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Post by oraclesfriend on May 25, 2018 18:53:55 GMT -5
Correction: 5 in addition to most of their rostered girls.....yes. They had more on the 04 side. Quite a few from the CF ecnl team. The first AFU ECNL ID camp had more than 5 girls from other clubs. I know because we were there. The second one I know of at least 3 that were there from other clubs, but there were two tournaments going on in the area that weekend, NTH Adidas cup and UFA.
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Post by soccermaxx72 on May 25, 2018 18:56:10 GMT -5
Agree on the hosing of the 05 group. CF keeps its ECNL team, but its 05 Elite team that would have been ECNL when the CF ECNL team advanced to DA, now goes to the former SSA RPL 05 team. Now, the CF Elite 05 girls who would have been CFECNL girls are hosed right before tryouts when there's still so much confusion about what all this means. AFU ECNL 05 will pick up some of those girls, and AFU NL 05 who has been moved from Athena A to the NL, will get stronger too. Those girls can come to AFU and many could either make ECNL, or make the NL top division 05 team (2 tiers in the NL and the AFU 05 NL team will be in the top tier) and be in the AFU 05 ECNL pool of players as NL players. you are so misinformed, first of all there will only be 1 division of NL of 12 teams. No top or bottom division
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Post by sokkerball on May 25, 2018 19:08:48 GMT -5
soccermonster, the reason I know your numbers are not accurate on the 05 side is because as GSA mom who knows for a fact that many of those girls were over there with Coach Mirza, Hoover and George, and also some of those kids are looking at coming over to GSA too, just having to take into account logistics. The numbers were more like 30-35 each time. I am close to some AFU families from my daughter playing with their daughters through various leagues, winter futsal, 3v3's, SY, etc. As far as the 04's over at AFU, I think they are going to be ok because, if I'm not mistaken, didn't their ECNL just make nationals? ?? Oh, allow me to show you the top two finishers in the 04 age group for ECNL SouthEast: 1. GSA 15-1-2 2. AFU 11-4-3 NOT bad. The 04's at both clubs will be ok . We should agree to post our opinions and views without being condescending to one another. All I'm saying is there are other good options out there besides CF/UFA/SSA. AFU, GSA are good options. Obviously you are a parent who takes this stuff way too seriously. I happen to be a mom who enjoys the many friendships I have made through various clubs. Nuno here at GSA runs a good ethical club and Hoover over at AFU runs a good and ethical club. As a parent, that's all I care about. The reason I say AFU will gain a little is because of their location relative to our Lilburn/Dacula for some of the kids who play out of CF Central. It's only my opinion. I'm just like anyone else here, just posting my views. That will be it from me tonight. All I can say is, we will see how it works out.
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Post by soccermonster on May 25, 2018 19:10:32 GMT -5
Correction: 5 in addition to most of their rostered girls.....yes. They had more on the 04 side. Quite a few from the CF ecnl team. The first AFU ECNL ID camp had more than 5 girls from other clubs. I know because we were there. The second one I know of at least 3 that were there from other clubs, but there were two tournaments going on in the area that weekend, NTH Adidas cup and UFA. With all due respect oraclesfriend and I mean that sincerely, there weren't many players there outside of the existing AFU teams, nothing compared to the numbers that UFA produced. I get it, UFA has DA and its unfair to compare the two but the talent that showed up wasn't impressive at all. You had two potentials from cf north and 3 potentials from ufa Forsyth, one from norcross however, The forsyth players are there just in case they dont make DA and the CF girls have an oppty to make the central team. It wasnt a good showing and you cant say otherwise because the numbers speak for themselves.
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Post by sokkerball on May 25, 2018 19:15:06 GMT -5
I'm sorry, you are just wrong.
But we will agree to disagree and we will pick up this thread after tryouts. Just because you are a UFA parent, you don't have to diss other clubs. These are just kids having fun, it's not the world cup.
