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Post by crossbar on Jun 7, 2018 21:50:11 GMT -5
US Soccer is encouraging a DA discovery model that involves player ID and extended trials (i.e., training with the team) instead of relying on a short tryout where a weaker player could have a great day or a stronger player could have an off day. Atlanta United fully subscribes to this model. The others still hold tryouts but, at least for the older age groups, they tend to identify players of interest in advance, often bringing them in for training before tryouts are ever held. It should thus come as no surprise that the tryouts end up being somewhat formulaic with most the results already known in advance. This doesn’t mean they are a sham or that the coaches are being lazy and just sticking with their favorites. It means that they have already done their homework so there are relatively few surprises. I have no issue with this model. I think it gives a better holistic sample of work for the player to be judged/graded on. It also gives the coach a true indicator as to whether the player is a good fit with the current players and if the player would be a good addition to the team. It gives the current players a chance to evaluate the potential new player the only way they know, by playing with/against them during training. My question is this - why then do some coaches choose to play the game of oh we're having tryouts, knowing they are not taking/keeping particular kids, yet wait till the end of tryouts to then tell the kids, oh I know you played for me last season, but sowwy you aren't good enough for the team this year? I don't behoove any coach for choosing or liking whoever he/she likes. It's their team so they should make the calls on who to add/release. I just have a problem with waiting till the last minute. Now don't get me wrong, I've always been a big advocate of having candid discussions with the coach prior to tryouts. One should always know where they stand prior to tryouts. Well... DA tryouts are a draw and clubs also want to fill their ECNL, NPL, or whatever teams with talented players. So perhaps getting those players in, distracting them from alternatives, and cross-selling them is part of the reason for doing this.
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Post by be real on Jun 7, 2018 22:13:19 GMT -5
I have no issue with this model. I think it gives a better holistic sample of work for the player to be judged/graded on. It also gives the coach a true indicator as to whether the player is a good fit with the current players and if the player would be a good addition to the team. It gives the current players a chance to evaluate the potential new player the only way they know, by playing with/against them during training. My question is this - why then do some coaches choose to play the game of oh we're having tryouts, knowing they are not taking/keeping particular kids, yet wait till the end of tryouts to then tell the kids, oh I know you played for me last season, but sowwy you aren't good enough for the team this year? I don't behoove any coach for choosing or liking whoever he/she likes. It's their team so they should make the calls on who to add/release. I just have a problem with waiting till the last minute. Now don't get me wrong, I've always been a big advocate of having candid discussions with the coach prior to tryouts. One should always know where they stand prior to tryouts. Well... DA tryouts are a draw and clubs also want to fill their ECNL, NPL, or whatever teams with talented players. So perhaps getting those players in, distracting them from alternatives, and cross-selling them is part of the reason for doing this. These coaches string the kids and parents along and play them like a guitar. If the coach never plays the kid or the kid is always in the doghouse, 95% of the time the kids is gonna get cut. At tryouts, the kids are split out into the chosen and discarded even before the ball rolls out. If your group doesn't have any players, the writing is already on the wall. If the coach is looking at the other group, game over for the kid. The reality is that you have to read between the lines cause you won't get clear straight forward answers. They will let you linger for 3 days if you choose to and dump you onto their 2nd, 3rd teams. See it all the time.
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Post by infoguy on Jun 8, 2018 9:52:16 GMT -5
Don't let these coaches EVER make you feel guilty for not communicating with them and keeping your cards close to the vest. They suck at communication as well, so we have to run our game. As long as we all keep playing THEIR game, things won't change and our kids will get screwed.
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Post by aliensource on Jun 8, 2018 12:58:22 GMT -5
CF 03 DA GIRLS = CF ECNL03a only 1 DA player went to TH and only one current ECNL player made the a team and the choice was a super nepotism move.
The current ECNL 03 GIRLS scattered to the four corners of the soccer map. SSA,TOP HAT, UFA, AFU, maybe 3or4 girls tops stayed.
CF could have made the best out of the A B ECNL thing but played it wrong. With the right coach and transparency it could have worked.
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Post by be real on Jun 9, 2018 21:25:41 GMT -5
Thoughts to ponder. Time will reveal all. UFA - How many UFA DA 03's make the combined age group? - How many UFA DA 02's get cut? - How many of the GA United 02's get called back? - How many UFA RPL 02's get moved up to DA? CF - How many CF DA 03's make the combined age group? - How many CF DA 02's choose to go to UFA? - How many CF ECNL 02's get moved up to DA? AU How many AU DA 03's make the combined age group? - How many AU non-DA 02's make the combined age group? - How many AU non-DA 02's go to CF? - How many AU non-DA 02's to go UFA? Now that the dust has settled, who won the talent war? It might be very interesting.
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