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Post by infoguy on May 7, 2018 13:58:43 GMT -5
Yea, what makes sense usually doesn't happen. but, once you get combined teams from team 1 to 3, you question what is even the point of separate branches, just for the left overs? the 01s was an example of what is wrong as well, norcross team was the higher seeded team from the year before, so when dixon moved over to Fowler, he basically had first pick of kids he didn't take for the 01/02 DA team. Then the fowler team was 2nd. And to those who haven't been to south forysth in a while, you don't want to train there until somebody turfs the other side of the road (rumor I've heard as well). Its like training in a sand storm or on concrete with rocks displacing the ball all over the place. Soccerhouse, I think we r saying the same thing, but to be clear, the Fowler team was the higher seed from the year before, but yes I assume that Dixon got his pick of the 2 groups.
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Post by infoguy on May 7, 2018 14:00:15 GMT -5
I’m sure it was a well planned and strategic communication, however it’s interestjng that there’s no reference to NPL or ECNL. I do think it’s important to know the current interrelationship between the leagues. Each club will do its own release about that Definitely, but I also read the US Club release and it’s not explicit about the relationship between its 3 leagues - although in past releases they talk about that NPL is qualifying league for ENPL.
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Post by Soccerhouse on May 7, 2018 14:08:43 GMT -5
Yea, what makes sense usually doesn't happen. but, once you get combined teams from team 1 to 3, you question what is even the point of separate branches, just for the left overs? the 01s was an example of what is wrong as well, norcross team was the higher seeded team from the year before, so when dixon moved over to Fowler, he basically had first pick of kids he didn't take for the 01/02 DA team. Then the fowler team was 2nd. And to those who haven't been to south forysth in a while, you don't want to train there until somebody turfs the other side of the road (rumor I've heard as well). Its like training in a sand storm or on concrete with rocks displacing the ball all over the place. Soccerhouse, I think we r saying the same thing, but to be clear, the Fowler team was the higher seed from the year before, but yes I assume that Dixon got his pick of the 2 groups. yea, your right! makes sense! So will be interesting to see what they do with these 2 teams.
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Post by Futsal Gawdess on May 7, 2018 14:56:59 GMT -5
We were told the 2nd team behind DA is the NPL team at UFA. That happens to be the Forsyth location for our age group. But if Norcross was the better team, they’d be NPL instead. I have been told 3 different things by 4 different people. 2 coaches said the same thing Forsyth gets NPL and SCCL for premier and red. One coach said Forsyth gets NPL and Norcross SCCL. And a parent who works in volunteering a lot who has two kids playing, one boy and one girl said that they will decide who gets what depending on the end of the season standings. I'm speaking from the girls side - At UFA, the top team across the entire club will be DA. Which as we all know is run out of Fowler/Forsyth. Norcross will get the CL. UFA is also an NPL member and will field an NPL team too. NPL will be run out of Fowler. What's supposed to happen is the club is supposed to push CL as the next level from DA. So if a player lives in-between Fowler/Norcross, she's supposed to be pushed to CL. However, the reality is quite a few players live and play out of Fowler. They have the numbers to field another team which will make up the NPL team. At the same time, the club doesn't want a player who would prefer to play out of Fowler, leaving because their only option is DA or bust. So NPL is supposed to appease those, that way they stay at the club and get another bite out of the DA apple.
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Post by Futsal Gawdess on May 7, 2018 15:02:24 GMT -5
Just curious, will my daughter (u12 next year) play less games and travel more? Is this half a season or will she play a full schedule in the fall and spring? Thanks She will likely make 3 trips. One to Alabama to play the Alabama teams, one to Greenville to play CESA and one to Orlando to play in the Disney Cup. In speaking with Iggy he informed me that the folks down at Disney have guaranteed all CL teams a spot at their tournament. However, the one caveat is they are trusting the DOCs and experienced coaches to be honest about a team's level of play and that they decide where a team truly needs to be at Disney or choosing instead to stay home and not taint the tournament with lesser skilled teams.
