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Post by infoguy on May 25, 2018 14:32:18 GMT -5
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Post by Soccerhouse on May 25, 2018 14:39:51 GMT -5
This is very very interesting.
Will make for a very very interesting 04 Boys DA tryout this year as well.
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Post by footy on May 25, 2018 14:47:44 GMT -5
Will be interesting for older age group ECNL too. I imagine there are some CF DA players who will be in the younger age groups of U16/17 and U18/19 that will be interested in ECNL. Now they will need to compete with SSA players for spots?
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Post by takingitallin on May 25, 2018 14:52:09 GMT -5
This is very very interesting. Will make for a very very interesting 04 Boys DA tryout this year as well. And announced RIGHT before tryouts. And very little real detail in that announcement. Per the other thread on CF, I am having a hard time understanding this alliance.
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Post by infoguy on May 25, 2018 14:53:59 GMT -5
Will be interesting for older age group ECNL too. I imagine there are some CF DA players who will be in the younger age groups of U16/17 and U18/19 that will be interested in ECNL. Now they will need to compete with SSA players for spots? So, I do think SSA did this to in fact open up ECNL to its older boys/girls, since there's no DA at those ages. I'm sure CF, now that they dropped GDA, they would love to draw from SSA's girl players' pool. And SSA possibly could be the lead for boys' ECNL? Yes, the SSA boys would compete, and the result would be a stronger team for both sides (IMO).
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Post by takingitallin on May 25, 2018 14:57:08 GMT -5
Will be interesting for older age group ECNL too. I imagine there are some CF DA players who will be in the younger age groups of U16/17 and U18/19 that will be interested in ECNL. Now they will need to compete with SSA players for spots? So, I do think SSA did this to in fact open up ECNL to its older boys/girls, since there's no DA at those ages. I'm sure CF, now that they dropped GDA, they would love to draw from SSA's girl players' pool. And SSA possibly could be the lead for boys' ECNL? Yes, the SSA boys would compete, and the result would be a stronger team for both sides (IMO). But why would CF want to draw from SSA girls pool when they now have less elite spots to offer by giving up DA? Unless they anticipate losing a lot of girls, I can’t see the advantage to CF players in doing this because now there is more competition for less spots. What am I missing?
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Post by footy on May 25, 2018 14:58:23 GMT -5
Would be nice to know how many ECNL teams for each age group, where they will train, who will coach. I wouldn't hold my breath though.
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Post by fanatic21 on May 25, 2018 15:16:43 GMT -5
Think Concorde/SSA will have 2 Girls ECNL teams in each age group.
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Post by infoguy on May 25, 2018 15:51:14 GMT -5
Think Concorde/SSA will have 2 Girls ECNL teams in each age group. Maybe for boys too.
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Post by infoguy on May 25, 2018 15:52:57 GMT -5
So, I do think SSA did this to in fact open up ECNL to its older boys/girls, since there's no DA at those ages. I'm sure CF, now that they dropped GDA, they would love to draw from SSA's girl players' pool. And SSA possibly could be the lead for boys' ECNL? Yes, the SSA boys would compete, and the result would be a stronger team for both sides (IMO). But why would CF want to draw from SSA girls pool when they now have less elite spots to offer by giving up DA? Unless they anticipate losing a lot of girls, I can’t see the advantage to CF players in doing this because now there is more competition for less spots. What am I missing? So, I did ask myself the question: What's in it for CF? I think if they want 2 ECNL teams on girls' side, and a solid and competitive 2 teams, then drawing from SSA girls' pool would be extremely beneficial.
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Post by nani17 on May 25, 2018 15:55:36 GMT -5
Good thing Chelsea is a Nike Club now!
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Post by TheMadOx on May 25, 2018 15:57:02 GMT -5
This announcement is mind blowing to me. Specifically, the 05 girls group...No DA now...deep pool of players currently at this age group...some concorde players are about to get hosed...even if they are allowed 2 teams in ECNL...will be very interesting to see this develop.
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Post by infoguy on May 25, 2018 16:06:18 GMT -5
This announcement is mind blowing to me. Specifically, the 05 girls group...No DA now...deep pool of players currently at this age group...some concorde players are about to get hosed...even if they are allowed 2 teams in ECNL...will be very interesting to see this develop. One thing I know, with the details, is that CF would have never done this unless there's a win here for them. There's been a lot of discussion about SSA 05 Girls. OK, in that context, CF will have a better chance of maintaining 2 competitive ECNL girls teams.
