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Post by Soccerhouse on Jun 8, 2018 9:17:37 GMT -5
So we have hierarchy in place which varies by certain clubs: Why aren't these tryouts being held to be more club based vs team based.
Kids that all try out for DA, who don't make DA should be slotted for ECNL and than down the pyramid.
Seems some clubs basically treat each tryout almost like they are a completely different club with very little if any continuity between DA and below.
I've seen kids scrambling that were cut from DA for example.
Lastly -- how the f**k (sorry for my language), does a kid play DA at a club for the entire year, and the coach doesn't have the balls to talk to each kid prior to tryouts and give them an honest evaluation. This blows my mind and is disgusting watching these kids get strung along. I don't care if the kid plays 95% or 5% of the minutes, sit the kid down and have an honest conversation with the freaking kid.
COACHES STOP PLAYING THE BS GAME AND GIVE YOUR KIDS AN HONEST EVALUATION VS HAVING THEM WASTE EVERYONES TIME. If you haven't done this in my opinion you failed as a coach. Sorry.
Second lastly --again I'm fine don't talk to the parents, that is 100% fine, but you better talk to your kid that you have trained 4 days a week for 10 months -- part of the process isn't just cutting the kid but its making sure he has suitable home at your club. Its very disappointing to see kid being told on day 2 of DA tryouts and then left to fend for themselves as if the coach has no responsibility or club with development.
IF YOUR A COACH AND READ THIS AND YOU DID THE RIGHT THING I 100% SALUTE YOU AND CONGRATULATE YOU AND APOLOGIZE FOR MY TIRADE I'LL SHUT UP KNOW!
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Post by soccerlegacy on Jun 8, 2018 9:23:11 GMT -5
So we have hierarchy in place which varies by certain clubs: Why aren't these tryouts being held to be more club based vs team based. Kids that all try out for DA, who don't make DA should be slotted for ECNL and than down the pyramid. Seems some clubs basically treat each tryout almost like they are a completely different club with very little if any continuity between DA and below. I've seen kids scrambling that were cut from DA for example. Lastly -- how the f**k (sorry for my language), does a kid play DA at a club for the entire year, and the coach doesn't have the balls to talk to each kid prior to tryouts and give them an honest evaluation. This blows my mind and is disgusting watching these kids get strung along. I don't care if the kid plays 95% or 5% of the minutes, sit the kid down and have an honest conversation with the freaking kid. COACHES STOP PLAYING THE BS GAME AND GIVE YOUR KIDS AN HONEST EVALUATION VS HAVING THEM WASTE EVERYONES TIME. If you haven't done this in my opinion you failed as a coach. Sorry. Second lastly --again I'm fine don't talk to the parents, that is 100% fine, but you better talk to your kid that you have trained 4 days a week for 10 months -- part of the process isn't just cutting the kid but its making sure he has suitable home at your club. Its very disappointing to see kid being told on day 2 of DA tryouts and then left to fend for themselves as if the coach has no responsibility or club with development. I'LL SHUT UP KNOW! Aww yeah!! Preach!!
Truly disgusting that stuff like that happens!
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Post by justaparent on Jun 8, 2018 9:33:17 GMT -5
PSA to academy and select soccer parents: It is ok to ask for an evaluation of your child from their coach. You are paying a lot of money for this experience and the evaluation is part of the price you pay. If you are not getting a sit down evaluation and/or written report, you are getting ripped off. Not all coaches volunteer this service, so with some coaches you will have to ask for it. You may even have to follow up or help the coach schedule time, but you should get a full evaluation well before next season's tryouts even happen. I know some parents don't want to rock the boat with their coach and don't want to seem pushy at all, but asking for an evaluation is neither of those things.
If you want to use an evaluation as an opportunity to argue with the coach or tell them how wrong they are, then that is a different story. But, I've seen many times where a parent didn't even know that they could ask for an evaluation.
One time, I emailed a coach to ask about my child's prospects going into tryouts and 5 minutes later I had received a 3 page report on his performance, strengths and weaknesses. It was just loaded up and ready to go. All I had to do was ask for it.
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Post by mistergrinch on Jun 8, 2018 9:37:05 GMT -5
A good coach - and a good relationship with a coach - is key here.
I've had years where getting information was like pulling teeth.
This year? Ongoing conversations with the coach - LOTS of information and advice. Just fantastic. All coaches should be this way.