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Post by oraclesfriend on May 7, 2018 15:17:47 GMT -5
I have been told 3 different things by 4 different people. 2 coaches said the same thing Forsyth gets NPL and SCCL for premier and red. One coach said Forsyth gets NPL and Norcross SCCL. And a parent who works in volunteering a lot who has two kids playing, one boy and one girl said that they will decide who gets what depending on the end of the season standings. I'm speaking from the girls side - At UFA, the top team across the entire club will be DA. Which as we all know is run out of Fowler/Forsyth. Norcross will get the CL. UFA is also an NPL member and will field an NPL team too. NPL will be run out of Fowler. What's supposed to happen is the club is supposed to push CL as the next level from DA. So if a player lives in-between Fowler/Norcross, she's supposed to be pushed to CL. However, the reality is quite a few players live and play out of Fowler. They have the numbers to field another team which will make up the NPL team. At the same time, the club doesn't want a player who would prefer to play out of Fowler, leaving because their only option is DA or bust. So NPL is supposed to appease those, that way they stay at the club and get another bite out of the DA apple. Since the numbers are WAY bigger at Forsyth for girls than they are at Norcross I just can't see that working out with SCCL being second behind DA. You might get some that will go from Fowler to Norcross for that and in some age groups that Norcross team may be better, but I think most of the time the premier team (NPL) out of Forsyth will be stronger than Norcross. Regardless it will be interesting to see how it works out. I hope they post the official plan and the coaches soon.
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Post by rifle on May 7, 2018 16:13:17 GMT -5
I'm surprised SCCL clubs don't hold tryouts a week early.. and really open things up.
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Post by infoguy on May 7, 2018 16:30:06 GMT -5
I have been told 3 different things by 4 different people. 2 coaches said the same thing Forsyth gets NPL and SCCL for premier and red. One coach said Forsyth gets NPL and Norcross SCCL. And a parent who works in volunteering a lot who has two kids playing, one boy and one girl said that they will decide who gets what depending on the end of the season standings. I'm speaking from the girls side - At UFA, the top team across the entire club will be DA. Which as we all know is run out of Fowler/Forsyth. Norcross will get the CL. UFA is also an NPL member and will field an NPL team too. NPL will be run out of Fowler. What's supposed to happen is the club is supposed to push CL as the next level from DA. So if a player lives in-between Fowler/Norcross, she's supposed to be pushed to CL. However, the reality is quite a few players live and play out of Fowler. They have the numbers to field another team which will make up the NPL team. At the same time, the club doesn't want a player who would prefer to play out of Fowler, leaving because their only option is DA or bust. So NPL is supposed to appease those, that way they stay at the club and get another bite out of the DA apple. FG - curious about your statement that SCCL is supposed to be considered 2nd behind DA, when NPL is already at UFA. NPL is more regional and, I hate to sound like a broken record, it’s a qualifying league for the ENPL. Maybe more news is to follow.
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Post by infoguy on May 7, 2018 17:07:50 GMT -5
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Post by SoccerMom on May 7, 2018 17:11:48 GMT -5
Each club will do its own release about that Definitely, but I also read the US Club release and it’s not explicit about the relationship between its 3 leagues - although in past releases they talk about that NPL is qualifying league for ENPL. Since not all 5 teams have the same leagues I think it would have been hard to explain
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Post by SoccerMom on May 7, 2018 17:15:13 GMT -5
Technically NPL and PL (SCCL) are not viewed as one being over the other as far as I can tell from the US Club Site. NPL is older but was always a 8 Game season, and now going to full Fall Spring season. PL was created on the NPL platform with the goal of having less travel time between league members. So if you look at the NPL league Forsyth will be in they have clubs in Knoxville (1 team - 4 hour drive), Raleigh (3 teams - 5.5 hour drive), Mt Pleasant SC (1 team - 5 hour drive), Chattanooga, Charolotte (3 teams - 3 hour drive) and 3 clubs in Atlanta. Drive times to Teams in SCCL are shorter. Birmingham (2 teams - 2.5 hour drive - teams will play both Birmingham teams in a single weekend) and Spartanburg/Greenberg (1 team - 2.5 drive), 5 teams in Atlanta. Supposedly there will be 4 possible teams added next year but other than possible AFU, I have not heard where others will be located. I was told that If DA for an age group is at Fowler, then SCCL would be at Norcross. If DA is out of Norcross, then SCCL is out of Forsyth. I was also told for u13 group that to be a DP or have a path to DA you have to go through SCCL. As for Milton, Mountains etc. I assume they will play Classic. **All my info is for boys. I have no clue on girls side. Forsyth will play NPL Norcross will play SCCL
