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Post by be real on Jun 5, 2018 8:49:46 GMT -5
Thoughts to ponder. Time will reveal all.
UFA - How many UFA DA 03's make the combined age group? - How many UFA DA 02's get cut? - How many of the GA United 02's get called back? - How many UFA RPL 02's get moved up to DA?
CF - How many CF DA 03's make the combined age group? - How many CF DA 02's choose to go to UFA? - How many CF ECNL 02's get moved up to DA?
AU How many AU DA 03's make the combined age group? - How many AU non-DA 02's make the combined age group? - How many AU non-DA 02's go to CF? - How many AU non-DA 02's to go UFA?
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Post by soccerphoenix on Jun 5, 2018 11:19:32 GMT -5
Thoughts to ponder. Time will reveal all. UFA - How many UFA DA 03's make the combined age group? - How many UFA DA 02's get cut? - How many of the GA United 02's get called back? - How many UFA RPL 02's get moved up to DA? CF - How many CF DA 03's make the combined age group? - How many CF DA 02's choose to go to UFA? - How many CF ECNL 02's get moved up to DA? AU How many AU DA 03's make the combined age group? - How many AU non-DA 02's make the combined age group? - How many AU non-DA 02's go to CF? - How many AU non-DA 02's to go UFA? It is very frustrating, my personal opinion.... with most clubs... they already have their teams, they are just looking for 2 - 3 players. They usually like/prefer other club's players. There is no much difference between the DA 01/02 UFA Boys and the 02 Premier. Every time they played a scrimmage was always a tie.
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Post by Soccerhouse on Jun 5, 2018 11:43:07 GMT -5
Both UFA and Concorde were this morning correct?
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Post by daddyo on Jun 5, 2018 13:50:25 GMT -5
A lot of former and current DA boys are skipping DA tryouts this year. Some are tired of the 4 nights of practice and hassle of travel and playing or travel and not playing. Some kids want to enjoy the kickball HS season with their friends. Some see how few college scholarship offers are given to the U19's and question whether it is worth it.
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Post by soccerphoenix on Jun 5, 2018 13:53:29 GMT -5
Both UFA and Concorde were this morning correct? I can only confirm UFA. Yes, this morning at Pinckneyville Soccer Park.
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Post by be real on Jun 5, 2018 13:56:19 GMT -5
Both UFA and Concorde were this morning correct? I can only confirm UFA. Yes, this morning at Pinckneyville Soccer Park. Any surprises?
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Post by soccerphoenix on Jun 5, 2018 14:04:54 GMT -5
I can only confirm UFA. Yes, this morning at Pinckneyville Soccer Park. Any surprises? Same old same old ... they already have their teams... just looking for a couple of players specially other club's players. Some of the DA players already on vacation out of town as they already know they are on the team.
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Post by be real on Jun 5, 2018 14:10:48 GMT -5
A lot of former and current DA boys are skipping DA tryouts this year. Some are tired of the 4 nights of practice and hassle of travel and playing or travel and not playing. Some kids want to enjoy the kickball HS season with their friends. Some see how few college scholarship offers are given to the U19's and question whether it is worth it. It's a lot of sacrifices to play DA. Sometimes I don't get the feeling that the clubs and coaches are in it for the kids. The DA machine churns and disposes too many good to great kids. Some will say that the kids weren't good enough. Funny thing was that before they entered the program they were better and now they left worse. Can't be all the kid's fault, can it?
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Post by be real on Jun 5, 2018 14:18:09 GMT -5
Same old same old ... they already have their teams... just looking for a couple of players specially other club's players. Some of the DA players already on vacation out of town as they already know they are on the team. Then you should be thanking them and move on. It's better to know the situation now than to sign up and then discover the true evaluation of the kid later.
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Post by newposter on Jun 5, 2018 14:28:33 GMT -5
Tryouts at all levels regardless, the coach is looking for 2 to 4 players. There are likely new kids there that have already "made" the team. The top teams at each club know who the top players are. A great coach is the one who can get the most top players to commit to them.
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Post by oraclesfriend on Jun 5, 2018 14:36:36 GMT -5
Tryouts at all levels regardless, the coach is looking for 2 to 4 players. There are likely new kids there that have already "made" the team. The top teams at each club know who the top players are. A great coach is the one who can get the most top players to commit to them. That sounds like a great recruiter, not a great coach. A great coach is one that cares about the kids, develops them, and builds a team. Collecting a bunch of top players doesn't necessarily mean you have a great team. Often you have a bunch of selfish entitled players who scream at each other and play the blame game more than they play soccer. Saw it happen this year. The team totally underachieved. Another team that I know had a great coach who worked with the kids he had and developed them. Happy parents, happy kids and a team that grew and improved a lot.
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Post by Soccerhouse on Jun 5, 2018 14:42:34 GMT -5
The entire thing sounds like a bunch of BS to me -- kids are on a DA team for an entire year, train 4 days a week, and have no clue what their status is rolling into tryouts. Sounds like an epic failure on the clubs part. Part of DA is a player development plan, sounds like that isn't there.