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Post by nani17 on May 25, 2018 16:15:29 GMT -5
Not 100% familiar with these clubs, but does CF get access to the SSA fields as a draw? I know it’s not a merger but maybe they can play at some of the turf fields on Cobb as needed!
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Post by Futsal Gawdess on May 25, 2018 16:25:23 GMT -5
Pros n Cons
CF gains in having a stronger DA squad, especially after U14 CF gains in having real fields now, with one being turfed CF gains in being back in the conversation and making in-roads further into Cobb CF gains in potentially have two strong ECNL teams CF gains in now having a foothold in NPL
SSA gains in having a pathway for their U14+ boys DA SSA gains in having a more elite soccer league than NPL for their girls
The losers are the parents/players at CF who were top dogs but now have to contend with having to now re-fight for the top spot against incoming and hungry SSA players and those that may have to travel further if CF/SSA agree to move some of their practices to SSA only fields. Finally, the losers are the NPL who would have had first dibs at the SSA top players but now could potentially get their second/third level players.
New SCCL pathway(remember TPDL)
Girls ECNL A(CF/SSA) ECNL B(CF/SSA) NPL (CF/SSA) SCCL (CF & SSA) Academy/Athena/Select/Georgia Soccer
Boys DA (CF/SSA) ECNL (CF/SSA NPL (CF/SSA) SCCL (CF & SSA) Academy/Athena/Select/Georgia Soccer
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Post by atv on May 25, 2018 16:32:45 GMT -5
Didn’t see this coming. There is no downside here as its an alliance not a merger. Top players will win
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Post by Futsal Gawdess on May 25, 2018 16:45:44 GMT -5
What I find annoying about this announcement is how uninformative it is and how bad the timing is. I say bad because they did not give the parents on both sides any chance to digest, play out scenarios and ask pertinent questions about the logistics of how things are going to be:
DA Safe to say the boys trying out for U15 and older will go to CF Central, is that where they'll practice? What about coaching, any changes. Was there a DA ID Camp where both sides could send their boys so everyone gets an idea as to where they stand and know if there is a legitimate chance of making the team.
ECNL Where will the tryouts be and where will they practice out of? Will they house one at CF and the other at SSA? Who will coach, is there one big tryout and the first 20 are on the ECNL A and next 20 on the ECNL B?
NPL Who will be the coach for NPL and again where will they tryout and where will they practice? Will it still be housed at SSA or was CF able to snag that in the alliance?
You get the gist.
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Post by infoguy on May 25, 2018 16:48:35 GMT -5
There’s no change in league status for SSA. It’s something to tell the younger boys that play DA that there’s a pathway via CF (whereas they could’ve always and still need to tryout) and SSA can tell the younger girls that CF has 2 ECNL teams (again, girls could’ve tried out all along). CF gains by SSA officially guiding its players to CF vs UFA or let them just go without any advisement.
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Post by soccerfan30 on May 25, 2018 16:50:25 GMT -5
What I find annoying about this announcement is how uninformative it is and how bad the timing is. I say bad because they did not give the parents on both sides any chance to digest, play out scenarios and ask pertinent questions about the logistics of how things are going to be: DA Safe to say the boys trying out for U15 and older will go to CF Central, is that where they'll practice? What about coaching, any changes. Was there a DA ID Camp where both sides could send their boys so everyone gets an idea as to where they stand and know if there is a legitimate chance of making the team. ECNL Where will the tryouts be and where will they practice out of? Will they house one at CF and the other at SSA? Who will coach, is there one big tryout and the first 20 are on the ECNL A and next 20 on the ECNL B? NPL Who will be the coach for NPL and again where will they tryout and where will they practice? Will it still be housed at SSA or was CF able to snag that in the alliance? You get the gist. And you're surprised by this? The same club that waited until the last possible minute to publicly announce they were not offering Girls DA when everyone else knew for weeks?
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Post by sidenetting on May 25, 2018 16:53:06 GMT -5
This announcement is mind blowing to me. Specifically, the 05 girls group...No DA now...deep pool of players currently at this age group...some concorde players are about to get hosed...even if they are allowed 2 teams in ECNL...will be very interesting to see this develop. How will the C.F. boys/girls get hosed? Please explain further as I am new to all this soccer turf war stuff.