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Post by soccermonster on May 25, 2018 19:22:39 GMT -5
soccermonster, the reason I know your numbers are not accurate on the 05 side is because as GSA mom who knows for a fact that many of those girls were over there with Coach Mirza, Hoover and George, and also some of those kids are looking at coming over to GSA too, just having to take into account logistics. The numbers were more like 30-35 each time. I am close to some AFU families from my daughter playing with their daughters through various leagues, winter futsal, 3v3's, SY, etc. As far as the 04's over at AFU, I think they are going to be ok because, if I'm not mistaken, didn't their ECNL just make nationals? ?? Oh, allow me to show you the top two finishers in the 04 age group for ECNL SouthEast: 1. GSA 15-1-2 2. AFU 11-4-3 NOT bad. The 04's at both clubs will be ok . We should agree to post our opinions and views without being condescending to one another. All I'm saying is there are other good options out there besides CF/UFA/SSA. AFU, GSA are good options. Obviously you are a parent who takes this stuff way too seriously. I happen to be a mom who enjoys the many friendships I have made through various clubs. Nuno here at GSA runs a good ethical club and Hoover over at AFU runs a good and ethical club. As a parent, that's all I care about. The reason I say AFU will gain a little is because of their location relative to our Lilburn/Dacula for some of the kids who play out of CF Central. It's only my opinion. I'm just like anyone else here, just posting my views. That will be it from me tonight. All I can say is, we will see how it works out. Do the math . They have their 1st and 2nd teams show up - thats 25 girls so that leaves 10 additional girls from outside the club? I'm sorry, i didnt see it. Maybe i missed it or left too early. I will however agree with you that the 04 team is quite good and they really dont have many positions open so they are in a better position but the 05s not so much. Lets hope Mirza can cleanup the mess Vince left behind. Lets see if if he can convince his top player not to take TH offer.
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Post by sokkerball on May 25, 2018 19:32:06 GMT -5
soccermonster, agree with you on that--I know the girl you speak of and I have heard she is staying. But who knows nowadays. Thanks for responding respectfully. From what I have heard from our friends over there, they really like Mirza-he brings an Eastern European no-nonsense approach and I do think they will get better. This is just me speaking from afar but with knowledge of some of those parents, they feel like the team is getting better, they will keep their best player and gell better. I don't personally know much about the Vince guy so I won't comment on him. But I know of Mirza from several people and he is quite good from what I hear and a very demanding but fair coach. Take care soccermonster and I've enjoyed the back and forth:) PS: I have a few dear friends over there at UFA 05 and a couple over at the Norcross location.
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Post by sidenetting on May 25, 2018 19:46:44 GMT -5
Not at all surprising. The 05 finished 7th in their region and will have a harder time enticing top players to leave their existing clubs. The clear winner is their 04 team and they will only get better because they are attracting better talent.
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Post by soccermonster on May 25, 2018 19:52:55 GMT -5
sokkerball had i known you were a mom, i would have been nicer. Shame on me! My best friend is at GSA and i hope this isnt her. 😁💛
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Post by holding on May 25, 2018 19:54:27 GMT -5
Surprising from the standpoint that I consider AFU a destination club and assumed UFA,CF,GSA,LSA, etc kids would all show for AFU ECNL ID.
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Post by insideinfo on May 25, 2018 20:06:08 GMT -5
Surprising from the standpoint that I consider AFU a destination club and assumed UFA,CF,GSA,LSA, etc kids would all show for AFU ECNL ID. I want to LOL at this but I think you're actually being serious.
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Post by oraclesfriend on May 25, 2018 20:16:36 GMT -5
Surprising from the standpoint that I consider AFU a destination club and assumed UFA,CF,GSA,LSA, etc kids would all show for AFU ECNL ID. I really think that there is one true destination club for girls (Tophat) with Concorde very close but not quite having the depth in the older age groups and the superlative college placements. AFU, GSA, and UFA have some very strong teams in certain age groups for girls especially 03 for GSA and 04 for AFU, but they are still behind as far as being a destination club for the elite girls. That being said the people showing an ID camp doesn't always reflect the interest in the club or the team. There can be conflicts or other issues. I think there will be elite girls playing at all of those clubs. There are many reasons why people chose a club especially before high school. All of those teams will have some really awesome players. How the teams do will depend on coaching, team chemistry, lack of injuries and how they develop on their own.
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Post by footy on May 25, 2018 20:29:12 GMT -5
Surprising from the standpoint that I consider AFU a destination club and assumed UFA,CF,GSA,LSA, etc kids would all show for AFU ECNL ID. No disrespect, but why would teams with DA or ECNL lose kids to AFU ECNL? Isn't that a lateral or lower move?
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Post by SoccerMom on May 25, 2018 20:31:38 GMT -5
How did a thread about CF/SSA turn into an AFU 05 team thread again? 🤔
Don't get me wrong, you guys are very entertaining but why not start a new thread instead of hijacking another one.
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Post by oraclesfriend on May 25, 2018 20:45:24 GMT -5
How did a thread about CF/SSA turn into an AFU 05 team thread again? 🤔 Don't get me wrong, you guys are very entertaining but why not start a new thread instead of hijacking another one. Doesn't that always happen?
