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Post by Strikeorkeep on May 25, 2018 6:59:08 GMT -5
Could someone educate me what FT and DP mean next to players names on DA rosters? It looks like players with DP next to their name only play a few games where as FT play majority.
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Post by oraclesfriend on May 25, 2018 7:05:04 GMT -5
DP is designated player. They play on another team and guest play for DA. FT is full time. Their home base team is DA. They play there only.
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Post by Strikeorkeep on May 25, 2018 7:15:50 GMT -5
DP is designated player. They play on another team and guest play for DA. FT is full time. Their home base team is DA. They play there only. So where or what levels would a DP player play? ECNL? NPL? Sorry for the ignorant questions, just learning as I go in this new non Academy world.
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Post by atlsoccerdad on May 25, 2018 7:44:05 GMT -5
So where or what levels would a DP player play? ECNL? NPL? I am guessing a DA guest player can play at any level. The DA coach may know the player and ask them to play a few games with the team, or have seen the player at a scrimmage. Our club's DA team had a few scrimmages against both our ECNL and CI boys. So I imagine other clubs do this as well.
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Post by Soccerhouse on May 25, 2018 8:10:37 GMT -5
DPs can play in a maximum of 6 games, and after that a decision would need to be made to roster the player, otherwise the player cannot play in any more games during the season or playoffs/showcases etc.
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Post by Strikeorkeep on May 25, 2018 8:18:10 GMT -5
DPs can play in a maximum of 6 games, and after that a decision would need to be made to roster the player, otherwise the player cannot play in any more games during the season or playoffs/showcases etc. So what is the benefit of this? Perhaps getting a look at a younger player in a combo age group? Giving a second string keeper or striker playing time at a lower level but letting them practice with DA group?
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Post by greenmonkey on May 25, 2018 8:30:30 GMT -5
Great question about what level will the DP play at when not rostered or practicing with the DA.
Because TPDL.
Even though there is a player development pyramid. Not all clubs have all levels of the pyramid or have all levels at the same location. And the way I understand it there is also no guarantee that a DP will actually play any games.
Sometimes the DP's are rostered so they can be developed and sometimes it might be possible that the DP's are simply there to round out numbers during trainings.
And some coaches make arrangements for players to be DA practice players. They will not be rostered as FT or DP but will be pulled over to DA practice 1 or 2 times a week.
Good Luck in the transition from Academy to Select. Its a tough transition regardless and this year even more so with the recent league and club changes.
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Post by Futsal Gawdess on May 25, 2018 8:58:16 GMT -5
Could someone educate me what FT and DP mean next to players names on DA rosters? It looks like players with DP next to their name only play a few games where as FT play majority. The FT is a full time player on a DA team. The DP is a Developmental Player. He or she can play in up to 6 games. You tend to see them more in the Spring but can play in the Fall also. They have to be within the structure of the DA club. So to use UFA as an example, that player can currently be rostered on the NPL/SCCL/Classic/Athena teams. The are many reasons for rostering a player as a DP. Maybe during tryouts, the club was looking to take 20 boys and the DP would have been the 21st. You're giving the player a chance to get high level games and training. Talking about training, a player within your club can always train with the DA team. It helps to elevate your game. Usually, you will split time between your team and the DA training days(2/2). If your a player that joined the club after the tryouts, or if you were unsure of DA level of play, this is an opportunity to dip your toe in the water before fully committing. In my opinion, if you're younger or you're a player on the bubble, this is a great opportunity to get first hand experience playing at the highest level and using it as a way to determine what you would have to do to ensure you make a DA team if that is the route you want to take. Also, it's a great money saver, because if memory serves me right, until you're rostered you tantamount to a "Guest Player" so are exempt from all fees for DA. You're still responsible for the fees for your own team though. For more info:- ussoccer.app.box.com/s/q7yzwj6a5m86gensd1g3itbs1yyb2rhf
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Post by footy on May 25, 2018 9:03:53 GMT -5
All of the above. Also, some kids prefer to DP so they can still play HS ball.
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Post by Strikeorkeep on May 25, 2018 9:10:15 GMT -5
Could someone educate me what FT and DP mean next to players names on DA rosters? It looks like players with DP next to their name only play a few games where as FT play majority. The FT is a full time player on a DA team. The DP is a Developmental Player. He or she can play in up to 6 games. You tend to see them more in the Spring but can play in the Fall also. They have to be within the structure of the DA club. So to use UFA as an example, that player can currently be rostered on the NPL/SCCL/Classic/Athena teams. The are many reasons for rostering a player as a DP. Maybe during tryouts, the club was looking to take 20 boys and the DP would have been the 21st. You're giving the player a chance to get high level games and training. Talking about training, a player within your club can always train with the DA team. It helps to elevate your game. Usually, you will split time between your team and the DA training days(2/2). If your a player that joined the club after the tryouts, or if you were unsure of DA level of play, this is an opportunity to dip your toe in the water before fully committing. In my opinion, if you're younger or you're a player on the bubble, this is a great opportunity to get first hand experience playing at the highest level and using it as a way to determine what you would have to do to ensure you make a DA team if that is the route you want to take. Also, it's a great money saver, because if memory serves me right, until you're rostered you tantamount to a "Guest Player" so are exempt from all fees for DA. You're still responsible for the fees for your own team though. Are clubs pretty transparent with this or is this stuff you need to ask/clarify? For the backup player or kid at a loaded position, DP seems like best of both worlds in training and playing time. Guess it depends on what that other level is that they are getting the consistent PT?
