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Post by Deleted on May 4, 2018 12:29:16 GMT -5
I think that you could consider the top RPL (now NL) on a very similar level to ECNL. Our friends on Tophat u15 ECNL went to a tournament recently against RPL teams, losing 2 and drawing one: home.gotsoccer.com/rankings/event.aspx?EventID=59823&GroupID=633826Tophat u15 ECNL team is a top 4 team in their ECNL bracket as well. Results like these tell me that the level is not all that different |
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Post by Keeper on May 4, 2018 12:32:03 GMT -5
Both Augusta Arsenal and GSA have 06 teams playing up in Select -Cliv in fall and cliii in spring. Where do they fit in all of this? My understanding is the GSA 06 team playing up in Classic III this year will play U13 ECNL next season. That’s the GSA North 06 Premier team, and no they plan on going Athena A/B, the GSA South 06 Premier team in Athena B is Judson’s team and yes he has already told them they will be going ECNL and has caused quite a stir since a few families were not prepared for that jump since they have struggled. |
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Post by Keeper on May 4, 2018 12:35:16 GMT -5
So are you saying that SRPL is higher than ECNL? Interesting. For some teams yes. I’ve know quite a few R3PL teams that have hammered ECNL teams. Just because you’re one part of the alphabet soup doesn’t mean you’re better then another part, you’re buying a label. Not quality. |
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Post by soccerfan30 on May 4, 2018 12:39:18 GMT -5
My understanding is the GSA 06 team playing up in Classic III this year will play U13 ECNL next season. That’s the GSA North 06 Premier team, and no they plan on going Athena A/B, the GSA South 06 Premier team in Athena B is Judson’s team and yes he has already told them they will be going ECNL and has caused quite a stir since a few families were not prepared for that jump since they have struggled. Of course JH's team is going to ECNL, how else are they going to recruit better players to bolster the team. |
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Post by atv on May 4, 2018 12:39:48 GMT -5
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Post by surgesoccer on May 4, 2018 12:56:07 GMT -5
So are you saying that SRPL is higher than ECNL? Interesting. No. Not saying that. |
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Post by atlfutboldad on May 4, 2018 14:10:41 GMT -5
My understanding is the GSA 06 team playing up in Classic III this year will play U13 ECNL next season. That’s the GSA North 06 Premier team, and no they plan on going Athena A/B, the GSA South 06 Premier team in Athena B is Judson’s team and yes he has already told them they will be going ECNL and has caused quite a stir since a few families were not prepared for that jump since they have struggled. Why wouldn't the ECNL team pull the best from both locations??? |
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Post by greenmonkey on May 4, 2018 14:51:11 GMT -5
Why wouldn't the ECNL team pull the best from both locations??? NOW that is a very good question. Regardless of boys or girls teams! UFA, CF, GSA and NTH all have multiple locations (no idea about SSA or AFU) so one would "assume" that one reason for these strategic mergers, partnerships, and alliances is so that: the "top 18" from the club who are interested and talented enough regardless of location would be rostered DA(GDA), then next 18 (players 18-36) ECNL(girls - are boys considering ECNL the second level after DA), then next 18 (players 36-54) would be rostered on level 3 But then you read comments all throughout this thread about all the "which team is that playing what level out of which location". So I have to remind myself to stop looking for logic and reason it what appears to be a very unlogical and unreasonable system. But I AM VERY INTERESTED in hearing if anyone has a real answer to you why not both question? |
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Post by soccerfan30 on May 4, 2018 15:08:57 GMT -5
At NTH the Buckhead location is always the location for the top teams in each age group on the girls side DA and ECNL
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Post by greenmonkey on May 4, 2018 15:22:44 GMT -5
At NTH the Buckhead location is always the location for the top teams in each age group on the girls side DA and ECNL But just for the sake of talking big picture ... Yes I understand all the girls on all the DA and ECNL teams are playing out of the Buckhead location however; at some point I assume some girls from Metro North or LSA who are talented and interested enough will then tryout and play on the DA or ECNL team. Just as by reputation there are many girls from Concorde Central, Concorde North, UFA, UFA, GSA, SSA, etc. who are interested and talented enough to also tryout for (and make) the Buckhead DA and ECNL TopHat teams. But those same girls from Concorde Central and Concorde North who are interested or talented enough could also choose to tryout at Concorde Central for DA and ECNL since that is the location listed on their website for ECNL and DA. Likewise a Concorde North girl may be located closer to UFA and wish to try out for that GDA. Etc. etc. etc. So why wouldn't a GSA ECNL team draw from both the GSA North (Dacula) and GSA South (Lilburn) talent pools regardless of which location the ECNL team trains out of? |
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Post by atv on May 4, 2018 15:42:25 GMT -5