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Post by SoccerMom on May 7, 2018 17:26:35 GMT -5
I'm speaking from the girls side - At UFA, the top team across the entire club will be DA. Which as we all know is run out of Fowler/Forsyth. Norcross will get the CL. UFA is also an NPL member and will field an NPL team too. NPL will be run out of Fowler. What's supposed to happen is the club is supposed to push CL as the next level from DA. So if a player lives in-between Fowler/Norcross, she's supposed to be pushed to CL. However, the reality is quite a few players live and play out of Fowler. They have the numbers to field another team which will make up the NPL team. At the same time, the club doesn't want a player who would prefer to play out of Fowler, leaving because their only option is DA or bust. So NPL is supposed to appease those, that way they stay at the club and get another bite out of the DA apple. FG - curious about your statement that SCCL is supposed to be considered 2nd behind DA, when NPL is already at UFA. NPL is more regional and, I hate to sound like a broken record, it’s a qualifying league for the ENPL. Maybe more news is to follow. NPL is above SCCL at UFA. I have seen the pyramid 1. DA 2. NPL 3. SCCL 4. Select 5. Rec
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Post by Soccerhouse on May 7, 2018 17:39:24 GMT -5
Same pyramid
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Post by Futsal Gawdess on May 7, 2018 17:47:29 GMT -5
I'm speaking from the girls side - At UFA, the top team across the entire club will be DA. Which as we all know is run out of Fowler/Forsyth. Norcross will get the CL. UFA is also an NPL member and will field an NPL team too. NPL will be run out of Fowler. What's supposed to happen is the club is supposed to push CL as the next level from DA. So if a player lives in-between Fowler/Norcross, she's supposed to be pushed to CL. However, the reality is quite a few players live and play out of Fowler. They have the numbers to field another team which will make up the NPL team. At the same time, the club doesn't want a player who would prefer to play out of Fowler, leaving because their only option is DA or bust. So NPL is supposed to appease those, that way they stay at the club and get another bite out of the DA apple. FG - curious about your statement that SCCL is supposed to be considered 2nd behind DA, when NPL is already at UFA. NPL is more regional and, I hate to sound like a broken record, it’s a qualifying league for the ENPL. Maybe more news is to follow. Sorry for sharing wrong info in regards to SCCL being over NPL. Got it from my nieces coach and didn't bother to get a second opinion before sharing. Won't happen again but yes you are all right that NPL will be higher than SCCL based on the Pyramid UFA created for clarity.
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Post by infoguy on May 7, 2018 18:04:41 GMT -5
FG - curious about your statement that SCCL is supposed to be considered 2nd behind DA, when NPL is already at UFA. NPL is more regional and, I hate to sound like a broken record, it’s a qualifying league for the ENPL. Maybe more news is to follow. Sorry for sharing wrong info in regards to SCCL being over NPL. Got it from my nieces coach and didn't bother to get a second opinion before sharing. Won't happen again but yes you are all right that NPL will be higher than SCCL based on the Pyramid UFA created for clarity. No worries.
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Post by footballer on May 8, 2018 1:06:28 GMT -5
I'm not sure why people were doubting and bashing SOURCE and georgiasoccer411 but they were being real about the situation. With much of the info now out, their stories check out for the most part. SCCL is just an overhyped classic 2 or 3 league. The idea is great but it's just another money grab at this moment. They could have hired a good consulting team to materialize this idea Epic but nope. Not in a mood to write all the things that could be done better with this league. Go and read some of the previous posts on this topic. Just another hustle, heck, even the sccl logo looks like a joke. Ga soccer, and non-SCCL clubs should come out winning in this. message for gasoccer : organize better and reduce travel, stop being greedy message for big 5: organize better, stop being greedy and hire real football people. example AU is doing great because AB hired Tata, Tony etc real football people. They even invested in a nice training facility and offer free development/training opportunity for their academy players
message to the forum: stop jumping on every new trend and being at the mercy of these organizations. There are much better topics to discuss with the state of soccer than sccl. for instance, we have "coaching crisis", promotion or relegation, pay to play, Government soccer funding, soccer fields and facilities etc.
