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Post by atlsoccer on May 10, 2018 11:25:34 GMT -5
I am one of those crazy parents willing to drive my kids all around town for soccer. At the end of each year, we have a discussion about how the year went, the pros and cons of the different teams/clubs and what we will consider for the following season. While it has lead to one really difficult year for my wife and I travel-wise, it has normally worked out well. It also gives our children a chance to see how complex decisions can be and learn how that decision affects the rest of the family.
With that said, everyone seems to have agreed at some point that Concorde has given up DA over the last week or two. But no one has been able to say why, if it was just for girls or boys or both. Explain why they would do that without being given (or if they were given) an extra ECNL slot for the decision. Does anyone have any evidence to back up these claims that DA is gone at Concorde?
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Post by Soccerhouse on May 10, 2018 12:16:54 GMT -5
I've only heard 2nd hand, what people have said from team meetings etc. I have not heard anything directly from a Concorde person.
Still shocking. So 2 of the top 3 teams in the southeast, will never play each other again after this season -- Tophat and Concorde. Wow, that is freaking crazy, when you think about it and summarizes the problem with youth soccer in this country.
GDA Southeast Division u15s - tophat 1, concorde 2 u17s - tophat 1, concorde 3 u19s - tophat 2, concorde 3
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Post by georgiasoccer411 on May 10, 2018 12:36:02 GMT -5
I am one of those crazy parents willing to drive my kids all around town for soccer. At the end of each year, we have a discussion about how the year went, the pros and cons of the different teams/clubs and what we will consider for the following season. While it has lead to one really difficult year for my wife and I travel-wise, it has normally worked out well. It also gives our children a chance to see how complex decisions can be and learn how that decision affects the rest of the family. With that said, everyone seems to have agreed at some point that Concorde has given up DA over the last week or two. But no one has been able to say why, if it was just for girls or boys or both. Explain why they would do that without being given (or if they were given) an extra ECNL slot for the decision. Does anyone have any evidence to back up these claims that DA is gone at Concorde? Normally in youth soccer where there’s smoke there’s fire, but the very lack of denial by Concorde makes it most likely to be true. It’s tryout season. If it was false then Concorde would have moved quickly to call it BS. They haven’t said a word so that makes it most likely true.
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Post by atlsoccer on May 10, 2018 12:59:55 GMT -5
I am one of those crazy parents willing to drive my kids all around town for soccer. At the end of each year, we have a discussion about how the year went, the pros and cons of the different teams/clubs and what we will consider for the following season. While it has lead to one really difficult year for my wife and I travel-wise, it has normally worked out well. It also gives our children a chance to see how complex decisions can be and learn how that decision affects the rest of the family. With that said, everyone seems to have agreed at some point that Concorde has given up DA over the last week or two. But no one has been able to say why, if it was just for girls or boys or both. Explain why they would do that without being given (or if they were given) an extra ECNL slot for the decision. Does anyone have any evidence to back up these claims that DA is gone at Concorde? Normally in youth soccer where there’s smoke there’s fire, but the very lack of denial by Concorde makes it most likely to be true. It’s tryout season. If it was false then Concorde would have moved quickly to call it BS. They haven’t said a word so that makes it most likely true. I see your point and agree all the rumors had to have come from somewhere. However, rather than concluding that Concorde 100% did drop DA, I assume that the rumors were started because they were/are really considering dropping DA. Wouldn't that also be a reason they would not come out a deny the rumors? You all may be correct and there is definitely evidence that dropping DA is a possibility, but I haven't heard anything that convinces me it is a done deal, yet...