At NTH the Buckhead location is always the location for the top teams in each age group on the girls side DA and ECNL But just for the sake of talking big picture ... Yes I understand all the girls on all the DA and ECNL teams are playing out of the Buckhead location however; at some point I assume some girls from Metro North or LSA who are talented and interested enough will then tryout and play on the DA or ECNL team. Just as by reputation there are many girls from Concorde Central, Concorde North, UFA, UFA, GSA, SSA, etc. who are interested and talented enough to also tryout for (and make) the Buckhead DA and ECNL TopHat teams. But those same girls from Concorde Central and Concorde North who are interested or talented enough could also choose to tryout at Concorde Central for DA and ECNL since that is the location listed on their website for ECNL and DA. Likewise a Concorde North girl may be located closer to UFA and wish to try out for that GDA. Etc. etc. etc. So why wouldn't a GSA ECNL team draw from both the GSA North (Dacula) and GSA South (Lilburn) talent pools regardless of which location the ECNL team trains out of? I believe most of the GSA girls ECNL teams trained out of Lilburn this season but there are several girls from Dacula (North) on those squads. Girls RPL was a mixture as well. However, I believe the Lilburn location frankly had better girls teams and a higher percentage of players on those teams so they continued to practice there. All 3 GSA parks are geographically close but the central location (Rhodes Jordan) was used for most of the boys teams that were more mixed. Could change, I guess. |
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Post by oraclesfriend on May 4, 2018 15:44:01 GMT -5
At NTH the Buckhead location is always the location for the top teams in each age group on the girls side DA and ECNL But just for the sake of talking big picture ... Yes I understand all the girls on all the DA and ECNL teams are playing out of the Buckhead location however; at some point I assume some girls from Metro North or LSA who are talented and interested enough will then tryout and play on the DA or ECNL team. Just as by reputation there are many girls from Concorde Central, Concorde North, UFA, UFA, GSA, SSA, etc. who are interested and talented enough to also tryout for (and make) the Buckhead DA and ECNL TopHat teams. But those same girls from Concorde Central and Concorde North who are interested or talented enough could also choose to tryout at Concorde Central for DA and ECNL since that is the location listed on their website for ECNL and DA. Likewise a Concorde North girl may be located closer to UFA and wish to try out for that GDA. Etc. etc. etc. So why wouldn't a GSA ECNL team draw from both the GSA North (Dacula) and GSA South (Lilburn) talent pools regardless of which location the ECNL team trains out of? This is a great question and I bet they do, however that is related to the issue of whether the parents CAN and WILL drive the kids there. Currently the girls team GSA south 06 premier is in athena B and the 06 North premier is in Athens C and in the bottom half of the table. If there are any kids of enough quality to fill a spot on ECNL for next year then hopefully they will be encouraged to come down to the south location. That may not be possible though. Maybe AFU ECNL is closer or dozens of other reasons. Part of the issue with the multiple locations is that sometimes the logistics don't work out. Concorde North to Concorde Central is also a hike. |
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Post by atlfutboldad on May 5, 2018 10:58:37 GMT -5
But just for the sake of talking big picture ... Yes I understand all the girls on all the DA and ECNL teams are playing out of the Buckhead location however; at some point I assume some girls from Metro North or LSA who are talented and interested enough will then tryout and play on the DA or ECNL team. Just as by reputation there are many girls from Concorde Central, Concorde North, UFA, UFA, GSA, SSA, etc. who are interested and talented enough to also tryout for (and make) the Buckhead DA and ECNL TopHat teams. But those same girls from Concorde Central and Concorde North who are interested or talented enough could also choose to tryout at Concorde Central for DA and ECNL since that is the location listed on their website for ECNL and DA. Likewise a Concorde North girl may be located closer to UFA and wish to try out for that GDA. Etc. etc. etc. So why wouldn't a GSA ECNL team draw from both the GSA North (Dacula) and GSA South (Lilburn) talent pools regardless of which location the ECNL team trains out of? This is a great question and I bet they do, however that is related to the issue of whether the parents CAN and WILL drive the kids there. Currently the girls team GSA south 06 premier is in athena B and the 06 North premier is in Athens C and in the bottom half of the table. If there are any kids of enough quality to fill a spot on ECNL for next year then hopefully they will be encouraged to come down to the south location. That may not be possible though. Maybe AFU ECNL is closer or dozens of other reasons. Part of the issue with the multiple locations is that sometimes the logistics don't work out. Concorde North to Concorde Central is also a hike. Exactly my situation. Rabbit hill is the closest big 5 park to my house, but because they won't have ECNL there and likely not SCL there, I'm not sure how advantageous the proximity is for me. Lilburn is 25 minutes further away in NO TRAFFIC. I watched the 06G dacula team play an Athena C East game earlier this season and was not particularly impressed. I think the lilburn ECNL team will steal the best 2-3 players from dacula and then the SCL steal the next 2-3 and the rest of that team MAY be a B quality team. Meanwhile I've seen the AFU 06 elite and gold teams play and was quite impressed with both. |
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Post by oraclesfriend on May 5, 2018 11:11:52 GMT -5
We know girls on both the AFU 06 Elite and 06 Gold teams. They are also very happy kids with their coaches and teams. I think you are probably correct that those teams will be better than anything out of GSA North in that age group especially. Hard to say what is best. Hindsight is the best judge. Too late unfortunately.
