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Post by RedDevil10 on Jun 14, 2018 11:15:30 GMT -5
What was the biggest issue you dealt with ? A) Too many kids not enough coaches , B) Coaches talking amongst each other too much , C) coaches on their phones or D) All the above
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Post by Keeper on Jun 14, 2018 11:17:18 GMT -5
Other clubs lying about a new teams placement.
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Post by rudy on Jun 14, 2018 13:08:47 GMT -5
Coach we were told would be our kids coach not showing up for tryouts.
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Post by Futsal Gawdess on Jun 14, 2018 14:19:08 GMT -5
First the fact that some coaches don't know how to count. If you want to keep a roster of 18 kids, you can't offer spots to 19, 20, 21... you get my drift. Secondly, coaches cutting players from a couple of DA teams on Thurday nite after tryouts are over. This is after coaching the same kids for the entire year, having a DA ID camp, having a pre-tryout camp, having a Pre-pre-tryout day scrimmage aka camp and then add on to all that 3 days of grueling tryouts. Just to wait till tryouts are over to tell the kid, sorry I don't think you have what it takes. What the what???
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Post by oraclesfriend on Jun 14, 2018 14:23:47 GMT -5
First the fact that some coaches don't know how to count. If you want to keep a roster of 18 kids, you can't offer spots to 19, 20, 21... you get my drift. Secondly, coaches cutting players from a couple of DA teams on Thurday nite after tryouts are over. This is after coaching the same kids for the entire year, having a DA ID camp, having a pre-tryout camp, having a Pre-pre-tryout day scrimmage aka camp and then add on to all that 3 days of grueling tryouts. Just to wait till tryouts are over to tell the kid, sorry I don't think you have what it takes. What the what??? I agree with both statements. Luckily neither happened to us personally but we know several kids that did have these unfortunate things happen to them! Especially with the DA tryout issue...as most have said, there is ample time to warn the kid/parents that it isn't going to work out this year. Give them a chance to go elsewhere and play. Don't hold them hostage and release them with nowhere to go.
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Post by reinalocura on Jun 14, 2018 15:53:43 GMT -5
Being told by a coach that EVERYONE would be called (one way or the other) and never being called with ANY information. Especially after kid was led to believe she was being offered a spot.
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Post by throughball on Jun 14, 2018 15:58:03 GMT -5
First the fact that some coaches don't know how to count. If you want to keep a roster of 18 kids, you can't offer spots to 19, 20, 21... you get my drift. Secondly, coaches cutting players from a couple of DA teams on Thurday nite after tryouts are over. This is after coaching the same kids for the entire year, having a DA ID camp, having a pre-tryout camp, having a Pre-pre-tryout day scrimmage aka camp and then add on to all that 3 days of grueling tryouts. Just to wait till tryouts are over to tell the kid, sorry I don't think you have what it takes. What the what??? One of my kid’s good friends who was on the DA squad last year got hit by this on the last day even after having a fantastic tryout. Was told he would start the year as an immediate DP which stinks of “I can crap on you because you already play at this club so I can leave a spot open in case I find someone better, otherwise I can just pull you up later.”. Just wrong. On another note, it’s pretty clear to me that DA isn’t about developing anything at most clubs, it’s just the new “top team” where it is important to win now. Seeing a lot of sorting by size and taking the biggest or most aggressive kids while ignoring skill (or lack thereof) and even what the results are in the scrimmages at the tryout if a kid is smaller. I’m sure there are some coaches or clubs that are doing a better job of keeping an eye on development over trying to win now, but I haven’t personally seen that.
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Post by Keeper on Jun 14, 2018 16:32:57 GMT -5
Being told by a coach that EVERYONE would be called (one way or the other) and never being called with ANY information. Especially after kid was led to believe she was being offered a spot. Damn that’s harsh. Hopefully she was able to find a team.
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Post by 442player on Jun 14, 2018 16:34:48 GMT -5
The biggest lie on the southside is about to drop! Someone’s leaving and they never told anyone!
