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Post by docnfulton on May 15, 2018 7:56:00 GMT -5
Feel free to fire away at any questions for an Age Group Coordinator. I'll do my best to answer from my point of view.
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Post by soccermaxx72 on May 15, 2018 8:24:13 GMT -5
Any idea how many Georgia Athena A clubs will be added to the different divisions of Girls National League, as an example currently only LSA 05 has qualified from Georgia
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Post by soccerdaddy on May 15, 2018 9:04:12 GMT -5
For all that you do, are you compensated by GA Soccer?
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Post by soccerfan30 on May 15, 2018 9:20:30 GMT -5
For all that you do, are you compensated by GA Soccer? I was a former AGC years ago, its strictly a volunteer position.
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Post by soccerdaddy on May 15, 2018 9:22:02 GMT -5
For all that you do, are you compensated by GA Soccer? I was a former AGC years ago, its strictly a volunteer position. Wow! Thank you for your services!!!!
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Post by sportsdad on May 15, 2018 9:37:34 GMT -5
Feel free to fire away at any questions for an Age Group Coordinator. I'll do my best to answer from my point of view. What exactly is your role and responsibility/areas of oversight as an AGC?
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Post by docnfulton on May 15, 2018 9:49:29 GMT -5
For all that you do, are you compensated by GA Soccer? No, we aren't compensated by Georgia Soccer. I have two age groups this Spring (approximately 190-200 teams).
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Post by docnfulton on May 15, 2018 9:50:41 GMT -5
Any idea how many Georgia Athena A clubs will be added to the different divisions of Girls National League, as an example currently only LSA 05 has qualified from Georgia I haven't focused much on the discussions other than the criteria are being defined for National League and the other Georgia Soccer affiliated programs.
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Post by docnfulton on May 15, 2018 9:56:46 GMT -5
Feel free to fire away at any questions for an Age Group Coordinator. I'll do my best to answer from my point of view. What exactly is your role and responsibility/areas of oversight as an AGC? Age Group Coordinator handles placement, schedule creation, and rescheduling coordination. Initial placement process basically is a draft created by the previous records, roster continuity, declaration requests, and the quantity/geography of teams. Once we create a draft, that is routed to the other AGC's/members of the Select Committee for input. After that catchball process, we then generate schedules using the AGC/Affinity system. This system uses blackout dates submitted by team admins then generates a schedule. There is a good bit of manual work during this process (games that the system doesn't schedule after running it a few times). Unfortunately, we are a bit of a first line of defense for basic Athena/Classic questions. This is probably one of the greater frustrations that I have with the role. Team Managers or Coaches often come to me with questions or requests that would be better suited for their club's DOC. Probably the majority of these types of requests come from clubs that have multiple DOC's within their club (e.g., Athena DOC, Boys Academy DOC, etc).
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Post by slickdaddy96 on May 15, 2018 12:15:56 GMT -5
What exactly is your role and responsibility/areas of oversight as an AGC? Age Group Coordinator handles placement, schedule creation, and rescheduling coordination. Initial placement process basically is a draft created by the previous records, roster continuity, declaration requests, and the quantity/geography of teams. Once we create a draft, that is routed to the other AGC's/members of the Select Committee for input. After that catchball process, we then generate schedules using the AGC/Affinity system. This system uses blackout dates submitted by team admins then generates a schedule. There is a good bit of manual work during this process (games that the system doesn't schedule after running it a few times). Unfortunately, we are a bit of a first line of defense for basic Athena/Classic questions. This is probably one of the greater frustrations that I have with the role. Team Managers or Coaches often come to me with questions or requests that would be better suited for their club's DOC. Probably the majority of these types of requests come from clubs that have multiple DOC's within their club (e.g., Athena DOC, Boys Academy DOC, etc). I'll keep that in mind next year when our team moves from Academy to Select.
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Post by georgiasoccer411 on May 15, 2018 16:31:49 GMT -5
Are placements decided by committee or individuals?
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Post by soccerdad23 on May 16, 2018 8:09:39 GMT -5
AGC - Thanks for being open for questions.
This was buried in another discussion.. I am interested in your perspective as to where oversight comes from(or should be).
Comment 1 Funny enough, KSA has a chance to tie for the lead if they beat Norcross. But it will not actually be the KSA team playing the final game. Instead it seems that all Spring season KSA has brought in players from the GA Storm RPL team in order to finish higher in the standings and use this to recruit.'
If you look at the scoring statistics, KSA has scored 40 goals in the spring. Their top goal scorer though only shows 3 goals. Plus they list 38 players on their roster. It seems that it is not illegal for GA Storm players to guest play with KSA since the clubs are affiliated and RPL is considered a different league than Classic 1. It helps figuring this all out when the u13 boys age coordinator is associated with GA Storm and KSA.
Comment 2 [KSA/ Storm are up to a lot of tricky stuff with their new alliance. Rumor has it they are also playing much older in age players down. Not cool ]
Comment 3/Question I believe this to be 100% true as well - a)shady stuff between GA Storm/KSA + b)older players playing down. Real question - what triggers some oversight for club actions like this?