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Post by atlfutboldad on May 5, 2018 11:36:41 GMT -5
Mine will be doing super Y with many of that group...unfortunately it's after tryouts though. Will simply see how it goes.
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Post by atv on May 5, 2018 11:42:46 GMT -5
This is a great question and I bet they do, however that is related to the issue of whether the parents CAN and WILL drive the kids there. Currently the girls team GSA south 06 premier is in athena B and the 06 North premier is in Athens C and in the bottom half of the table. If there are any kids of enough quality to fill a spot on ECNL for next year then hopefully they will be encouraged to come down to the south location. That may not be possible though. Maybe AFU ECNL is closer or dozens of other reasons. Part of the issue with the multiple locations is that sometimes the logistics don't work out. Concorde North to Concorde Central is also a hike. Exactly my situation. Rabbit hill is the closest big 5 park to my house, but because they won't have ECNL there and likely not SCL there, I'm not sure how advantageous the proximity is for me. Lilburn is 25 minutes further away in NO TRAFFIC. I watched the 06G dacula team play an Athena C East game earlier this season and was not particularly impressed. I think the lilburn ECNL team will steal the best 2-3 players from dacula and then the SCL steal the next 2-3 and the rest of that team MAY be a B quality team. Meanwhile I've seen the AFU 06 elite and gold teams play and was quite impressed with both. Yes, agree. For the girls teams, especially Champions league. Need a heavier mix out of Dacula. The Lilburn location might be ok if they have an existing team that’s pretty strong but should, going forward (IMO) play some of the girls teams out of Rabbit Hill or the central location which is 10 minutes from Rabbit Hill. That’s actually been my POV all year long, “you know, they have girls in Dacula that could really help the team out!” |
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Post by Deleted on May 5, 2018 13:06:09 GMT -5
We know girls on both the AFU 06 Elite and 06 Gold teams. They are also very happy kids with their coaches and teams. I think you are probably correct that those teams will be better than anything out of GSA North in that age group especially. Hard to say what is best. Hindsight is the best judge. Too late unfortunately. |
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Post by Deleted on May 5, 2018 13:07:16 GMT -5
Small works . I’m very close to many parents on that AFU 06 Elite team . We are probably friends with some of the same people 😀
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Post by dad on May 5, 2018 14:20:19 GMT -5
I think that you could consider the top RPL (now NL) on a very similar level to ECNL. Our friends on Tophat u15 ECNL went to a tournament recently against RPL teams, losing 2 and drawing one: home.gotsoccer.com/rankings/event.aspx?EventID=59823&GroupID=633826Tophat u15 ECNL team is a top 4 team in their ECNL bracket as well. Results like these tell me that the level is not all that different |
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Post by dad on May 5, 2018 14:24:17 GMT -5
Those NC rpl teams are the 03 Piedmont division girls. We played them last season and they were better than any 03 ECNL team we have played in the last couple of years. I hope they stay in. It will make for a tough division.
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Post by SoccerMom on May 5, 2018 16:04:25 GMT -5
Bunch of NC teams formed a league like SCCL. Have you checked if any of those teams in it?
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Post by insideinfo on May 5, 2018 22:15:21 GMT -5
Update: US Club filing a grievance against Georgia Soccer for the Policy Change, however US Soccer legal has already told Georgia Soccer how to edit the Policy so it will not get overturned. With edits this policy change is going to stick. Super Y will be allowed this summer but next summer Georgia Soccer will provide a summer program for clubs to replace Super Y. My source has informed me that US Soccer rules specify that states cannot restrict clubs from participating in specific leagues. While Georgia Soccer would like to support the non-Big 5 clubs, there is no precedence to prohibit the Big 5 from participating in the National League. This type of league structure is already in existence in other states and regions so creating new language in opposition of that would take time. The reality is that tryouts are less than a month away so any changes should be made thoughtfully. Further edits to the policy can be developed over the next year to avoid any surprises for players or parents this fall. |
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Post by infoguy on May 5, 2018 22:36:26 GMT -5
So no one is getting kicked out of the new USYS league?