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Post by SoccerMom on May 8, 2018 5:23:21 GMT -5
I'm not sure why people were doubting and bashing SOURCE and georgiasoccer411 but they were being real about the situation. With much of the info now out, their stories check out for the most part. SCCL is just an overhyped classic 2 or 3 league. The idea is great but it's just another money grab at this moment. They could have hired a good consulting team to materialize this idea Epic but nope. Not in a mood to write all the things that could be done better with this league. Go and read some of the previous posts on this topic. Just another hustle, heck, even the sccl logo looks like a joke. Ga soccer, and non-SCCL clubs should come out winning in this. message for gasoccer : organize better and reduce travel, stop being greedy message for big 5: organize better, stop being greedy and hire real football people. example AU is doing great because AB hired Tata, Tony etc real football people. They even invested in a nice training facility and offer free development/training opportunity for their academy players message to the forum: stop jumping on every new trend and being at the mercy of these organizations. There are much better topics to discuss with the state of soccer than sccl. for instance, we have "coaching crisis", promotion or relegation, pay to play, Government soccer funding, soccer fields and facilities etc. I doubt you will be seeing SOURCE around here for a while. Maybe he or she will just change their name again (bigdawg before). If the new league works for your kid, play there. If it doesn't, then don't. Its a big soccer world out there full of options so pick which one you like. No need to bash anyone for picking one or the other.
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Post by georgiasoccer411 on May 8, 2018 5:52:49 GMT -5
I'm not sure why people were doubting and bashing SOURCE and georgiasoccer411 but they were being real about the situation. With much of the info now out, their stories check out for the most part. SCCL is just an overhyped classic 2 or 3 league. The idea is great but it's just another money grab at this moment. They could have hired a good consulting team to materialize this idea Epic but nope. Not in a mood to write all the things that could be done better with this league. Go and read some of the previous posts on this topic. Just another hustle, heck, even the sccl logo looks like a joke. Ga soccer, and non-SCCL clubs should come out winning in this. message for gasoccer : organize better and reduce travel, stop being greedy message for big 5: organize better, stop being greedy and hire real football people. example AU is doing great because AB hired Tata, Tony etc real football people. They even invested in a nice training facility and offer free development/training opportunity for their academy players message to the forum: stop jumping on every new trend and being at the mercy of these organizations. There are much better topics to discuss with the state of soccer than sccl. for instance, we have "coaching crisis", promotion or relegation, pay to play, Government soccer funding, soccer fields and facilities etc. I am surprised that the Big 5 are not being more forthcoming on the level/type of teams that they are placing in the SCCL divisions.
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Post by soccerfutbolfam on May 8, 2018 6:48:35 GMT -5
I'm not sure why people were doubting and bashing SOURCE and georgiasoccer411 but they were being real about the situation. With much of the info now out, their stories check out for the most part. SCCL is just an overhyped classic 2 or 3 league. The idea is great but it's just another money grab at this moment. They could have hired a good consulting team to materialize this idea Epic but nope. Not in a mood to write all the things that could be done better with this league. Go and read some of the previous posts on this topic. Just another hustle, heck, even the sccl logo looks like a joke. Ga soccer, and non-SCCL clubs should come out winning in this. message for gasoccer : organize better and reduce travel, stop being greedy message for big 5: organize better, stop being greedy and hire real football people. example AU is doing great because AB hired Tata, Tony etc real football people. They even invested in a nice training facility and offer free development/training opportunity for their academy players message to the forum: stop jumping on every new trend and being at the mercy of these organizations. There are much better topics to discuss with the state of soccer than sccl. for instance, we have "coaching crisis", promotion or relegation, pay to play, Government soccer funding, soccer fields and facilities etc. I am surprised that the Big 5 are not being more forthcoming on the level/type of teams that they are placing in the SCCL divisions. I would 'hope' the teams that won their divisions would be top selections for the teams... and then for the teams who were close. Either way, it 'should' be the kids who are possibly on the bubble for the highest levels at their clubs. IMHO, but I'm just a parent.