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Post by slickdaddy96 on May 16, 2018 12:30:57 GMT -5
AGC - Thanks for being open for questions. This was buried in another discussion.. I am interested in your perspective as to where oversight comes from(or should be). Comment 1 Funny enough, KSA has a chance to tie for the lead if they beat Norcross. But it will not actually be the KSA team playing the final game. Instead it seems that all Spring season KSA has brought in players from the GA Storm RPL team in order to finish higher in the standings and use this to recruit.' If you look at the scoring statistics, KSA has scored 40 goals in the spring. Their top goal scorer though only shows 3 goals. Plus they list 38 players on their roster. It seems that it is not illegal for GA Storm players to guest play with KSA since the clubs are affiliated and RPL is considered a different league than Classic 1. It helps figuring this all out when the u13 boys age coordinator is associated with GA Storm and KSA. Comment 2 [KSA/ Storm are up to a lot of tricky stuff with their new alliance. Rumor has it they are also playing much older in age players down. Not cool ] Comment 3/Question I believe this to be 100% true as well - a)shady stuff between GA Storm/KSA + b)older players playing down. Real question - what triggers some oversight for club actions like this? Wow! How do they get away with playing older kids down a level in Select unless they are using fake birth certificates, or the registrar for the club is falsifying their birthdate in Affinity GA Soccer system. I can see this happening in Academy where all games are friendlies. I think it is given in Academy that happens all the time, but I thought Select has more oversight with GA Soccer since it is directly run by GA Soccer? The playing RPL, NPL, DA players on Classic teams to keep better positions and not be relegated is bad for the Classic system. Why won't GA Soccer do something about this by restricting RPL, NPL, or DA players from playing on the Classic team, or limit them to 1-2 players at most. I understand kids that drop down a team for whatever legitimate reasons such as playing time or whatever, but for clubs to game the system by replacing the kids that have been playing on those teams all season is pretty crappy. I wonder what the parents of the kids that get displaced on that team think? Why would they stay with a club that does that to their kid?
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Post by docnfulton on May 16, 2018 18:53:41 GMT -5
Are placements decided by committee or individuals? Draft is individual then routed through Select committee who provide feedback for revisions
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Post by docnfulton on May 16, 2018 18:58:45 GMT -5
AGC - Thanks for being open for questions. This was buried in another discussion.. I am interested in your perspective as to where oversight comes from(or should be). Comment 1 Funny enough, KSA has a chance to tie for the lead if they beat Norcross. But it will not actually be the KSA team playing the final game. Instead it seems that all Spring season KSA has brought in players from the GA Storm RPL team in order to finish higher in the standings and use this to recruit.' If you look at the scoring statistics, KSA has scored 40 goals in the spring. Their top goal scorer though only shows 3 goals. Plus they list 38 players on their roster. It seems that it is not illegal for GA Storm players to guest play with KSA since the clubs are affiliated and RPL is considered a different league than Classic 1. It helps figuring this all out when the u13 boys age coordinator is associated with GA Storm and KSA. Comment 2 [KSA/ Storm are up to a lot of tricky stuff with their new alliance. Rumor has it they are also playing much older in age players down. Not cool ] Comment 3/Question I believe this to be 100% true as well - a)shady stuff between GA Storm/KSA + b)older players playing down. Real question - what triggers some oversight for club actions like this? AGC's aren't police just admins and helpers. It is up to individual/team/club to file E&G complaint which then is ruled on by a committee. To the 38 players on roster there is limit on roster in system much less than 38. I'm not familiar enough with RPL vs Classic/Athena rostering in system to speak to that piece
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Post by surgesoccer on May 16, 2018 20:28:58 GMT -5
AGC - Thanks for being open for questions. This was buried in another discussion.. I am interested in your perspective as to where oversight comes from(or should be). Comment 1 Funny enough, KSA has a chance to tie for the lead if they beat Norcross. But it will not actually be the KSA team playing the final game. Instead it seems that all Spring season KSA has brought in players from the GA Storm RPL team in order to finish higher in the standings and use this to recruit.' If you look at the scoring statistics, KSA has scored 40 goals in the spring. Their top goal scorer though only shows 3 goals. Plus they list 38 players on their roster. It seems that it is not illegal for GA Storm players to guest play with KSA since the clubs are affiliated and RPL is considered a different league than Classic 1. It helps figuring this all out when the u13 boys age coordinator is associated with GA Storm and KSA. Comment 2 [KSA/ Storm are up to a lot of tricky stuff with their new alliance. Rumor has it they are also playing much older in age players down. Not cool ] Comment 3/Question I believe this to be 100% true as well - a)shady stuff between GA Storm/KSA + b)older players playing down. Real question - what triggers some oversight for club actions like this? I'm not aware that they are playing older kids down in age. At least not at our age group. I do believe they are playing kids from either the GA Storm RPL team or some 05's from there 04 National League team. RPL and NL are different leagues from Classic/Athena so nothing technically prevents them from doing so. At least that is what I was told based on a protest SSA made back in March. Here are the games listed in the Fall including tournaments: 02/04/18 05 Boys All in Snellville Gold 0-0T 02/03/18 Concorde Fire 05B North White 0-2L 02/03/18 All-In FC B05 Blue 1-8L 10/28/17 IAFC Blues 05B Elite 1-4L 10/22/17 Smyrna SC 05 Red-1 Bellamy 0-5L 09/30/17 AFU 05B Pre-ECNL 0-5L 08/27/17 Smyrna Red Elite Classico 0-6L 08/26/17 Impact U13 Elite 1-3L 08/26/17 Inter Atlanta FC 05B Blues P.. 0-5L Inter Atlanta, both Smyrna's, and AFU are really good teams. The rest are classic 2 or lower. Here is their record from the Spring in Classic 1: 1. Lost 3-1 vs Fowler (Fowler is good and has a chance to win Classic 1). 