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Post by SoccerMom on May 5, 2018 22:46:28 GMT -5
So no one is getting kicked out of the new USYS league? At this point nothing is 100%. I had heard something similar when it all happened. Seems to me that GA Soccer had to know that this wouldn't stick but they only did it to please the non Big 5 so that they could say "we tried" Also not sure what USYS plans to do with teams that already qualified for RPL/NL, do they kick them out or are they grandfathered in until they get relegated? |
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Post by soccerdaddy on May 5, 2018 22:48:22 GMT -5
Update: US Club filing a grievance against Georgia Soccer for the Policy Change, however US Soccer legal has already told Georgia Soccer how to edit the Policy so it will not get overturned. With edits this policy change is going to stick. Super Y will be allowed this summer but next summer Georgia Soccer will provide a summer program for clubs to replace Super Y. My source has informed me that US Soccer rules specify that states cannot restrict clubs from participating in specific leagues. While Georgia Soccer would like to support the non-Big 5 clubs, there is no precedence to prohibit the Big 5 from participating in the National League. This type of league structure is already in existence in other states and regions so creating new language in opposition of that would take time. The reality is that tryouts are less than a month away so any changes should be made thoughtfully. Further edits to the policy can be developed over the next year to avoid any surprises for players or parents this fall. Quite Frankly, there is too much money at stake. All this fuss ☹️ So, the big 5 can continue to play and qualify for NL? Due to “legalities” but thanks for trying to boot them out because if your not a part of the big 5 then GA Soccer will be on your side right 😃 Just let clubs play in what ever leagues they choose. You have parents fighting each other based on the stupid league they are in because you tell them they are playing the highest level and no other compares. Please be considerate of the ones who pay you. Thank you for your service! |
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Post by Deleted on May 5, 2018 22:54:29 GMT -5
True, US Club soccer WILL win the ruling... However, USYSA has rewritten the bylaws that will not "exclude" anyone yet will be worded in a way that the US Club Soccer teams will still be left out.......
The Big 5 wanted out of USYSA, and they got their wish..
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Post by Deleted on May 5, 2018 22:58:03 GMT -5
Let me put it in english.......
If you are not a member of Ga Soccer, you may enter State Cup, BUT you will not be allowed to advance to the new RPL/NL............................................
You all wanted specifics from me? There you go. Specifics.
The Big 5 chose to be out of Ga Soccer, now they get their wish.
Choose wisely
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Post by SoccerMom on May 5, 2018 23:00:15 GMT -5
True, US Club soccer WILL win the ruling... However, USYSA has rewritten the bylaws that will not "exclude" anyone yet will be worded in a way that the US Club Soccer teams will still be left out....... The Big 5 wanted out of USYSA, and they got their wish.. Unless you're AFU (according to you) because they will have a waiver and will be able to play both 🤔 |
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Post by SoccerMom on May 5, 2018 23:02:09 GMT -5
Let me put it in english....... If you are not a member of Ga Soccer, you may enter State Cup, BUT you will not be allowed to advance to the new RPL/NL............................................ You all wanted specifics from me? There you go. Specifics. The Big 5 chose to be out of Ga Soccer, now they get their wish. Choose wisely The big 5 are not out of GA Soccer. Their teams that do not play DA, ECNL, NPL, SCCL will still be part of Ga Soccer. Ga Soccer cant afford to lose that revenue from the big 5 |
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Post by soccerdaddy on May 5, 2018 23:14:59 GMT -5
Let me put it in english....... If you are not a member of Ga Soccer, you may enter State Cup, BUT you will not be allowed to advance to the new RPL/NL............................................ You all wanted specifics from me? There you go. Specifics. The Big 5 chose to be out of Ga Soccer, now they get their wish. Choose wisely The big 5 are not out of GA Soccer. Their teams that do not play DA, ECNL, NPL, SCCL will still be part of Ga Soccer. Ga Soccer cant afford to lose that revenue from the big 5 If Big 5 is let go from GA Soccer, how much is that in loss revenue? Let’s see what comes out, @bigdawg your wrong on this one and we shall see about tomorrow in the DA or not 😃 |
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