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Post by sidenetting on May 10, 2018 13:07:08 GMT -5
I am one of those crazy parents willing to drive my kids all around town for soccer. At the end of each year, we have a discussion about how the year went, the pros and cons of the different teams/clubs and what we will consider for the following season. While it has lead to one really difficult year for my wife and I travel-wise, it has normally worked out well. It also gives our children a chance to see how complex decisions can be and learn how that decision affects the rest of the family. With that said, everyone seems to have agreed at some point that Concorde has given up DA over the last week or two. But no one has been able to say why, if it was just for girls or boys or both. Explain why they would do that without being given (or if they were given) an extra ECNL slot for the decision. Does anyone have any evidence to back up these claims that DA is gone at Concorde? Yes, Concorde did give up girls DA. No evidence from the club (yet, but it is TRUE) I know parents on both Concorde ECNL and DA Teams.....So, Concorde gave up DA because they were getting pressure from ECNL. Basically at the U14 age group and up ECNL is the second tier team compared to DA. Concorde did not place high enough in the ECNL rankings which prompted ECNL to tell Concorde that they need to choose. ECNL was a business choice because of the constraints that DA puts on clubs and DA can basically kick you out anytime they want. The 2 team deal comes into play so ECNL has a product to rival DA Hence your 6mth track ( 2nd team) and 10mth track (more like DA season). You keep 2 ecnl teams you have more spots at a higher level than lets say Athena, the new SCCL or whatever they are calling it and you can at least retain some of the higher level players.....News Flash......I think another big club will be doing the same thing Next year. If you really think about it the clubs that have ECNL and DA will be putting 2nd teams in ECNL and playing every other clubs first team next season and will probably be doing the same thing CF had to do right now. Hope that anwers your question sometimes I ramble
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Post by SoccerMom on May 10, 2018 13:14:24 GMT -5
I heard official announcement will be this week
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Post by atlsoccer on May 10, 2018 13:25:21 GMT -5
I am one of those crazy parents willing to drive my kids all around town for soccer. At the end of each year, we have a discussion about how the year went, the pros and cons of the different teams/clubs and what we will consider for the following season. While it has lead to one really difficult year for my wife and I travel-wise, it has normally worked out well. It also gives our children a chance to see how complex decisions can be and learn how that decision affects the rest of the family. With that said, everyone seems to have agreed at some point that Concorde has given up DA over the last week or two. But no one has been able to say why, if it was just for girls or boys or both. Explain why they would do that without being given (or if they were given) an extra ECNL slot for the decision. Does anyone have any evidence to back up these claims that DA is gone at Concorde? Yes, Concorde did give up girls DA. No evidence from the club (yet, but it is TRUE) I know parents on both Concorde ECNL and DA Teams.....So, Concorde gave up DA because they were getting pressure from ECNL. Basically at the U14 age group and up ECNL is the second tier team compared to DA. Concorde did not place high enough in the ECNL rankings which prompted ECNL to tell Concorde that they need to choose. ECNL was a business choice because of the constraints that DA puts on clubs and DA can basically kick you out anytime they want. The 2 team deal comes into play so ECNL has a product to rival DA Hence your 6mth track ( 2nd team) and 10mth track (more like DA season). You keep 2 ecnl teams you have more spots at a higher level than lets say Athena, the new SCCL or whatever they are calling it and you can at least retain some of the higher level players.....News Flash......I think another big club will be doing the same thing Next year. If you really think about it the clubs that have ECNL and DA will be putting 2nd teams in ECNL and playing every other clubs first team next season and will probably be doing the same thing CF had to do right now. Hope that anwers your question sometimes I ramble Thank you! A lot of this makes sense and I've heard similar things. I just have a couple of things I am not sure that 100% line up. - ECNL is making Concorde choose because their second teams did not do well enough in ECNL this last year. But is going to allow Concorde to have 2 ECNL teams next year? I imagine Concorde would lose at least 2-4 of their top DA players for each team, which makes the second team (that already didn't do well enough according to ECNL) even weaker. - If Concorde didn't lose DA and is giving up instead, I can't imagine why they would do it this year. I know it cost more money, but it seems like the writing is on the wall. Everyone things Tophat will do the same thing next year. Wouldn't you want to try and do it at the same time or even after. That way you don't lose your top players to Tophat, who may have to do the same thing the next season? I just can't wrap my mind around it. Maybe its just a me problem or maybe it just isn't logical? Most likely, there are just other factors that we don't know about. Regardless, this could be a big loss for their club.
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Post by georgiasoccer411 on May 10, 2018 13:37:04 GMT -5
Yes, Concorde did give up girls DA. No evidence from the club (yet, but it is TRUE) I know parents on both Concorde ECNL and DA Teams.....So, Concorde gave up DA because they were getting pressure from ECNL. Basically at the U14 age group and up ECNL is the second tier team compared to DA. Concorde did not place high enough in the ECNL rankings which prompted ECNL to tell Concorde that they need to choose. ECNL was a business choice because of the constraints that DA puts on clubs and DA can basically kick you out anytime they want. The 2 team deal comes into play so ECNL has a product to rival DA Hence your 6mth track ( 2nd team) and 10mth track (more like DA season). You keep 2 ecnl teams you have more spots at a higher level than lets say Athena, the new SCCL or whatever they are calling it and you can at least retain some of the higher level players.....News Flash......I think another big club will be doing the same thing Next year. If you really think about it the clubs that have ECNL and DA will be putting 2nd teams in ECNL and playing every other clubs first team next season and will probably be doing the same thing CF had to do right now. Hope that anwers your question sometimes I ramble Thank you! A lot of this makes sense and I've heard similar things. I just have a couple of things I am not sure that 100% line up. - ECNL is making Concorde choose because their second teams did not do well enough in ECNL this last year. But is going to allow Concorde to have 2 ECNL teams next year? I imagine Concorde would lose at least 2-4 of their top DA players for each team, which makes the second team (that already didn't do well enough according to ECNL) even weaker. - If Concorde didn't lose DA and is giving up instead, I can't imagine why they would do it this year. I know it cost more money, but it seems like the writing is on the wall. Everyone things Tophat will do the same thing next year. Wouldn't you want to try and do it at the same time or even after. That way you don't lose your top players to Tophat, who may have to do the same thing the next season? I just can't wrap my mind around it. Maybe its just a me problem or maybe it just isn't logical? Most likely, there are just other factors that we don't know about. Regardless, this could be a big loss for their club. Huge losses. NTH and UFA licking their chops. But to be fair, Concorde has been stealing their players for decades, so it’s only fair.