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Post by Futsal Gawdess on May 25, 2018 9:49:24 GMT -5
They usually are and it's a way to also keep that player who is falls short of making the DA team within the family and them not jumping ship to another club. The real success or failure of the DP is based on the trust you have with a particular coach or technical director. If the DA coaches genuinely feel like your kid is of the DA caliber, just not at the moment, they usually open the conversation with the option of being a DP. Never hurts to ask though.
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Post by soccernotfootball on May 25, 2018 10:39:18 GMT -5
So you have to be a member of that club to DP w/ the DA team and the club can't bring in outside guests, correct? How does AU handle DP players?
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Post by Futsal Gawdess on May 25, 2018 11:26:07 GMT -5
So you have to be a member of that club to DP w/ the DA team and the club can't bring in outside guests, correct? How does AU handle DP players? I don't believe AU has any DPs. AU brings in players to tryout, oops I mean to "train" with the current teams. They don't really have non AU players playing in regular games. The only way you play in regular games is to get rostered, and to do that, you can't currently be with a DA club. As an example, there is two players who were with Alianza and a Mephis club, who got rostered in January and are now playing with AU.
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Post by Soccerhouse on May 25, 2018 11:27:55 GMT -5
Only DPs they have are the 2002s. You would need a "pool" of kids at your own club to DP from.
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Post by fridge on May 25, 2018 11:28:04 GMT -5
As for girl's DA, it is more of a carrot to keep a kid in the club and not very realistic playing opportunity. The reality is that each GDA has at least 18 girls on the roster-- if not more. And, the DA sub rules limit how many can play in a game. So, it is a long shot that a club would bring in a DP, and the chances of her playing the max 6 games allowed for a DP is very unlikely barring some extraordinary event.
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Post by soccerlegacy on May 25, 2018 11:54:52 GMT -5
As for girl's DA, it is more of a carrot to keep a kid in the club and not very realistic playing opportunity. The reality is that each GDA has at least 18 girls on the roster-- if not more. And, the DA sub rules limit how many can play in a game. So, it is a long shot that a club would bring in a DP, and the chances of her playing the max 6 games allowed for a DP is very unlikely barring some extraordinary event. This. ^^
So true.
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Post by SoccerMom on May 25, 2018 12:57:20 GMT -5
Could someone educate me what FT and DP mean next to players names on DA rosters? It looks like players with DP next to their name only play a few games where as FT play majority. The FT is a full time player on a DA team. The DP is a Developmental Player. He or she can play in up to 6 games. You tend to see them more in the Spring but can play in the Fall also. They have to be within the structure of the DA club. So to use UFA as an example, that player can currently be rostered on the NPL/SCCL/Classic/Athena teams. The are many reasons for rostering a player as a DP. Maybe during tryouts, the club was looking to take 20 boys and the DP would have been the 21st. You're giving the player a chance to get high level games and training. Talking about training, a player within your club can always train with the DA team. It helps to elevate your game. Usually, you will split time between your team and the DA training days(2/2). If your a player that joined the club after the tryouts, or if you were unsure of DA level of play, this is an opportunity to dip your toe in the water before fully committing. In my opinion, if you're younger or you're a player on the bubble, this is a great opportunity to get first hand experience playing at the highest level and using it as a way to determine what you would have to do to ensure you make a DA team if that is the route you want to take. Also, it's a great money saver, because if memory serves me right, until you're rostered you tantamount to a "Guest Player" so are exempt from all fees for DA. You're still responsible for the fees for your own team though. For more info:- ussoccer.app.box.com/s/q7yzwj6a5m86gensd1g3itbs1yyb2rhfIf its an away trip, the DP has to pay travel fees for the DA team
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Post by SoccerMom on May 25, 2018 13:03:22 GMT -5
As for girl's DA, it is more of a carrot to keep a kid in the club and not very realistic playing opportunity. The reality is that each GDA has at least 18 girls on the roster-- if not more. And, the DA sub rules limit how many can play in a game. So, it is a long shot that a club would bring in a DP, and the chances of her playing the max 6 games allowed for a DP is very unlikely barring some extraordinary event. This is not at all true. Not everyone carries 18 girls, and anytime a kid plays on a team they will show up on the online roster. Also hurt kids or kids who leave the team are also listed. Every GDA team has DP's, its a guest player, in the spring they're used more due to injuries. Anyone can train with DA team if invited, that doesn't make them a DP. They can only play 6 games like soccerhouse says and after that they're either rostered or not invited again. DPs are basically bubble players that didn't make the team originally.
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Post by Soccerhouse on Mar 4, 2019 10:13:30 GMT -5
I still don't understand why AU isn't using more/any of the 2003s as Part-time players -- maybe they were just waiting for now when there are fewer games left. The recent rule change allows them to play a maximum of 12 DA games and then they can be rostered as a full time player. Maybe they are over their roster limits?
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Post by diceshooter on Mar 4, 2019 12:52:03 GMT -5
Roster limits do not apply to MLS teams
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