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Post by rightdeadfred on Jun 8, 2018 9:46:26 GMT -5
So we have hierarchy in place which varies by certain clubs: Why aren't these tryouts being held to be more club based vs team based. Kids that all try out for DA, who don't make DA should be slotted for ECNL and than down the pyramid. Seems some clubs basically treat each tryout almost like they are a completely different club with very little if any continuity between DA and below. I've seen kids scrambling that were cut from DA for example. Lastly -- how the f**k (sorry for my language), does a kid play DA at a club for the entire year, and the coach doesn't have the balls to talk to each kid prior to tryouts and give them an honest evaluation. This blows my mind and is disgusting watching these kids get strung along. I don't care if the kid plays 95% or 5% of the minutes, sit the kid down and have an honest conversation with the freaking kid. COACHES STOP PLAYING THE BS GAME AND GIVE YOUR KIDS AN HONEST EVALUATION VS HAVING THEM WASTE EVERYONES TIME. If you haven't done this in my opinion you failed as a coach. Sorry. Second lastly --again I'm fine don't talk to the parents, that is 100% fine, but you better talk to your kid that you have trained 4 days a week for 10 months -- part of the process isn't just cutting the kid but its making sure he has suitable home at your club. Its very disappointing to see kid being told on day 2 of DA tryouts and then left to fend for themselves as if the coach has no responsibility or club with development. IF YOUR A COACH AND READ THIS AND YOU DID THE RIGHT THING I 100% SALUTE YOU AND CONGRATULATE YOU AND APOLOGIZE FOR MY TIRADE I'LL SHUT UP KNOW! From a former club coach perspective, you will end up ticking off your DOC and getting let go if you are honest with your players and they decide to leave because of the loss of revenue. To me, it was worth it because I was interested in what was best for the kids!
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Post by greenmonkey on Jun 8, 2018 10:06:50 GMT -5
It’s my responsibility as a parent to know the difference between asking for an evaluation and asking for a gripe session. Ironically the coaches who have given honest feedback and communicated strengths and weaknesses and plans for individual and team development I have never had a gripe with. The coaches who treat us like eyeroll crazy soccer parent fools for wanting feedback twice a year are also the coaches who need a good gripe session scheduled.
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Post by justaparent on Jun 8, 2018 10:15:49 GMT -5
Regarding the hierarchy of tryouts - Is there a situation sometimes that a certain level team has to keep most of that team in place in order to keep their place in a league?
I would assume that players getting cut from DA would have first look at the next level team down unless that roster is mostly set for that reason. I can see players getting cut from DA that might want to move on to another club on their own, but I'm not sure why a player would be moved two levels down.
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Post by striker89 on Jun 8, 2018 10:26:56 GMT -5
I agree with all posted so far on the subject. For the amount of money that we are paying, why isn't it required that a coach have a very brief (i.e. maybe 5-15 minutes) sit-down with each of his/her players and parent(s) as the season is winding down? Set a limit on the time per player so the coach doesn't get overwhelmed with the 1 or 2 parents that love to talk endlessly.
It would surely make the expectations going into tryouts much more realistic and would reduce everyone's anxieties.
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Post by justaparent on Jun 8, 2018 10:32:21 GMT -5
One coach would schedule a parent/player meeting 45 minutes before a training session. The time limit was built in with training starting at a set time.
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Post by Soccerhouse on Jun 8, 2018 11:03:08 GMT -5
Soccerhouse: Your dream scenario is exactly what transpired at a club called CONCORDE FIRE on the boys side. I actually had that In the post originally and accidently edited it out.
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Post by docnfulton on Jun 8, 2018 14:35:22 GMT -5
Regarding the hierarchy of tryouts - Is there a situation sometimes that a certain level team has to keep most of that team in place in order to keep their place in a league? I would assume that players getting cut from DA would have first look at the next level team down unless that roster is mostly set for that reason. I can see players getting cut from DA that might want to move on to another club on their own, but I'm not sure why a player would be moved two levels down. Roster continuity if 50%+1 at the same or higher play level. It can get complicated when there is significant turnover in a roster and/or if the coach/admin isn't transparent with the changes.
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Post by atlsoccerdad on Jun 8, 2018 17:21:55 GMT -5
I can see players getting cut from DA that might want to move on to another club on their own, but I'm not sure why a player would be moved two levels down. Answer: Coach -> Level -> Club If a DA kid gets cut, and the next coach down (ECNL) is terrible, then why not move 2 levels down to be with an outstanding coach? I think this scenario probably happens more often than people realize (or expect) for smarter players that want to improve. Overall, this year has been particularly rough at tryouts because of DA consolidation, loss of programs (DA or ECNL), top coaches moving (UFA Premier, CF North), the introduction of a new league (SCCL) etc. and has significantly impacted both girls and boys across multiple age groups.
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