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Post by fridge on May 10, 2018 13:42:16 GMT -5
Based on all I have heard from high levels in the club, CF GDA is done. CF will get two teams in ECNL for the next couple of years so they don't have to cut any ecnl kids after GDA kids drop down. I highly doubt there will be much if any movement from CF GDA kids in the 01, 02 and 03 age groups. 100% of the class of 2019 00/01s are committed heading into their sr year and 75% of the class of 2020 (01s/02s) are committed. And so, they have no reason to switch clubs as those ECNL teams will be really strong next year. I think we are all in concurrence that w/ top clubs like Hawks, Eclipse, PDA, etc all-in on ECNL, it is now hard to argue which is better--DA or ECNL. If I had an 04 or later, that may be a little tougher question especially if you think the federation has the resources to win in the "long" run. So far, however, it seems that ECNL is outmaneuvering DA (or perhaps better to say that DA's hubris prevents it from making ECNL irrelevant). Read more: gasoccerforum.com/thread/2961/concorde-sccl#ixzz5F7qy4kM1
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Post by aliensource on May 10, 2018 13:42:50 GMT -5
I think it will happen too BUT technically there is no "evidence". It's all hearsay and conjecture. There is a promotion relegation ecnl a B Team structure in the works that I read about on the Michigan Hawks website.
I shared that with a CF coach and he said it was more than he knows about how ECNL is dealing with A and B Teams and then he called me Sherlock Holmes.
Do I think it will happenc? Yes. Do I think it could stay the same one more year? Yes. Is there any communication coming from the top to the bottom of Concorde fire coaches and parents? No.
Does the fish stink from the head back?
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Post by randomsoccerparent on May 10, 2018 15:48:13 GMT -5
What about boys DA and ECNL at Concorde? Are they keeping both?
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Post by georgiasoccer411 on May 10, 2018 16:13:01 GMT -5
What about boys DA and ECNL at Concorde? Are they keeping both? My deep throat source from within CF’s coaching ranks just told me it’s not gone yet but it will be.
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Post by soccerfanga on May 10, 2018 16:44:41 GMT -5
So the next question is will GDA "highly recommend" CF NT players relocate to GDA club because TH and UFA are in the area? Their are at least 5 in CF DA currently.
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Post by cleansheet on May 10, 2018 18:40:12 GMT -5
What about boys DA and ECNL at Concorde? Are they keeping both? Boys DA at CF is also a dead man walking. Maybe another couple of years. There’s some struggles between GB and DA.
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Post by SoccerMom on May 10, 2018 19:44:20 GMT -5
Until there's an announcement, then we have to assume despite the rumors that CF still has GDA. If a decision had been made to be "all in", then US Club would want to issue a press release as soon as possible.
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Post by Futsal Gawdess on May 10, 2018 19:47:30 GMT -5
Excuse my ignorance but when US Club says all-in don't they mean all as in everything, aka no DA? What about the boys DA program? Are they still all-in if the keep boys DA?
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Post by Futsal Gawdess on May 10, 2018 19:49:11 GMT -5
What about boys DA and ECNL at Concorde? Are they keeping both? Boys DA at CF is also a dead man walking. Maybe another couple of years. There’s some struggles between GB and DA. I know the last couple of years there have been issues with CF meeting the mandates of the US Soccer Federation. There was real talk of it being taken away. Maybe this is GB's way of sticking it to the Federation
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Post by zizou on May 10, 2018 21:31:07 GMT -5
Excuse my ignorance but when US Club says all-in don't they mean all as in everything, aka no DA? What about the boys DA program? Are they still all-in if the keep boys DA? Just as a point of order. I believe ECNL is sanctioned by US Club, but ECNL is making their own policy decisions. I think. I don't think we can rightfully blame US Club for the "All In" campaign. I mention this because boys ECNL also may be an entity separate from girls ECNL, although both are sanctioned by US Club. Ergo, what one does has no effect on the actions and/or policies of the other. The attorneys and contract people will adjust by possibly sloppy thinking in 3, 2, 1 ...
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Post by jd on May 10, 2018 21:33:35 GMT -5
Confirmed from a Coach.