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Post by Keeper on Jun 14, 2018 16:35:32 GMT -5
First the fact that some coaches don't know how to count. If you want to keep a roster of 18 kids, you can't offer spots to 19, 20, 21... you get my drift. Secondly, coaches cutting players from a couple of DA teams on Thurday nite after tryouts are over. This is after coaching the same kids for the entire year, having a DA ID camp, having a pre-tryout camp, having a Pre-pre-tryout day scrimmage aka camp and then add on to all that 3 days of grueling tryouts. Just to wait till tryouts are over to tell the kid, sorry I don't think you have what it takes. What the what??? One of my kid’s good friends who was on the DA squad last year got hit by this on the last day even after having a fantastic tryout. Was told he would start the year as an immediate DP which stinks of “I can crap on you because you already play at this club so I can leave a spot open in case I find someone better, otherwise I can just pull you up later.”. Just wrong. On another note, it’s pretty clear to me that DA isn’t about developing anything at most clubs, it’s just the new “top team” where it is important to win now. Seeing a lot of sorting by size and taking the biggest or most aggressive kids while ignoring skill (or lack thereof) and even what the results are in the scrimmages at the tryout if a kid is smaller. I’m sure there are some coaches or clubs that are doing a better job of keeping an eye on development over trying to win now, but I haven’t personally seen that. Development? Bahahaha none of the DA programs develop anything other then a big payday. Development typically only happens at the small clubs since that’s the only way to hold on to players. The big clubs are all about win now from the get go of U9s.
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Post by Keeper on Jun 14, 2018 16:36:58 GMT -5
The biggest lie on the southside is about to drop! Someone’s leaving and they never told anyone! Let me guess GB opened up his fat wallet to get what’s his name back to Concorde?
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Post by Soccerhouse on Jun 14, 2018 16:50:55 GMT -5
I've heard rumors of Concorde opening up their wallet for DA players this tryout season... and Futsal Gawdess is so right -- not sure why coaches play the game. Holding kids hostage to night 3 to cut them, isn't the right way to handle a 12-15 year old.
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Post by mistergrinch on Jun 14, 2018 19:05:23 GMT -5
One of my kid’s good friends who was on the DA squad last year got hit by this on the last day even after having a fantastic tryout. Was told he would start the year as an immediate DP which stinks of “I can crap on you because you already play at this club so I can leave a spot open in case I find someone better, otherwise I can just pull you up later.”. Just wrong. On another note, it’s pretty clear to me that DA isn’t about developing anything at most clubs, it’s just the new “top team” where it is important to win now. Seeing a lot of sorting by size and taking the biggest or most aggressive kids while ignoring skill (or lack thereof) and even what the results are in the scrimmages at the tryout if a kid is smaller. I’m sure there are some coaches or clubs that are doing a better job of keeping an eye on development over trying to win now, but I haven’t personally seen that. Development? Bahahaha none of the DA programs develop anything other then a big payday. Development typically only happens at the small clubs since that’s the only way to hold on to players. The big clubs are all about win now from the get go of U9s. It's not just DA.. and it's not just the big clubs. I saw that same crap at a small club. There are some coaches out there that care and truly want to develop players, but once you hit the top teams.. yeahnotsomuch.
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Post by footy on Jun 14, 2018 20:11:00 GMT -5
1) Kids were told they made the top team on the first day of tryouts but on the second day, the coach said they were on the second team. 2) Kids dropped 3 or more levels within the same club. 3) Kids tried out and never heard from any coach about a spot on any team in that club. 4) On the more positive side, I know of teams from big and small clubs where the entire top team was invited back for the next year.
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Post by 442player on Jun 14, 2018 20:20:50 GMT -5
Would you be mad if the coach you were promised left for another job after tryouts and the club knew the whole time?
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Post by futbolfan on Jun 14, 2018 20:32:47 GMT -5
Would you be mad if the coach you were promised left for another job after tryouts and the club knew the whole time? I would be extremely upset with that situation. Is this MOBA or AFC?