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Post by neymarscleats on May 25, 2018 21:12:15 GMT -5
FWIW spoke with a CF Coach. The relationship will be if SSA thinks a player is elite level (Boys DA/ Girls/Boys ECNL) they can refer them to CF. But otherwise at least for this tryout CF will make their decisions by who shows up for tryouts regardless of club.
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Post by hateallthesechanges on May 26, 2018 4:31:39 GMT -5
I think how this alliance affects younger boys, older boys, and older girls is yet to be seen and I am sure it will evolve over time. But what I have heard so far is that starting with the 2005 and 2006 girls (and every subsequent year after coming out of academy), SSA's elite girls teams will participate in ECNL utilizing one of Concorde's 2 spots.
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Post by infoguy on May 26, 2018 5:14:11 GMT -5
Reposting:
There’s no change in league status for SSA. It’s something to tell the younger boys that play DA that there’s a pathway via CF (whereas they could’ve always and still need to tryout) and SSA can tell the younger girls that CF has 2 ECNL teams (again, girls could’ve tried out all along). CF gains by SSA officially guiding its players to CF vs UFA or let them just go without any advisement.
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Folks, there’s no merger or necessarily any advantage for SSA over CF players trying to make their way. Tryouts are tryouts and you will have to prove your merit if you want to stay at the top level.
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Post by trumpetflower on May 26, 2018 5:22:20 GMT -5
original "All In" special announcement by CF said 1 ECNL team at U13 and U14; 2 ECNL teams at U15 and above. a few folks here say they expect 2 teams for 05 and 06?
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Post by fjohn on May 26, 2018 7:15:05 GMT -5
This announcement is mind blowing to me. Specifically, the 05 girls group...No DA now...deep pool of players currently at this age group...some concorde players are about to get hosed...even if they are allowed 2 teams in ECNL...will be very interesting to see this develop. One thing I know, with the details, is that CF would have never done this unless there's a win here for them. There's been a lot of discussion about SSA 05 Girls. OK, in that context, CF will have a better chance of maintaining 2 competitive ECNL girls teams. If you are a current ecnl player ar Concorde you should be looking for a new club.. This alliance just took all of your spots away to give to SSA. The girls DA teams currently at Concorde will drop to take your level and they gave your spots away to SSA for the 2nd ecnl team. They just showed everyone that the only thing that matters is how Concorde looks. They could care less about the kids that have been in their orgicraycraytion if you are not on the top team. I'm sure you all knew that, just stating that the obvious..
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Post by sokkerball on May 26, 2018 7:51:41 GMT -5
So as not to be accused of making this a thread about other clubs, I'll stick to CF----if your kid is at CF and ECNL worthy, I'd leave for another ECNL You've been crapped on.
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Post by girlsoccer on May 26, 2018 8:05:28 GMT -5
One thing I know, with the details, is that CF would have never done this unless there's a win here for them. There's been a lot of discussion about SSA 05 Girls. OK, in that context, CF will have a better chance of maintaining 2 competitive ECNL girls teams. If you are a current ecnl player ar Concorde you should be looking for a new club.. This alliance just took all of your spots away to give to SSA. The girls DA teams currently at Concorde will drop to take your level and they gave your spots away to SSA for the 2nd ecnl team. They just showed everyone that the only thing that matters is how Concorde looks. They could care less about the kids that have been in their orgicraycraytion if you are not on the top team. I'm sure you all knew that, just stating that the obvious.. That doesn’t seem completely fair. I’m certainly not a Concorde fan, but they are trying to field the best teams they can. Fielding two competitive ecnl teams is not easy and they trying to draw from a larger pool of girls.
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Post by fanatic21 on May 26, 2018 8:35:22 GMT -5
If you are a current ecnl player ar Concorde you should be looking for a new club.. This alliance just took all of your spots away to give to SSA. The girls DA teams currently at Concorde will drop to take your level and they gave your spots away to SSA for the 2nd ecnl team. They just showed everyone that the only thing that matters is how Concorde looks. They could care less about the kids that have been in their orgicraycraytion if you are not on the top team. I'm sure you all knew that, just stating that the obvious.. That doesn’t seem completely fair. I’m certainly not a Concorde fan, but they are trying to field the best teams they can. Fielding two competitive ecnl teams is not easy and they trying to draw from a larger pool of girls. It's just the pretryout Concorde bashers. Happens every year and yet Concorde continues to produce top teams and top players. I don't think CF partnering with SSA is a bad idea - it will help in the effort to create and maintain 2 ECNL teams. CF struggled a bit in ECNL this year becuase their top players played GDA, and they don't want it to be the same story this year with their 2nd ECNL team. There's probably only one club in GA that is big enough and good enough/deep enough to create and maintain two really competitive elite league girls teams on its own, NTH, and they were originally two separate big clubs already before the merger. Sure, maybe the bottom 1/4 or 1/2 of last year's CF ECNL teams may want to have a back up plan, but that's the same for any team - honestly those probably aren't the players who are going to make another club's ECNL team anyway, so not sure I'd tell them to go look for another ECNL team - NL at a smaller club or SCCL at one of the big 5 might be a better fit for them anyway.