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Post by TheMadOx on May 8, 2018 7:01:35 GMT -5
I'm surprised SCCL clubs don't hold tryouts a week early.. and really open things up. I think the intent will to be a week earlier next year...I think one of the big 5 had a major tournament they were taking their club to...the tryouts are going to be starting Monday before the GA soccer tryouts. So, they will have a 1 day head start!
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Post by infoguy on May 8, 2018 8:06:25 GMT -5
I'm not sure why people were doubting and bashing SOURCE and georgiasoccer411 but they were being real about the situation. With much of the info now out, their stories check out for the most part. SCCL is just an overhyped classic 2 or 3 league. The idea is great but it's just another money grab at this moment. They could have hired a good consulting team to materialize this idea Epic but nope. Not in a mood to write all the things that could be done better with this league. Go and read some of the previous posts on this topic. Just another hustle, heck, even the sccl logo looks like a joke. Ga soccer, and non-SCCL clubs should come out winning in this. message for gasoccer : organize better and reduce travel, stop being greedy message for big 5: organize better, stop being greedy and hire real football people. example AU is doing great because AB hired Tata, Tony etc real football people. They even invested in a nice training facility and offer free development/training opportunity for their academy players message to the forum: stop jumping on every new trend and being at the mercy of these organizations. There are much better topics to discuss with the state of soccer than sccl. for instance, we have "coaching crisis", promotion or relegation, pay to play, Government soccer funding, soccer fields and facilities etc. I am surprised that the Big 5 are not being more forthcoming on the level/type of teams that they are placing in the SCCL divisions. SSA's pyramid states that the top team is NPL (assuming no DA at that age):
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Post by girlcoach on May 8, 2018 11:25:47 GMT -5
I'm not sure why people were doubting and bashing SOURCE and georgiasoccer411 but they were being real about the situation. With much of the info now out, their stories check out for the most part. SCCL is just an overhyped classic 2 or 3 league. The idea is great but it's just another money grab at this moment. They could have hired a good consulting team to materialize this idea Epic but nope. Not in a mood to write all the things that could be done better with this league. Go and read some of the previous posts on this topic. Just another hustle, heck, even the sccl logo looks like a joke. Ga soccer, and non-SCCL clubs should come out winning in this. message for gasoccer : organize better and reduce travel, stop being greedy message for big 5: organize better, stop being greedy and hire real football people. example AU is doing great because AB hired Tata, Tony etc real football people. They even invested in a nice training facility and offer free development/training opportunity for their academy players message to the forum: stop jumping on every new trend and being at the mercy of these organizations. There are much better topics to discuss with the state of soccer than sccl. for instance, we have "coaching crisis", promotion or relegation, pay to play, Government soccer funding, soccer fields and facilities etc. I don't see why this league should be "overhyped classic 2 or 3". The level of play should be better than Classic 1/Athena A. The clubs created this league because they were dissatisfied with the organization and travel of SRPL and think they can do better. It is a low bar to beat. I am not associated with one of those clubs but it seems to me they might be very successful with a strong possibility to add a second division next year and a considerable threat to the smaller Atlanta based clubs. I will give examples from the division I am most familiar with, rising U16G Athena A. That division included teams from Savannah, Macon, Tifton, Columbus and Augusta, so travel was very bad for Atlanta teams. Teams now associated with the big 5 finished first, second, third, fifth and eighth. I imagine most parents from those teams are hoping their daughter plays SSCL rather than Athena A or NL this year. If SSCL is successful, my guess is the lower level teams from those clubs, and players from the smaller Atlanta clubs playing Athena A or B will be looking to join next year.