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Post by oraclesfriend on Jun 14, 2018 20:47:14 GMT -5
Would you be mad if the coach you were promised left for another job after tryouts and the club knew the whole time? Yup! I would be furious! As we said before...coach is the most important consideration
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Post by rocko1989 on Jun 14, 2018 21:48:17 GMT -5
Being told by a coach that EVERYONE would be called (one way or the other) and never being called with ANY information. Especially after kid was led to believe she was being offered a spot. What happened? Did she eventually land on a team, or still looking?
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Post by justaparent on Jun 15, 2018 7:42:17 GMT -5
Would you be mad if the coach you were promised left for another job after tryouts and the club knew the whole time? I would be extremely upset with that situation. Is this MOBA or AFC? I'm curious also. Many of us down here are aware that there are some boys that tried out for the 05 MOBA team are still unaware of which team they made and who their coach would be. I know they are assuming the first team would be coached by Omar, but they are still waiting to hear. No one knows who the second team coach would be yet. If it turns out to be true that Omar is out and MOBA knew before tryouts, it's not going to look good for Rodriquez or Harms.
This all fits well into the original theme of the thread that clubs don't always treat players well during tryouts.
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Post by Futsal Gawdess on Jun 15, 2018 10:55:03 GMT -5
I've heard rumors of Concorde opening up their wallet for DA players this tryout season... and Futsal Gawdess is so right -- not sure why coaches play the game. Holding kids hostage to night 3 to cut them, isn't the right way to handle a 12-15 year old. Have not confirmed this with an independent source, but reports have CF with upwards of $20k - $200k in their war chest. Nope that was not a typo, can someone confirm this...?
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Post by Futsal Gawdess on Jun 15, 2018 11:24:27 GMT -5
I wonder if that sum also covers travel expenses too, or if the "scholarship" families have to come up with those costs on their own? Given a choice, I'd rather pay the fees and get the club to foot the travel costs.
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Post by petrcechitout on Jun 15, 2018 13:59:53 GMT -5
During tryouts not all kids get a fair look by the coach's and the teams are 70 to 90% finalized prior to tryouts. I watched someone sign up a relative from out of town who played ECNL and it was simply amazing to watch. They asked the kid what did you play last year and they replied Athena/Classic (not giving away boy or girl). Multiple coaches said you go over there where you could clearly see it was a lower level without ever seeing the kid do anything. In one instance the kid made a great move and then a great pass, to which a Coach ask for the kids name but that was it. Another coached noticed the same kid and said you are pretty good and we "might" have a spot for you on an Athena/Classic team. The kid asked if they could scrimmage with players on the other side and the coach said no. Every coach see's a player different but if you go into tryouts with notes and recommendations from players previous coaches, your judgment can be altered.
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Post by Soccerhouse on Jun 15, 2018 14:52:46 GMT -5
During tryouts not all kids get a fair look by the coach's and the teams are 70 to 90% finalized prior to tryouts. I watched someone sign up a relative from out of town who played ECNL and it was simply amazing to watch. They asked the kid what did you play last year and they replied Athena/Classic (not giving away boy or girl). Multiple coaches said you go over there where you could clearly see it was a lower level without ever seeing the kid do anything. In one instance the kid made a great move and then a great pass, to which a Coach ask for the kids name but that was it. Another coached noticed the same kid and said you are pretty good and we "might" have a spot for you on an Athena/Classic team. The kid asked if they could scrimmage with players on the other side and the coach said no. Every coach see's a player different but if you go into tryouts with notes and recommendations from players previous coaches, your judgment can be altered. Was the kid from out of town really trying out or doing it as an experiment?
