there seems to be a new baseball park or football field being built every year. It appears to me soccer gets no love, but I could be biased.
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Post by Keeper on Apr 19, 2018 9:43:02 GMT -5
Gwinnett County does give clubs exclusive access to the fields. However, it's managed and maintained by the county(job security). Even the closing or opening of the fields during rain-outs are at the permission of the county and the county parks rep. UFA in Gwinnett has gone so far as to offer to turf some of the grass fields at their own costs, especially those that have no drainage or water from other fields drain on to them. County has consistently said NO! One excuse to disallow this was that it would be an unfair advantage for clubs that can't afford to do that. The fields got so bad a couple of years ago that the leadership pulled the whole contractual obligations not being met etc. Now Gwinnett County does a much better job with the fields, especially with the maintenance(job security). Also UFA in Gwinnett has started to collaborate with local/non-county governments to find alternate relationships. Example: Summerour Field is in collaboration with Norcross. Ufa Norcross / Pinckneyville May be the only field the county looks at. I was told by our county representative that the county does not interfere with the opening or closing of fields except when the are being resodded. Being mainly south gwinnett I’ve never seen an issue with Park maintenance or security that schools or other parks don’t have though. But as always there is a HUGE discrepancy from how things are run in North Gwinnett versus in South Gwinnett. I’m all for the county saying no to Ufa about turfing one park, it would be unfair and should be open to all county residents then. Good for Ufa to look at other local options though.
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Post by SoccerMom on Apr 19, 2018 9:44:17 GMT -5
Not sure what Gwinnett county has to do with South Forsyth? Didn't goucho used to take care of SF? South Forsyth is part of Forsyth Parks and Rec. The county goes and take care of it, but problably not as good as the rest of the parks because its low priority since its only a soccer park and plans for turfing it are nowhere near. Gaucho doesn't do it anymore, I believe Glen does now but not sure how much UFA does and how much the county does. There's also field in the back that hasn't been used in a long time. Theres Rec, Boys Academy and Boys DA practices. Games are all rec and Academy...all DA games are at Fowler
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Post by Keeper on Apr 19, 2018 9:45:43 GMT -5
I think a huge part of the problem is the lack of field space for soccer in general!! It causes overuse and the grass never gets to regenerate, which in turn causes poor drainage and the development of uneven surfaces. What bugs the crap at me though, is that it seems soccer continues to be the "odd-sport out", even though it is one of the largest (if not the largest) youth sports being played. Yet, in my county there seems to be a new baseball park or football field being built every year. It appears to me soccer gets no love, but I could be biased. I hear ya! Baseball parks are a waste of concrete. Can’t they just big open grass fields for everyone to use? I mean one massive grass field can be lined for football, soccer, lacrosse, baseball and still used for other things like cheerleading or ultimate frisbee. But those county commissioners are all baseball commissioner too.
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Post by spectator on Apr 19, 2018 14:36:18 GMT -5
Roswell has amazing fields. And they are maintained by the city parks and rec department. So if a city and small club can do it, why cant UFA/Gwinnett/Forsyth?
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Post by Deleted on Apr 19, 2018 14:46:31 GMT -5
I understand the bureaucracy of working with county governments when it comes to field maintenance. But, like @specator says, there is no reason those fields at South Forsyth can't be in better shape. They have not gotten much use this spring at all. They sat their unused for most of feb and march due to rain. Maybe too much rain is the problem, but its not the problem with many of Concorde's rented fields.
There are a few items that are essential when it comes to soccer training: 1) you need players 2) you need a ball 3) you need objects that can act as goals 4) you need a place to train -- it doesn't have to be a soccer field, could be a patch of grass by the river and kids have to chase balls into the river.
my point is leadership at these clubs get paid very well to assure items 1 to 4 are in place, and there is no reason item 4 isn't a place that is in better shape etc.
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Post by soccerlegacy on Apr 19, 2018 15:38:21 GMT -5
I understand the bureaucracy of working with county governments when it comes to field maintenance. But, like @specator says, there is no reason those fields at South Forsyth can't be in better shape. They have not gotten much use this spring at all. They sat their unused for most of feb and march due to rain. Maybe too much rain is the problem, but its not the problem with many of Concorde's rented fields. There are a few items that are essential when it comes to soccer training: 1) you need players 2) you need a ball 3) you need objects that can act as goals 4) you need a place to train -- it doesn't have to be a soccer field, could be a patch of grass by the river and kids have to chase balls into the river. my point is leadership at these clubs get paid very well to assure items 1 to 4 are in place, and there is no reason item 4 isn't a place that is in better shape etc. Actually, items 1 and 2 are already provided by the parents, so it's really only 2 items that they have to take care of...
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Post by Soccerhouse on Apr 19, 2018 15:48:01 GMT -5
Add item 5 - a coach So items 3,4 and 5
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Post by Keeper on Apr 19, 2018 22:13:53 GMT -5
Roswell has amazing fields. And they are maintained by the city parks and rec department. So if a city and small club can do it, why cant UFA/Gwinnett/Forsyth? Takes a city with a lot of money. Plus doenst Santos teams rosters have to be made up of City of Roswell residents. I know there’s something about 50% + 1 of the roster has to be city residents are they have to pay extra? Can’t wait to see what Dunwoody does with Brook Run Park. Last I saw was 4 full size fields plus baseball & football fields. Chiefs will finally have a great Park after they get those built.
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Post by SoccerMom on Apr 19, 2018 22:46:00 GMT -5
I was told that UFA has tried to do stuff to the fields at South but the county wont let them. UFA has the equipment but they have to rely on them. They have gone and done stuff in the past but the county now has told them to stop
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Post by spectator on Apr 20, 2018 12:36:54 GMT -5
Roswell has amazing fields. And they are maintained by the city parks and rec department. So if a city and small club can do it, why cant UFA/Gwinnett/Forsyth? Takes a city with a lot of money. Plus doenst Santos teams rosters have to be made up of City of Roswell residents. I know there’s something about 50% + 1 of the roster has to be city residents are they have to pay extra? Ironic - club with the best fields has the most restrictions in place to keep folks from going there. Yes, city of Roswell residents get a reduced cost and there was a resident requirement for teams although I heard they had relaxed that to help get more kids on the select teams. I believe Alpharetta Ambush has the same situation - residency requirement. Again the irony - you need a city or county to maintain the fields a club needs but a city or county isn't the best manager of a soccer club.
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Post by rifle on Apr 20, 2018 12:50:59 GMT -5
Cool thing about Roswell is you can go play on most of those fields anytime, unless a league has a scheduled event. There are pickup games being played all the time.
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Post by Keeper on Apr 20, 2018 12:57:51 GMT -5
So what I hear is we need to get the county’s out of Soccer and let the cities run and fund things.
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Post by SoccerMom on Apr 20, 2018 14:07:35 GMT -5
That only works if you are within the city limits doesn't it?
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Post by soccerfan30 on Apr 21, 2018 13:13:31 GMT -5
There is one club in Gwinnett that owns their fields and the condition is always bleh
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Post by Keeper on Apr 21, 2018 18:30:05 GMT -5
There is one club in Gwinnett that owns their fields and the condition is always bleh Bleh is being generous. Hahaha But if we are thinking of the same club they just merged with another club to help fund raise/pay to turf their private fields.
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