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Post by atlsoccer on Apr 19, 2018 10:38:37 GMT -5
With all the changes, I realized I did not even fully understand the structure of youth soccer in the past and what leagues affiliated with which organizations, much less with all the changes to come. Here is my attempt to map out those leagues from highest perceived level to lowest in Georgia.
US Club Soccer ECNL -> NPL -> SCCL (New unannounced league)
US Youth Soccer NL -> Piedmont Conference -> Classic and Athena -> Rec and then ODP as a supplement.
USSF DA
USL Super Y as a supplementary summer league to any/all of the above except for DA.
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Post by SoccerMom on Apr 19, 2018 10:51:32 GMT -5
DA is not US Youth Soccer, its USSF
Super Y is USL
ODP is USYS
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Post by atlsoccer on Apr 19, 2018 11:02:32 GMT -5
DA is not US Youth Soccer, its USSF Super Y is USL ODP is USYS Thanks, I made those changes.
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Post by soccerdaddy on Apr 19, 2018 12:54:58 GMT -5
Nice, I’ll go with the one and only USSF - DA If we can continue to get better then I’ll be HAPPY to stay!
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Post by oraclesfriend on Apr 19, 2018 16:10:23 GMT -5
Nice, I’ll go with the one and only USSF - DA If we can continue to get better then I’ll be HAPPY to stay! Just curious...boy or girl? With all of the hubbub about substitution rules and high school soccer that was flying on the girls DA vs ECNL discussion I thought someone might chime in with how the boys deal with it and feel about it.
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Post by soccerdaddy on Apr 19, 2018 16:11:32 GMT -5
Nice, I’ll go with the one and only USSF - DA If we can continue to get better then I’ll be HAPPY to stay! Just curious...boy or girl? With all of the hubbub about substitution rules and high school soccer that was flying on the girls DA vs ECNL discussion I thought someone might chime in with how the boys deal with it and feel about it. Boy 😃👍
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Post by soccerdaddy on Apr 19, 2018 16:28:16 GMT -5
Just curious...boy or girl? With all of the hubbub about substitution rules and high school soccer that was flying on the girls DA vs ECNL discussion I thought someone might chime in with how the boys deal with it and feel about it. Boy 😃👍 Sorry I meant to leave you some details about substitutions. As far as I know there are three chances to substitute. You can do as many as you want one or five each time. Halftime does not count as a substitution chance. So far, no one has been substituted and gone back out to play because It will can count as one time out one time in. 2 chances done. About 4 players play 100% of the game. 8 play 65-70% and the rest get 25-25 %. We play 40 min halves.
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Post by Futsal Gawdess on Apr 19, 2018 20:03:15 GMT -5
Soccerdaddy, so your boy is at least a U14 player. Question, are the playing times determined by position or level of skill of the player?
I think when you weigh both sides, the path for boys is well established and truly has no competition. DA is the way to go. The girl's side, not so cut and dry. ECNL has the history, infrastructure(success, nat'l team call ups, showcases, coaching relationships). GDA is run by the USSF, which as much as we like or dislike their actions counts for something. After-all, it is their product.
I still stand by my belief that GDA should bring something different, inventive and encompassing to the table. My suggestion is this(USSF President for a minute wish). I would mandate that cost, exposure and resources is where GDA can out-muscle ECNL. USSF sets the schedule and allocates GDA to clubs right? Since there are no deep pocket MLS clubs on the girls side, I say make this a true grass roots model. First, over a 5 year period, pay for all travel related costs for GDA. First year 100%, second year 80%, etc. Secondly, work out a deal with national retailers and sponsors to fund this. I would still have the players pay the regular fees you pay with GDA(approx. $2k) to the clubs. Remove the substitution issue. If development is the main goal of the GDA/DA, i've always been curious as to why rolling substitutions aren't allowed? I would keep the restriction of playing in HS etc. One other thing I would do is say, for the regular season, GDA only play GDA. You also do 2-3 showcases. However, in the off weekends and open dates, pre-season, etc. I would allow GDA teams to play other non-GDA teams. However, it can only be ECNL teams. This is in the hopes of keeping the competition at a high level.
