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Post by oraclesfriend on May 18, 2018 19:01:59 GMT -5
Maybe someone else posted this and I missed it, but I heard this rumor from a friend last night whose child plays in DA. I confirmed it today with a friend whose daughter plays/played U14 Girls DA at Orlando Pride. Apparently they are out of girls DA due to the new owner (of the Pride?) not supporting the girls DA concept.
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Post by Soccerhouse on May 18, 2018 19:16:24 GMT -5
I don’t think the guy supports boys DA much either from what I gather.
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Post by zizou on May 18, 2018 20:47:10 GMT -5
So Orlando City has the ECNL franchise. The Pride have GDA. That is how the pretty much same organization was able to do both even though they did not seem to have the depth of talent (based on historical ECNL performance) to support teams in both leagues who could perform at a high level. I understood the Orlando City MLS DA outfit was moving to the Montverde Academy. Is that true? Then I also heard that maybe the Pride GDA was going to be relocated there also. So even though it looked like there would be another GDA team departing the league it is really a relocation. I do not know if that is true. If it is not true, then this is another big blow because it is an NWSL franchise departing the GDA. But if it is true that they are just gone, it means the 3rd and 6th (U15), 3rd and 9th (U17) and 3rd and 5th (U19) place teams are gone from the Southeast conference.
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Post by oraclesfriend on May 18, 2018 20:56:00 GMT -5
According to my friend whose daughters were playing both Orlando City (younger) amd Orlando Pride (older) the DA is completely gone, not a relocation. They are very disappointed as she was happy in DA. Her kids will play ECNL this year.
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Post by gaprospects on May 18, 2018 22:07:46 GMT -5
OCSC boys DA is now located out of Montverde Academy, yes.
An NWSL team leaving the DA would be a massive blow to the credibility of NWSL as a league, in my opinion. I don't think the league has a mechanism for promoting players from youth teams into the professional clubs at this point, but surely that's the point of those clubs having DA teams? If one of the more prominent NWSL clubs doesn't see it that way, it could have a very big impact on the league as a whole.
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Post by Soccerhouse on May 18, 2018 22:45:40 GMT -5
I only remember the announcement a little over a year ago, but weren’t the Pride announced as being fully funded?
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Post by atlfutboldad on May 18, 2018 22:51:35 GMT -5
OCSC boys DA is now located out of Montverde Academy, yes. An NWSL team leaving the DA would be a massive blow to the credibility of NWSL as a league, in my opinion. I don't think the league has a mechanism for promoting players from youth teams into the professional clubs at this point, but surely that's the point of those clubs having DA teams? If one of the more prominent NWSL clubs doesn't see it that way, it could have a very big impact on the league as a whole. Wouldn't it be the opposite? An NWSL team dropping GDA would indicate a loss of confidence in the DA program, not vice-versa, since one has been around for a little while and the other is brand new. The news across the board is IMO rather resounding. After one year, GDA is a bit of a failure, with so far at least 8 major clubs pulling their membership. US Soccer needs to reevaluate all the people it put in place on the girls side and really consider changes and new leadership.
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Post by gaprospects on May 19, 2018 0:27:39 GMT -5
OCSC boys DA is now located out of Montverde Academy, yes. An NWSL team leaving the DA would be a massive blow to the credibility of NWSL as a league, in my opinion. I don't think the league has a mechanism for promoting players from youth teams into the professional clubs at this point, but surely that's the point of those clubs having DA teams? If one of the more prominent NWSL clubs doesn't see it that way, it could have a very big impact on the league as a whole. Wouldn't it be the opposite? An NWSL team dropping GDA would indicate a loss of confidence in the DA program, not vice-versa, since one has been around for a little while and the other is brand new. The news across the board is IMO rather resounding. After one year, GDA is a bit of a failure, with so far at least 8 major clubs pulling their membership. US Soccer needs to reevaluate all the people it put in place on the girls side and really consider changes and new leadership. That's kind of my point, an NWSL club does not see the DA as a viable method of developing first team players. But as of now (and the foreseeable future), there is no other way for an NWSL club to develop first team players, at least in a way for them to promote those players directly into their squads. That's a serious red flag for NWSL's viability and long-term stability as a professional league.
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Post by SoccerMom on May 19, 2018 5:34:49 GMT -5
The decision of Orlando Pride to give up GDA has nothing to do with lack of development. As an NWSL club, they are forced to fund the GDA program and they are losing money. Right now their focus is on the NWSL team and making it work.
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Post by aliensource on May 19, 2018 9:45:26 GMT -5
Here's a pro-tip from Top hat peeps. GDA & ECNL do not make money. And the reason NASA top-hat can afford everything it's doing is because it's Rec program is making money hand-over-fist. I wonder what the Orlando teams tec programs are doing? A Rec program tied in with pro teams sounds like a home run to me.