CONCORDE FIRE IS LOSING GIRLS DA - They won't communicate it to you until after tryouts.
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Post by soccerfan30 on May 10, 2018 22:08:54 GMT -5
I told everyone weeks ago CF was losing GDA, they were trying to hold off as long as possible in making it public.
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Post by SoccerMom on May 10, 2018 22:14:01 GMT -5
I have heard it for weeks too, but no way they wait until after tryouts.
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Post by footy on May 10, 2018 22:20:17 GMT -5
Seems unethical to wait until after tryouts to announce.
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Post by Soccerhouse on May 10, 2018 22:20:59 GMT -5
I told everyone weeks ago CF was losing GDA, they were trying to hold off as long as possible in making it public. soccerfan30 - losing or giving it away on their own?
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Post by SoccerMom on May 10, 2018 22:23:26 GMT -5
I told everyone weeks ago CF was losing GDA, they were trying to hold off as long as possible in making it public. soccerfan30 - losing or giving it away on their own? Forced to make a choice, either way it can't be an easy decision
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Post by Soccerhouse on May 10, 2018 22:24:56 GMT -5
Honestly - still shocked they are doing it. Shocked. Never would have guessed it to be honest. Pretty crazy actually.
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Post by footy on May 10, 2018 22:30:17 GMT -5
Why did the other all-in ECNL teams give up GDA? Concorde seems to be saying that DA costs too much money. Is that the common theme? If a club were simply looking out for the best interests of their players, it seems like they would want the highest level leagues possible, which I think most people would agree is DA. It seems like extortion that ECNL is "forcing" clubs to choose. I don't have a girl in DA though, so what do I know.
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Post by SoccerMom on May 10, 2018 22:56:24 GMT -5
Why did the other all-in ECNL teams give up GDA? Concorde seems to be saying that DA costs too much money. Is that the common theme? If a club were simply looking out for the best interests of their players, it seems like they would want the highest level leagues possible, which I think most people would agree is DA. It seems like extortion that ECNL is "forcing" clubs to choose. I don't have a girl in DA though, so what do I know. Its about control
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Post by zizou on May 10, 2018 23:11:50 GMT -5
Why did the other all-in ECNL teams give up GDA? Concorde seems to be saying that DA costs too much money. Is that the common theme? If a club were simply looking out for the best interests of their players, it seems like they would want the highest level leagues possible, which I think most people would agree is DA. It seems like extortion that ECNL is "forcing" clubs to choose. I don't have a girl in DA though, so what do I know. Why is it extortion? If you believe one league is the best, and you want the best, then you go that route. There is no choice. There is no consideration of pros and cons. It is clear. You find a way. Are you telling me Concorde hears threats from a lower league so they decide to give up the clearly top shelf for the lower league? I am having a hard time even wrapping my head around this concept. This probably has nothing to do with a clear hierarchy, is not entirely about money, and is probably a battle over control and will. These clubs could all tell ECNL to pound sand if they believed in the USSF philosophy. i
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Post by diceshooter on May 10, 2018 23:23:45 GMT -5
Why is DA the best? Just because they say so?
From my perspective, it makes sense to support ECNL if that is indeed what they plan to do. ECNL has been around for years, and has proven that it supports its member clubs and creates a ton of programming that is designed to be beneficial to its players development. U. S. Soccer has come in heavy-handed with DA and doesn't appear to care about the clubs, or even the players with its programming. It cares about its Youth National teams and its insular ranks of staff coaches and technical advisors.
Why would these clubs abandon ECNL, possibly allowing it to flounder or even fail, to go all in with high, mighty, and often flighty U. S. Soccer? What happens if U. S. Soccer changes its mind about your club in a few years?
Right now, ECNL is showing more responsiveness to the clubs and the players with scheduling flexibility and season options.
Anyone who has been paying attention recently has to be bothered by the lack of concern shown by U. S. Soccer towards the clubs, players, or parents. Age mandate, anyone? Some believe U. S. Soccer only cares about continuing to make money through S.U.M.
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Post by footy on May 11, 2018 6:49:15 GMT -5
diceshooter I called DA the highest level league since it is at the top of every hierarchy pyramid/food chain I have seen and I think it would be in the best interest of players to have as many offerings as possible. I get it if clubs choose not to offer everything whether it's due to finances, not enough players, etc. I just don't understand why ECNL is "making" clubs choose one or the other. How would it look if US Soccer "made" boys DA programs give up ECNL? Why is it OK to go one way but not the other? Similarly, why is the girls' group of 8 in Virginia allowed to play in their State Cup but SCCL in Georgia isn't? As someone who has kids in both the Big 5 and non-Big 5 and no stake in GDA or SCCL, the inconsistencies make no sense to me.
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