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Post by oraclesfriend on Jun 15, 2018 15:01:33 GMT -5
During tryouts not all kids get a fair look by the coach's and the teams are 70 to 90% finalized prior to tryouts. I watched someone sign up a relative from out of town who played ECNL and it was simply amazing to watch. They asked the kid what did you play last year and they replied Athena/Classic (not giving away boy or girl). Multiple coaches said you go over there where you could clearly see it was a lower level without ever seeing the kid do anything. In one instance the kid made a great move and then a great pass, to which a Coach ask for the kids name but that was it. Another coached noticed the same kid and said you are pretty good and we "might" have a spot for you on an Athena/Classic team. The kid asked if they could scrimmage with players on the other side and the coach said no. Every coach see's a player different but if you go into tryouts with notes and recommendations from players previous coaches, your judgment can be altered. Was the kid from out of town really trying out or doing it as an experiment? A good question. I had to read it a few times because I was confused. First it says the kid played ECNL but when asked what level the kid replies Athena/Classic. Why would anyone do that? Also as a coach, why would you do that? People from out of town may not have any option except Athena or Classic. Even if the kid is a star the team might not be able to get above Athena or Classic level. What about other states? The Carolinas call their levels Challenge, Competitive, etc. Florida calls it something else. Does anyone know how these levels compare? This whole example just shows how closed minded people can be. I have seen this happen at bigger clubs but I have also seen them look at people on their own merit too.
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Post by 442player on Jun 15, 2018 15:20:59 GMT -5
I would be extremely upset with that situation. Is this MOBA or AFC? I'm curious also. Many of us down here are aware that there are some boys that tried out for the 05 MOBA team are still unaware of which team they made and who their coach would be. I know they are assuming the first team would be coached by Omar, but they are still waiting to hear. No one knows who the second team coach would be yet. If it turns out to be true that Omar is out and MOBA knew before tryouts, it's not going to look good for Rodriquez or Harms.
This all fits well into the original theme of the thread that clubs don't always treat players well during tryouts.
Just remember when the bomb drops soon they knew and didn’t tell anyone. This is how they do business. I’m not naming the person. Just wait and see.
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Post by quick on Jun 15, 2018 15:27:11 GMT -5
Just remember when the bomb drops soon they knew and didn’t tell anyone. This is how they do business. I’m not naming the person. Just wait and see. Kind of ridiculous to post cryptically. Feels like you are not being any different than these people you accuse. It's an anonymous forum so what's the big deal.
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Post by Futsal Gawdess on Jun 15, 2018 16:15:17 GMT -5
Just remember when the bomb drops soon they knew and didn’t tell anyone. This is how they do business. I’m not naming the person. Just wait and see. Seriously, I was under the impression that this was a forum to share ideas, rumors, thoughts and any info that advances our lives as lovers of the beautiful game. In other instances, it is used to tell us about a crazy club, coach, parent, etc. In the absolute, we all come on here to rail on US Soccer You're allowed to be anonymous so just spill the beans, stop before you hit submit on a post and stop the crypto-nonsense. We leave it to the community as a whole to assess the validity of your information or not.
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Post by thisonedude on Jun 15, 2018 16:50:15 GMT -5
I'd be interested in knowing what DA team (club and age group) cut players on Thursday night after tryouts were over. And what DA team (club and age group) told a player after having an awesome tryout they would start the year as a DP.
You're anonymous, so spill the beans ; )
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Post by Futsal Gawdess on Jun 15, 2018 21:52:36 GMT -5
I'd be interested in knowing what DA team (club and age group) cut players on Thursday night after tryouts were over. And what DA team (club and age group) told a player after having an awesome tryout they would start the year as a DP. You're anonymous, so spill the beans ; ) I see your point and for the most part I agree with you. However, as with most things, there is that *** and it goes a little something like this. I try not to bring unnecessary attention on this forum to any kid, unless I'm calling them out for something good or noteworthy. This is especially true when your statement all but shines a light on the kid or folks can "figure it out." I will say it's a club with U15+ age groups in DA.
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Post by reinalocura on Jun 15, 2018 22:25:40 GMT -5
Being told by a coach that EVERYONE would be called (one way or the other) and never being called with ANY information. Especially after kid was led to believe she was being offered a spot. Damn that’s harsh. Hopefully she was able to find a team. Yes. She did. She had 2 other offers. She will be fine. I just feel for the kids who may not have had the cushion.
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