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Post by soccerballz on May 26, 2018 13:10:48 GMT -5
Wow, is Concorde the most hated club im GA? So many people here love to bash them. Why is that? Former club members?
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Post by rifle on May 26, 2018 13:39:26 GMT -5
The hubris is strong
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Post by atlfutboldad on May 26, 2018 13:53:47 GMT -5
Not to derail, but any club with ECNL is a destination club. To think otherwise is unwarranted elitism. If you're really trying to make the national team, NTH is the place to go, CF a distant 2nd. If D1 is the goal, anywhere in ECNL and you can get noticed.
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Post by heretounderstand on May 26, 2018 19:55:22 GMT -5
How did a thread about CF/SSA turn into an AFU 05 team thread again? 🤔 Don't get me wrong, you guys are very entertaining but why not start a new thread instead of hijacking another one. Haha! I was wondering the same thing? It seems like soccermonster has a serious issue with someone or several (coach or parent) on the '05 AFU ECNL team and every chance he gets he tries to slam that team. Hope he realizes he is bad mouthing a bunch of 12/13yo girls? There are a ton of talented teams at the '05 age group at many clubs and saying anything less is disrespectful to the girls that work so hard..SSA, Concorde, GSA, AFU, TopHat, UFA (fowler and norcross,) Santos, AFC, etc... '04 age group as well. I can't figure this soccermonster out but I completely agree with SoccerMom...it's getting old changing every thread to hate towards AFU. I can see that opportunities arise...TopHat is the only destination club, so calling AFU or GSA a destination club opens that window. They are small clubs and people go there for other reasons. And we were actually at the AFU ID camp as well and there were plenty of non-AFU players at the '04 and '05s. I have heard the same was true at GSA and UFA as well but didn't make it there.
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Post by heretounderstand on May 26, 2018 19:57:34 GMT -5
I think how this alliance affects younger boys, older boys, and older girls is yet to be seen and I am sure it will evolve over time. But what I have heard so far is that starting with the 2005 and 2006 girls (and every subsequent year after coming out of academy), SSA's elite girls teams will participate in ECNL utilizing one of Concorde's 2 spots. I personally have been wondering what the SSA teams would do with this new league and felt like the girls' side were getting left out in the cold. Glad to see their club is creating opportunities for them where they feel it's ok to grow and not feel bad about stepping outside the family. Loads of talented SSA players.
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Post by 04gparent on May 29, 2018 11:24:39 GMT -5
I think how this alliance affects younger boys, older boys, and older girls is yet to be seen and I am sure it will evolve over time. But what I have heard so far is that starting with the 2005 and 2006 girls (and every subsequent year after coming out of academy), SSA's elite girls teams will participate in ECNL utilizing one of Concorde's 2 spots. I personally have been wondering what the SSA teams would do with this new league and felt like the girls' side were getting left out in the cold. Glad to see their club is creating opportunities for them where they feel it's ok to grow and not feel bad about stepping outside the family. Loads of talented SSA players. IMO we as parents should not equate a soccer club with a family. I am assuming that is what you mean by family... Regaring SSA or better yet players in the western part of town, now there is access to ECNL without having to drive all over. No player or soccer family should be frowned upon for exploring oppt if that is what they choose to do. The club rivalries make no sense to me...
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Post by fridge on May 29, 2018 12:48:00 GMT -5
Not to derail, but any club with ECNL is a destination club. To think otherwise is unwarranted elitism. If you're really trying to make the national team, NTH is the place to go, CF a distant 2nd. If D1 is the goal, anywhere in ECNL and you can get noticed. In the context you just laid, out I would respectfully disagree that CF is a "distant" second for national team. Top Drawer did an article a few months ago that assessed the WNT and club numbers and both TH and CF were in the top 5 clubs in the ENTIRE USA. If you look at the current teams it goes as follows: u17 World Cup team--CF 2; TH 2; u16 Portugal team CF 1 (CF had 5 girls called into camp this year); TH 2 (TH had 3 or 4 girls called into camp this year); u15 recently announced camp CF 1; TH 2; and u14 recently announced camp CF 1; TH 2. I'd argue they are neck and neck.
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