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Post by atlfutboldad on May 19, 2018 13:17:49 GMT -5
Wouldn't it be the opposite? An NWSL team dropping GDA would indicate a loss of confidence in the DA program, not vice-versa, since one has been around for a little while and the other is brand new. The news across the board is IMO rather resounding. After one year, GDA is a bit of a failure, with so far at least 8 major clubs pulling their membership. US Soccer needs to reevaluate all the people it put in place on the girls side and really consider changes and new leadership. That's kind of my point, an NWSL club does not see the DA as a viable method of developing first team players. But as of now (and the foreseeable future), there is no other way for an NWSL club to develop first team players, at least in a way for them to promote those players directly into their squads. That's a serious red flag for NWSL's viability and long-term stability as a professional league. Disagreed. That's why they have a draft similar to NFL, NBA, NHL, MLB, etc. Only MLB has feeder programs, the rest relying on talent scouts that pickup the players from the previous highest level of competition (college). That's the NWSL's model and it's worked for them. Their problem of viability is different, completely based on the lack of spectators. Their problem is that the girls who play soccer by and large dont watch soccer.
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Post by oraclesfriend on May 19, 2018 13:44:25 GMT -5
Girls who play soccer often don't have time to watch pro games because they are too busy driving 8 hours to play a game. Lol.
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Post by atlfutboldad on May 19, 2018 14:28:54 GMT -5
There is some truth to that...but its due to a larger general lack of interest for women in watching sports I think. Boys gravitate to it more...soccer stars, big plays, celebrations, etc. For the NWSL to get big, girls and women need to be interested in it, watch it, attend games, aspire to play in it, etc. That happens, NWSL will have money and better viability.
My daughter loves playing soccer, very little interest in watching it. I'm trying though...
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Post by soccerparent02 on May 19, 2018 14:38:42 GMT -5
Leaving may be a shift away from DA. DA on boys side has proven ineffective based on USMNT results. Womens side never had GDA and look at their results. One has to wonder if there is a correlation?
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Post by oraclesfriend on May 19, 2018 14:45:27 GMT -5
There is some truth to that...but its due to a larger general lack of interest for women in watching sports I think. Boys gravitate to it more...soccer stars, big plays, celebrations, etc. For the NWSL to get big, girls and women need to be interested in it, watch it, attend games, aspire to play in it, etc. That happens, NWSL will have money and better viability. My daughter loves playing soccer, very little interest in watching it. I'm trying though... I was half saying that in jest. My girls absolutely LOVE the Atlanta United games. We go to everyone we can and they watch the ones we can't go to. They watch Barcelona too. I think women's sports suffer from lack of marketing, poor choice of where to have teams and poor venues as well. There are a lot of issues...
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Post by greenmonkey on May 19, 2018 15:00:53 GMT -5
My two cents
Most of us agree that the USMNT and USWNT are vastly different. Salaries, playing conditions, success on the world stage etc.
MLS and NWSL are also completely different. Leagues, Numbet of franchises, salaries of players, practice facilities, fan base, even player accessibility. Go to any USWNT or NWSL game and those players stay and sign every single item and pose for every selfie.
Yes the NWSL teams seem more popular in cities with strong MLS presence. I blame Soccer Dads who have daughters LOL
What was broke? ECNL and NWSL College Soccer Drafts seemed to work. I love the idea of having elite training at NWSL clubs but it doesn’t have to be GDA nor does it need to be exclusive. My kid is not a DA level but she has learned a lot and had a blast at camps and clinics run by MWSL teams and players.
GDA can go or stay but I suspect that the NWSL Coaches and players, the college coaches and players, the elite high school players and the real coaches in it for the real reasons will still all figure out a way to train and teach the next generation.
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Post by gaprospects on May 19, 2018 18:36:46 GMT -5
Leaving may be a shift away from DA. DA on boys side has proven ineffective based on USMNT results. Womens side never had GDA and look at their results. One has to wonder if there is a correlation? The class of NT-level boys 97-02 is deeper and more talented than any group the US has ever had, and they were almost entirely trained in the DA. A handful have broken through at the senior national team level, and many more are on the way. The main reason the WNT does well is because unlike on the men's side, most of the rest of the world sees soccer as a masculine sport and therefore pours far less resources into women's soccer than we do. This is an attitude that is slowly changing, and lots of countries have taught their women's teams to play some beautiful, tactically-sound soccer. This generation of US players is not going to be able to win solely on superior athleticism like the last one, and this is being reflected in increasingly poor performances at YNT tournaments. In contrast, the men's youth national teams are coming off of their best year ever in 2017, with both the 17's and the 20's reaching the quarterfinals. Again, nearly all of the players in those teams are products of the DA, and the majority of them are already making an impact at the professional level. Currently, the highest level girls players are committing to D1 schools as high school freshmen and playing there for four years. As we've seen on the men's side, college is not the best environment for developing players, and with the rest of the world making the strides it is, I don't think NWSL can afford to rely on it to supply teams with quality young domestic talent.
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Post by rudy on May 19, 2018 22:21:43 GMT -5
I guess if making it to quarter finals is the bar then they were successful. Remember second place is the first loser..
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