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Post by Lady Soccer Whistledown on May 25, 2018 17:00:12 GMT -5
So, I do think SSA did this to in fact open up ECNL to its older boys/girls, since there's no DA at those ages. I'm sure CF, now that they dropped GDA, they would love to draw from SSA's girl players' pool. And SSA possibly could be the lead for boys' ECNL? Yes, the SSA boys would compete, and the result would be a stronger team for both sides (IMO). But why would CF want to draw from SSA girls pool when they now have less elite spots to offer by giving up DA? Unless they anticipate losing a lot of girls, I can’t see the advantage to CF players in doing this because now there is more competition for less spots. What am I missing? They need to fill 2 teams of ECNL teams per age group. SSA is losing girls to ECNL and DA, so its a shared benefit. CF also gains usage of turf fields.
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Post by Lady Soccer Whistledown on May 25, 2018 17:05:05 GMT -5
This announcement is mind blowing to me. Specifically, the 05 girls group...No DA now...deep pool of players currently at this age group...some concorde players are about to get hosed...even if they are allowed 2 teams in ECNL...will be very interesting to see this develop. How will the C.F. boys/girls get hosed? Please explain further as I am new to all this soccer turf war stuff. At the 06/05 age group SSA and CF will keep their own perspective teams with the ECNL Label. Now if a kid from SSA chooses to want to come to CF tryouts and be on that ECNL team then it is free pickings. But at u15 and above they will all have 1 tryout and its fair game for all from within both clubs and from outside.
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Post by Futsal Gawdess on May 25, 2018 17:18:43 GMT -5
If I were a parent/player that could make the CF DA team earlier and as long as the travel wasn't too prohibitive, I would make the move now. It gives me a leg up for when SSA ages out of DA
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Post by SoccerMom on May 25, 2018 17:30:14 GMT -5
I believe it will be more of a DP situation, where SSA is like a pool for CF to invite kids from. The kids will still be SSA players but can club pass when needed. SSA can also do the same with players for NPL.
Of course there are no guarantees that CF won't "recruit" those players the year after. But thats a risk you take when you make a deal with the devil (I don't mean it literally)
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Post by sokkerball on May 25, 2018 17:36:16 GMT -5
How will the C.F. boys/girls get hosed? Please explain further as I am new to all this soccer turf war stuff. At the 06/05 age group SSA and CF will keep their own perspective teams with the ECNL Label. Now if a kid from SSA chooses to want to come to CF tryouts and be on that ECNL team then it is free pickings. But at u15 and above they will all have 1 tryout and its fair game for all from within both clubs and from outside.
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Post by sokkerball on May 25, 2018 17:44:21 GMT -5
Agree on the hosing of the 05 group. CF keeps its ECNL team, but its 05 Elite team that would have been ECNL when the CF ECNL team advanced to DA, now goes to the former SSA RPL 05 team. Now, the CF Elite 05 girls who would have been CFECNL girls are hosed right before tryouts when there's still so much confusion about what all this means.
AFU ECNL 05 will pick up some of those girls, and AFU NL 05 who has been moved from Athena A to the NL, will get stronger too. Those girls can come to AFU and many could either make ECNL, or make the NL top division 05 team (2 tiers in the NL and the AFU 05 NL team will be in the top tier) and be in the AFU 05 ECNL pool of players as NL players.
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Post by soccermonster on May 25, 2018 18:15:46 GMT -5
Agree on the hosing of the 05 group. CF keeps its ECNL team, but its 05 Elite team that would have been ECNL when the CF ECNL team advanced to DA, now goes to the former SSA RPL 05 team. Now, the CF Elite 05 girls who would have been CFECNL girls are hosed right before tryouts when there's still so much confusion about what all this means. AFU ECNL 05 will pick up some of those girls, and AFU NL 05 who has been moved from Athena A to the NL, will get stronger too. Those girls can come to AFU and many could either make ECNL, or make the NL top division 05 team (2 tiers in the NL and the AFU 05 NL team will be in the top tier) and be in the AFU 05 ECNL pool of players as NL playgers. You mean the same AFU that had 5 girls show up at the 05 Id camp and the less than 10 girls that showed up for 04? You must be confused with UFA because they had 80+ girls?
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Post by holding on May 25, 2018 18:37:35 GMT -5
Are you saying AFU held an ECNL ID camp and 5 girls showed up as 05's for it?
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Post by soccermonster on May 25, 2018 18:46:23 GMT -5
Correction: 5 in addition to most of their rostered girls.....yes.
They had more on the 04 side. Quite a few from the CF ecnl team.
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Post by holding on May 25, 2018 18:53:26 GMT -5
Very surprising.
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