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Post by soccerlegacy on May 8, 2018 12:37:29 GMT -5
I'm not sure why people were doubting and bashing SOURCE and georgiasoccer411 but they were being real about the situation. With much of the info now out, their stories check out for the most part. SCCL is just an overhyped classic 2 or 3 league. The idea is great but it's just another money grab at this moment. They could have hired a good consulting team to materialize this idea Epic but nope. Not in a mood to write all the things that could be done better with this league. Go and read some of the previous posts on this topic. Just another hustle, heck, even the sccl logo looks like a joke. Ga soccer, and non-SCCL clubs should come out winning in this. message for gasoccer : organize better and reduce travel, stop being greedy message for big 5: organize better, stop being greedy and hire real football people. example AU is doing great because AB hired Tata, Tony etc real football people. They even invested in a nice training facility and offer free development/training opportunity for their academy players message to the forum: stop jumping on every new trend and being at the mercy of these organizations. There are much better topics to discuss with the state of soccer than sccl. for instance, we have "coaching crisis", promotion or relegation, pay to play, Government soccer funding, soccer fields and facilities etc. I don't see why this league should be "overhyped classic 2 or 3". The level of play should be better than Classic 1/Athena A. The clubs created this league because they were dissatisfied with the organization and travel of SRPL and think they can do better. It is a low bar to beat. I am not associated with one of those clubs but it seems to me they might be very successful with a strong possibility to add a second division next year and a considerable threat to the smaller Atlanta based clubs. I will give examples from the division I am most familiar with, rising U16G Athena A. That division included teams from Savannah, Macon, Tifton, Columbus and Augusta, so travel was very bad for Atlanta teams. Teams now associated with the big 5 finished first, second, third, fifth and eighth. I imagine most parents from those teams are hoping their daughter plays SSCL rather than Athena A or NL this year. If SSCL is successful, my guess is the lower level teams from those clubs, and players from the smaller Atlanta clubs playing Athena A or B will be looking to join next year. I see that was your first post... nice to see someone new joining in! Just wanted to speak to your last point. Being that the SCCL is already a 3rd tier/4th tier in the pyrimad for some clubs, I wonder if the players (or their parents) from those smaller clubs that are playing Athena A or B would be able to justify driving longer distances to practices for the sake of making a lower tier team? Or would the vacant RPL spots left behind by those big 5 teams, which will now be there for the taking by the smaller clubs.. would make a move to one of the big 5 clubs less likely? It is a sh*t show for sure, curious (and a litle affraid) to see the all the happenings this tryout season.
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Post by ga3v3 on May 8, 2018 12:39:13 GMT -5
I'm not sure why people were doubting and bashing SOURCE and georgiasoccer411 but they were being real about the situation. With much of the info now out, their stories check out for the most part. SCCL is just an overhyped classic 2 or 3 league. The idea is great but it's just another money grab at this moment. They could have hired a good consulting team to materialize this idea Epic but nope. Not in a mood to write all the things that could be done better with this league. Go and read some of the previous posts on this topic. Just another hustle, heck, even the sccl logo looks like a joke. Ga soccer, and non-SCCL clubs should come out winning in this. message for gasoccer : organize better and reduce travel, stop being greedy message for big 5: organize better, stop being greedy and hire real football people. example AU is doing great because AB hired Tata, Tony etc real football people. They even invested in a nice training facility and offer free development/training opportunity for their academy players message to the forum: stop jumping on every new trend and being at the mercy of these organizations. There are much better topics to discuss with the state of soccer than sccl. for instance, we have "coaching crisis", promotion or relegation, pay to play, Governmentsoccer funding, soccer fields and facilities etc. I don't see why this league should be "overhyped classic 2 or 3". The level of play should be better than Classic 1/Athena A. The clubs created this league because they were dissatisfied with the organization and travel of SRPL and think they can do better. It is a low bar to beat. I am not associated with one of those clubs but it seems to me they might be very successful with a strong possibility to add a second division next year and a considerable threat to the smaller Atlanta based clubs. I will give examples from the division I am most familiar with, rising U16G Athena A. That division included teams from Savannah, Macon, Tifton, Columbus and Augusta, so travel was very bad for Atlanta teams. Teams now associated with the big 5 finished first, second, third, fifth and eighth. I imagine most parents from those teams are hoping their daughter plays SSCL rather than Athena A or NL this year. If SSCL is successful, my guess is the lower level teams from those clubs, and players from the smaller Atlanta clubs playing Athena A or B will be looking to join next year. So somewhat the opposite in the age group I'm most familiar with- U13(05) CL1. SCCL would be closer to a mix between mid level classic 1 teams and upper level classic 2 teams and no where near as competitive as the teams that are in RPL or the top of CL1. I don't see any impact to the Piedmont Conference or NL. There will be a dilution of talent at the CL 1 level however, as the teams from UFA and Concorde are solid, well coached teams and offer good competition. Both CL1 and SCCL will probably both be very similar in competition level next year with the movement of teams into and out of CL1. I would guess that many top players (that cant make a DA team) on both the BIG 5s teams and the smaller teams left in CL1 will be looking to move to a NL or Piedmont Conference team once tryouts come. Cl1 and SCCL will end up with the rest. I'm guessing the competitiveness of each age group will be different during the first year or two though based on comments ive heard here and elsewhere. I think the question is what direction players will migrate over time- clubs that offer a pathway to the NL through promotion and regional conferences or the SCCL clubs if their competition level becomes higher.