This leaves to viable and hopefully successful leagues. Also In the double years for GDA like U16/17 for example, the players who are true U16s and are not as strong to make the team, can mosey on to ECNL to keep their skill set sharp. In addition, it allows those players to reintegrate and experience playing with schools and friends. Also allows them if they so choose to take the spring off and give their bodies a chance to rest and heal in anticipation of the push for the college scholarship grind. Or enjoy your sophomore year. All in the hopes you come back hungrier for the beautiful game we all love.
Okay stepping off my USSF President for a Quick Minute Podium - Exit stage right 😃😃
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Post by oraclesfriend on Apr 19, 2018 20:41:10 GMT -5
Futsal Gawdess for USSF president! Or if not that then the new USSF Women's General manager position! Great ideas!
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Post by footy on Apr 19, 2018 21:27:12 GMT -5
Nice, I’ll go with the one and only USSF - DA If we can continue to get better then I’ll be HAPPY to stay! Just curious...boy or girl? With all of the hubbub about substitution rules and high school soccer that was flying on the girls DA vs ECNL discussion I thought someone might chime in with how the boys deal with it and feel about it. Here are some observations on the boys' side, U15 and up. By the time you reach the top two age groups, these older boys are used to the substitution rules and it is the choice they make to play DA. Some coaches are very fair and split playing time evenly among players in each position. Others have clear favorites, and if you look at the DA statistics for players, there are some who start in 100% of games, and others who play or start in less than 25% (I guess the 25% start minimum requirement is just a guideline to some coaches). Rosters may have as few as 16 players or as many as 27 or so. Some of these teams travel to places like Florida for just one weekend game. The coach can roster 18 players but may only play 16 (starting 11 plus 5 subs). So that's a maximum of 1 goalkeeper and 15 field players or 2 goalkeepers and 14 field players who make it onto the field. If 18 kids travel, that's 2 kids with zero playing time in that game, even though they paid to go (except in the case of AU). Let's say it's a 2-game weekend in Florida and 22 kids travel. Just because that many kids travel, it doesn't mean that all the kids are going to play. If the coach is nice, all kids will play at least a little bit, but that may only be 10 minutes over the course of 2 games. I've seen it happen. It's not fun. If you're one of the usual kids who doesn't get much playing time, you can hope maybe to be able to play up an age group with the older team for a game if their roster is smaller, or hope that the other player or players in your position fall out of favor with the coach or are in card trouble, sick, injured, or out of town. Some kids are content to be reserves and that's fine. But if not, it may be time to find another team because the substitution rules are generally not in their favor.
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Post by soccerdaddy on Apr 20, 2018 0:58:16 GMT -5
Futsal Gawdess, to answer your questions - "Soccerdaddy, so your boy is at least a U14 player. Question, are the playing times determined by position or level of skill of the player?" Not sure if the coach would agree with me but my analysis is that the 100% players are the ones that can physically play the entire game (they have skill as well, they are in DA :-)) but would do better in other positions. However, Coach has them in the middle of it all. All 4 players have gone through puberty and are physically stronger and faster than everyone else including most on other teams. They look like upper class High School students. 2 center backs, Striker and Center attacking Mid (Middle of it all). They play the same position every game. Coach has never subbed for those positions. I'm pretty sure the other defenders could play CB and we have 5 MF that play on the sides, 2 of which could play in the center but coach won't change. Our Center Mid is our top goal scorer with 23, he is a pure striker but coach won't put the other striker in the midfield or Forward position. Everyone else subs around them. Read more: gasoccerforum.com/thread/2873/mapping-out-youth-soccer-club#ixzz5DBh4fQI4
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