2. Won 6-0 vs SSA. SSA will finish 10th but lopsided score is strange. SSA supposedly complained about GA Storm kids playing but was told nothing against KSA doing so. 3. Won 6-0 vs Steamer. Steamers will finish 6th or 7th, and are a pretty good team. Lopsided score is hard to understand. 4. Tied 0-0 vs Concorde Fire Central. CFC will finish 6th or 7th. 5. Won 7-0 vs GSA. GSA will finish 14th. Not a great team but once again another huge win. 6. Won 2-0 vs CF South. CF South will finish 12th in league. 7. LOST 4-0 VS MOBA. MOBA will finish somewhere in top 4. 8. Won 3-2 vs GA Rush. GA Rush will finish in top 4. 9. Won 2-0 vs Roswell. Roswell will finish likely in top 5. 10. Won 10-1 vs NASA. NASA will finish 13th 11. Won 2-0 vs Athens. Athens will finish 8th or 9th. Clearly this is not the same team as in the Fall when they were losing to Classic 2 teams left and right. Also looking at: soccer.sincsports.com/team/team.aspx?teamid=GAM058BA&tid= there are now 65 different players associated with this team/ Finally, for a team that has scored 39 goals this Spring, their top goal scorer is listed as scoring 3 goals. Their next highest player has 1 goal. There's just something off. I think they are either playing GA Storm kids, playing kids from the NL team, or both. All in a push to finish high in Classic 1, get promoted to RPL, and then use that for recruiting to bring in better players. It would be like Concorde or UFA replacing their teams with the DA team for Spring to qualify for RPL.
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Post by docnfulton on May 17, 2018 6:49:14 GMT -5
On a side note regarding goal scorers listed in the Classic/Athena stats, I tell all of our coaches not to record any goals (it is optional for Team Managers to do this). Why would any coach want to tell opponents who scores and who does not score goals if it is elective information to input?
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Post by georgiasoccer411 on May 17, 2018 7:08:51 GMT -5
On a side note regarding goal scorers listed in the Classic/Athena stats, I tell all of our coaches not to record any goals (it is optional for Team Managers to do this). Why would any coach want to tell opponents who scores and who does not score goals if it is elective information to input? That seems like quality wisdom
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Post by georgiasoccer411 on May 17, 2018 7:29:54 GMT -5
AGC - Thanks for being open for questions. This was buried in another discussion.. I am interested in your perspective as to where oversight comes from(or should be). Comment 1 Funny enough, KSA has a chance to tie for the lead if they beat Norcross. But it will not actually be the KSA team playing the final game. Instead it seems that all Spring season KSA has brought in players from the GA Storm RPL team in order to finish higher in the standings and use this to recruit.' If you look at the scoring statistics, KSA has scored 40 goals in the spring. Their top goal scorer though only shows 3 goals. Plus they list 38 players on their roster. It seems that it is not illegal for GA Storm players to guest play with KSA since the clubs are affiliated and RPL is considered a different league than Classic 1. It helps figuring this all out when the u13 boys age coordinator is associated with GA Storm and KSA. Comment 2 [KSA/ Storm are up to a lot of tricky stuff with their new alliance. Rumor has it they are also playing much older in age players down. Not cool ] Comment 3/Question I believe this to be 100% true as well - a)shady stuff between GA Storm/KSA + b)older players playing down. Real question - what triggers some oversight for club actions like this? AGC's aren't police just admins and helpers. It is up to individual/team/club to file E&G complaint which then is ruled on by a committee. To the 38 players on roster there is limit on roster in system much less than 38. I'm not familiar enough with RPL vs Classic/Athena rostering in system to speak to that piece Roster limit is 22. There is not a limit in SiC for the number of players that can be associated with a team. Game day roster is still 18 and most tournaments set max roster size for 11v11 team at 22. Lots of academy teams show massive player numbers in SiC
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Post by surgesoccer on May 17, 2018 7:32:16 GMT -5
I would say most of the coaches know who the top scorers are on the various teams they are playing. You've likely seen the kids play through tournaments, previous years, etc.
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Post by atlfutboldad on May 17, 2018 12:22:14 GMT -5
I would say most of the coaches know who the top scorers are on the various teams they are playing. You've likely seen the kids play through tournaments, previous years, etc. Plus its probably neat for those kids to see their name on a website. Everyone in the pros knows who their opponents best players are, doesn't keep them from scoring however. This would really only apply to a team at a lower level with 1 primary star player.
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