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Post by ga3v3 on May 8, 2018 12:48:58 GMT -5
In addition, I think that the NL and PC will become more competitive simply by GA Soccer implementing the new team continuity policy of 11 players must stay on the roster year to year in order for the team to remain in the conference. In my opinion this is the most important issue that was voted on last month.
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Post by infoguy on May 8, 2018 13:11:37 GMT -5
In addition, I think that the NL and PC will become more competitive simply by GA Soccer implementing the new team continuity policy of 11 players must stay on the roster year to year in order for the team to remain in the conference. In my opinion this is the most important issue that was voted on last month. After what has happened, if they have ignored this policy in the past, they will surely not go with roster continuity this year.
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Post by tm02g on May 8, 2018 13:12:01 GMT -5
I'm not sure why people were doubting and bashing SOURCE and georgiasoccer411 but they were being real about the situation. With much of the info now out, their stories check out for the most part. SCCL is just an overhyped classic 2 or 3 league. The idea is great but it's just another money grab at this moment. They could have hired a good consulting team to materialize this idea Epic but nope. Not in a mood to write all the things that could be done better with this league. Go and read some of the previous posts on this topic. Just another hustle, heck, even the sccl logo looks like a joke. Ga soccer, and non-SCCL clubs should come out winning in this. message for gasoccer : organize better and reduce travel, stop being greedy message for big 5: organize better, stop being greedy and hire real football people. example AU is doing great because AB hired Tata, Tony etc real football people. They even invested in a nice training facility and offer free development/training opportunity for their academy players message to the forum: stop jumping on every new trend and being at the mercy of these organizations. There are much better topics to discuss with the state of soccer than sccl. for instance, we have "coaching crisis", promotion or relegation, pay to play, Government soccer funding, soccer fields and facilities etc. I don't see why this league should be "overhyped classic 2 or 3". The level of play should be better than Classic 1/Athena A. The clubs created this league because they were dissatisfied with the organization and travel of SRPL and think they can do better. It is a low bar to beat. I am not associated with one of those clubs but it seems to me they might be very successful with a strong possibility to add a second division next year and a considerable threat to the smaller Atlanta based clubs. I will give examples from the division I am most familiar with, rising U16G Athena A. That division included teams from Savannah, Macon, Tifton, Columbus and Augusta, so travel was very bad for Atlanta teams. Teams now associated with the big 5 finished first, second, third, fifth and eighth. I imagine most parents from those teams are hoping their daughter plays SSCL rather than Athena A or NL this year. If SSCL is successful, my guess is the lower level teams from those clubs, and players from the smaller Atlanta clubs playing Athena A or B will be looking to join next year. With regards to the U15G Athena A group...if Lanier Sharks is only in a strategic alliance with TopHat, will their teams be eligible for SCCL under the alliance since they are not actually TopHat? Also, do not forget about the existing RPL/SRPL teams. Seems like it will be hard to predict what the level of skill in SCCL will be. Since SCCL is a club run league, won't it be dependent on what teams each club fields and on tryout results? If NPL is a meant as a replacement for SRPL and SCCL is meant as a replacement to RPL and if the Big 5 use Fall 2017 results as part of their basis for making decisions, then the Big 5 would more likely make the following placements for those 03 teams: NPL: UFA Forsyth 03G Premier (6th SRPL); AFC Lightning 03 Gold NP (Not Big 5 but 1st in RPL and under old system would be promoted to SRPL and AFC Lightning has NPL and does not qualify for the waiver under Georgia Soccer for next fall) SCCL: NTH Tophat 03 Gold (9th SRPL - would have been demoted to RPL under old system); UFA Norcross 03G Premier (3rd RPL); Concorde Fire Central