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Post by soccerphoenix on Jun 5, 2018 14:43:48 GMT -5
Tryouts at all levels regardless, the coach is looking for 2 to 4 players. There are likely new kids there that have already "made" the team. The top teams at each club know who the top players are. A great coach is the one who can get the most top players to commit to them. Agreed... some new kids don't even go to tryouts, they are already on the team specially if they come from a good team. But DA with ages mixed have big changes.
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Post by be real on Jun 5, 2018 15:13:35 GMT -5
The entire thing sounds like a bunch of BS to me -- kids are on a DA team for an entire year, train 4 days a week, and have no clue what their status is rolling into tryouts. Sounds like an epic failure on the clubs part. Part of DA is a player development plan, sounds like that isn't there. Kids and parents have to read between the lines. If kid is not playing meaningful minutes and does nothing right according to the coach then most likely the kid is on the chopping block. Rarely are coaches straight forward with the kids and they don't like talking to parents especially at the older age groups.
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Post by be real on Jun 5, 2018 15:16:50 GMT -5
The entire thing sounds like a bunch of BS to me -- kids are on a DA team for an entire year, train 4 days a week, and have no clue what their status is rolling into tryouts. Sounds like an epic failure on the clubs part. Part of DA is a player development plan, sounds like that isn't there. It takes very little time for a coach to decide on a player. Once that is done, most coaches don't change their minds. I've seen it many, many times. DA should be called WA - Winning Academy. Winning is more important than development. But you already knew that.
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Post by Futsal Gawdess on Jun 5, 2018 20:38:42 GMT -5
A lot of former and current DA boys are skipping DA tryouts this year. Some are tired of the 4 nights of practice and hassle of travel and playing or travel and not playing. Some kids want to enjoy the kickball HS season with their friends. Some see how few college scholarship offers are given to the U19's and question whether it is worth it. There is a solution for this, it's called ECNL, NPL, SCCL, especially when you're the younger of the double years U16/17, U18/19
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Post by Futsal Gawdess on Jun 5, 2018 20:44:17 GMT -5
It takes very little time for a coach to decide on a player. Once that is done, most coaches don't change their minds. I've seen it many, many times. DA should be called WA - Winning Academy. Winning is more important than development. But you already knew that. True as that may be, could we be honest and maybe put some of the fault on the parents? How often on this forum alone have we partaken in either criticizing a win/loss by a particular team or club. We look at standings and wins against a rival club, or the amount of hardware a particular coach has under his/her belt. I'm not pointing anyone out, but unfortunately, that is the system by which we judge "development" It's much easier to sell yourself as a club(non profit ) when you have a winning record to automatically help sell you. When there is a DA function at AU, last year's U16 Nat'l Championship Trophy is available and present on display.
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Post by footy on Jun 5, 2018 20:51:26 GMT -5
A lot of former and current DA boys are skipping DA tryouts this year. Some are tired of the 4 nights of practice and hassle of travel and playing or travel and not playing. Some kids want to enjoy the kickball HS season with their friends. Some see how few college scholarship offers are given to the U19's and question whether it is worth it. On the other hand, I have heard of a lot of non-DA players who are trying out for DA in their last year of high school. That was a huge surprise to me. I would think most of the U18/19 players have committed by now or are close to it, or have decided they won't play in college.
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Post by be real on Jun 5, 2018 21:06:47 GMT -5
True as that may be, could we be honest and maybe put some of the fault on the parents? How often on this forum alone have we partaken in either criticizing a win/loss by a particular team or club. We look at standings and wins against a rival club, or the amount of hardware a particular coach has under his/her belt. I'm not pointing anyone out, but unfortunately, that is the system by which we judge "development" It's much easier to sell yourself as a club(non profit ) when you have a winning record to automatically help sell you. When there is a DA function at AU, last year's U16 Nat'l Championship Trophy is available and present on display. No doubt. The whole America soccer culture is about winning. Parents are not absolved from this. But please don't tell parents that it's about development when you could care less about getting kids better.
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Post by crossbar on Jun 6, 2018 7:10:34 GMT -5
US Soccer is encouraging a DA discovery model that involves player ID and extended trials (i.e., training with the team) instead of relying on a short tryout where a weaker player could have a great day or a stronger player could have an off day. Atlanta United fully subscribes to this model. The others still hold tryouts but, at least for the older age groups, they tend to identify players of interest in advance, often bringing them in for training before tryouts are ever held. It should thus come as no surprise that the tryouts end up being somewhat formulaic with most the results already known in advance. This doesn’t mean they are a sham or that the coaches are being lazy and just sticking with their favorites. It means that they have already done their homework so there are relatively few surprises.