Elite 03 (1st Athena A); Lanier Sharks 03 (2nd Athena A - if strategic alliance means eligibility) Under the old system, SSA Chelsea 03 Elite (3rd Athena A); UFA Forsyth 03G Red (5th Athena A); SSA Savannah United 03 Premier (6th Athena A); GSA South 03G Premier (8th Athena A) and UFA South 03G Premier (10th Athena A) would not have been promoted to RPL. But in the SCCL, the clubs to determine which teams so who knows? In the age group above, this past season's U16G Athena A (rising U17), the fall results with regards to Big 5 were: 1st - UFA 02G Red 4th - SSA Chelsea 02G Select Yellow 5th - NTH TopHat 02 White TH 10th GSA North 02G Red 11th Concorde Fire Central Black 12th SSA Chelsea Coastal 02G Select Silver 13th UFA 02G Gold If the Big 5 use Fall 2017 results as part of their basis for making decisions for this group, then the Big 5 would more likely make the following placements: NPL: UFA Forsyth 02G Premier (1st SRPL); SSA Savannah United (1st RPL) SCCL: NTH Tophat 2002 Navy (7th SRPL - would have been demoted to RPL under old system); Concorde Fire Central Elite (9th SRPL - would have been demoted to RPL under old system); GSA North 02G Premier (5th RPL); UFA Forsyth 02G Red (1st Athena A - would have been promoted to RPL under old system). Based on the info UFA released, UFA Forsyth 02G Red cannot remain named UFA Forsyth 02G Red and be in SCCL as only Premier teams compete at SCCL and NPL level...which is probably why you see a split of NPL and SCCL between UFA Forsyth and UFA Norcross because otherwise you would have two Premier teams at Forsyth. Maybe UFA could just change their naming convention?...but that raises the question of whether the Big 5 can field more than one team in an age group in the SCCL or NPL? Edit: I just saw in the SCCL press release - "The new club-centric league will initially be comprised of one team per gender per age group from 12U-19U in the 2018-19 year." Questions, questions...
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Post by alacrity174 on May 8, 2018 13:49:42 GMT -5
Good catch with the u12 --- yikes, 11v11? And vestavia and busa will be sending their top boys teams to this league at all ages? They don't have boys ecnl right? BUSA has boys ECNL, Vestavia nope.
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Post by ga3v3 on May 8, 2018 14:07:23 GMT -5
In addition, I think that the NL and PC will become more competitive simply by GA Soccer implementing the new team continuity policy of 11 players must stay on the roster year to year in order for the team to remain in the conference. In my opinion this is the most important issue that was voted on last month. After what has happened, if they have ignored this policy in the past, they will surely not go with roster continuity this year. I agree skepticism is warranted but I have been told directly by the NL Ga rep that this will be used in determining placement at the beginning of each season. There will be no more application process like RPL had in the past, now each spot and promotion will be earned solely on the criteria set forth.
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Post by petrcechitout on May 8, 2018 14:16:28 GMT -5
I can only speak about the Girls side, since everything has changed in the last few years after my son played. After watching the SRPL league this year, I believe the SCCL Teams should be better than most of the local RPL teams in the region. Of course, there will always be a club that has one or two really good teams at specific age groups such as the SSA 05 Team this year or the Tophat 04 team last year but at the end of the day, no club seems to keep the majority of a team together for the sake of keeping them together. They consistently try to select the best girls possible and put them on a team and expect chemistry to happen. The reason some of these teams are so good is because of their chemistry together, not because they have the best players.
The Big 5 will try to put their best Team at each level (DA,ECNL.SCCL), especially the SCCL team because it is a new league run by the clubs. Most people like to see competitive teams at every at age level for that skill set. I don't care if it is DA, ECNL, SCCL or Athena because who wants to travel to Florida or the next town over and win or lose 10-0. DA Teams & ECNL Teams are supposed to be quality teams out of the gate and when those teams are bad it impacts the integrity of the league and the club.
Just my 2 cents :-)
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