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Post by Soccerhouse on Jun 6, 2018 8:49:08 GMT -5
US Soccer is encouraging a DA discovery model that involves player ID and extended trials (i.e., training with the team) instead of relying on a short tryout where a weaker player could have a great day or a stronger player could have an off day. Atlanta United fully subscribes to this model. The others still hold tryouts but, at least for the older age groups, they tend to identify players of interest in advance, often bringing them in for training before tryouts are ever held. It should thus come as no surprise that the tryouts end up being somewhat formulaic with most the results already known in advance. This doesn’t mean they are a sham or that the coaches are being lazy and just sticking with their favorites. It means that they have already done their homework so there are relatively few surprises. When your not Atlanta United its a lot harder to pull this off.
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Post by newposter on Jun 6, 2018 15:05:54 GMT -5
So true - coaches at the top tiers of Georgia Soccer know the top players and where they play. Frankly, the players know as well especially by u14 or u15. Most coaches again are looking for 3 or 4 players.
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Post by crossbar on Jun 7, 2018 13:01:21 GMT -5
US Soccer is encouraging a DA discovery model that involves player ID and extended trials (i.e., training with the team) instead of relying on a short tryout where a weaker player could have a great day or a stronger player could have an off day. Atlanta United fully subscribes to this model. The others still hold tryouts but, at least for the older age groups, they tend to identify players of interest in advance, often bringing them in for training before tryouts are ever held. It should thus come as no surprise that the tryouts end up being somewhat formulaic with most the results already known in advance. This doesn’t mean they are a sham or that the coaches are being lazy and just sticking with their favorites. It means that they have already done their homework so there are relatively few surprises. When your not Atlanta United its a lot harder to pull this off. I agree that it's hard to go all-in with this model if you don't have the reputation and resources of an MLS Academy. But that doesn't mean others aren't doing it in addition to holding open tryouts. And if they're successful in finding/landing what they're looking for, then the tryouts can end up being much ado about nothing for many/most players.
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Post by tm02g on Jun 7, 2018 17:00:37 GMT -5
US Soccer is encouraging a DA discovery model that involves player ID and extended trials (i.e., training with the team) instead of relying on a short tryout where a weaker player could have a great day or a stronger player could have an off day. Atlanta United fully subscribes to this model. The others still hold tryouts but, at least for the older age groups, they tend to identify players of interest in advance, often bringing them in for training before tryouts are ever held. It should thus come as no surprise that the tryouts end up being somewhat formulaic with most the results already known in advance. This doesn’t mean they are a sham or that the coaches are being lazy and just sticking with their favorites. It means that they have already done their homework so there are relatively few surprises.
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Post by tm02g on Jun 7, 2018 17:01:41 GMT -5
Maybe they should change the name to Discovery Academy?
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Post by footy on Jun 7, 2018 17:28:01 GMT -5
Another question--how many UFA DA 02's choose to go to CF?
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Post by SoccerMom on Jun 7, 2018 17:52:12 GMT -5
Another question--how many UFA DA 02's choose to go to CF? I heard a few decided this morning to leave. Not sure of #
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Post by crossbar on Jun 7, 2018 21:20:09 GMT -5
Another question--how many UFA DA 02's choose to go to CF? I heard a few decided this morning to leave. Not sure of # Did any go the other direction? I guess CF didn’t have as many 02s playing this past year, they were more 01-heavy. But for every player that moves, someone is displaced.
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Post by SoccerMom on Jun 7, 2018 21:24:56 GMT -5
I heard a few decided this morning to leave. Not sure of # Did any go the other direction? I guess CF didn’t have as many 02s playing this past year, they were more 01-heavy. But for every player that moves, someone is displaced. Not really sure? It all went down today after tryouts.
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Post by Futsal Gawdess on Jun 7, 2018 21:42:55 GMT -5
US Soccer is encouraging a DA discovery model that involves player ID and extended trials (i.e., training with the team) instead of relying on a short tryout where a weaker player could have a great day or a stronger player could have an off day. Atlanta United fully subscribes to this model. The others still hold tryouts but, at least for the older age groups, they tend to identify players of interest in advance, often bringing them in for training before tryouts are ever held. It should thus come as no surprise that the tryouts end up being somewhat formulaic with most the results already known in advance. This doesn’t mean they are a sham or that the coaches are being lazy and just sticking with their favorites. It means that they have already done their homework so there are relatively few surprises. I have no issue with this model. I think it gives a better holistic sample of work for the player to be judged/graded on. It also gives the coach a true indicator as to whether the player is a good fit with the current players and if the player would be a good addition to the team. It gives the current players a chance to evaluate the potential new player the only way they know, by playing with/against them during training. My question is this - why then do some coaches choose to play the game of oh we're having tryouts, knowing they are not taking/keeping particular kids, yet wait till the end of tryouts to then tell the kids, oh I know you played for me last season, but sowwy you aren't good enough for the team this year? I don't behoove any coach for choosing or liking whoever he/she likes. It's their team so they should make the calls on who to add/release. I just have a problem with waiting till the last minute. Now don't get me wrong, I've always been a big advocate of having candid discussions with the coach prior to tryouts. One should always know where they stand prior to tryouts.
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