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Post by be real on Jun 23, 2018 9:50:38 GMT -5
Talent identification and selection for all "elite" youth teams is all messed up. There are gatekeepers right from the get go even before a kid steps on the tryout field. "What team did you play for?" "Who knows you?". Wrong answers here and the kids out. Why not base it on what the kid can do?
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Post by soccerparent02 on Jun 23, 2018 11:46:11 GMT -5
I find those questions appropriate except for maybe who do you know? As players mature, the top players separate themselves. That is just a fact. Once a player hits u14 or u15, most top teams are looking to replace 3 or 4 spots. Many times, due to a coach knowing a player well, kids may already have a spot.
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Post by be real on Jun 23, 2018 13:41:04 GMT -5
I find those questions appropriate except for maybe who do you know? As players mature, the top players separate themselves. That is just a fact. Once a player hits u14 or u15, most top teams are looking to replace 3 or 4 spots. Many times, due to a coach knowing a player well, kids may already have a spot. Not every kid that can play, plays club soccer. There's many reasons as to why that's the case. Filtering kids out without seeing kids play isn't the right way I'd you're really into "elite" development. Taking a kid based on another coach's recommendation doesn't feel right either. Seen it happen way too many times. I would think that a coach should be able to id talent and make selections based on what you see and not others.
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Post by mistergrinch on Jun 24, 2018 22:34:08 GMT -5
I find those questions appropriate except for maybe who do you know? As players mature, the top players separate themselves. That is just a fact. Once a player hits u14 or u15, most top teams are looking to replace 3 or 4 spots. Many times, due to a coach knowing a player well, kids may already have a spot. Not every kid that can play, plays club soccer. There's many reasons as to why that's the case. Filtering kids out without seeing kids play isn't the right way I'd you're really into "elite" development. Taking a kid based on another coach's recommendation doesn't feel right either. Seen it happen way too many times. I would think that a coach should be able to id talent and make selections based on what you see and not others. ID based on what? A couple of evenings of small-sided scrimmages? Tryouts are not usually the best indicator.
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Post by be real on Jun 25, 2018 8:54:05 GMT -5
Not every kid that can play, plays club soccer. There's many reasons as to why that's the case. Filtering kids out without seeing kids play isn't the right way I'd you're really into "elite" development. Taking a kid based on another coach's recommendation doesn't feel right either. Seen it happen way too many times. I would think that a coach should be able to id talent and make selections based on what you see and not others. ID based on what? A couple of evenings of small-sided scrimmages? Tryouts are not usually the best indicator. Totally agree that's why I feel like coaches should know what the like/need and should be scouting kids over a period of time. They should rely on this more than word of mouth and quick try outs.
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Post by atlsoccer on Jun 25, 2018 12:50:19 GMT -5
ID based on what? A couple of evenings of small-sided scrimmages? Tryouts are not usually the best indicator. Totally agree that's why I feel like coaches should know what the like/need and should be scouting kids over a period of time. They should rely on this more than word of mouth and quick try outs. Take a look at this forum and let me know how well scouting players at other clubs would go over during the year... Some of the larger clubs have over 100 kids at tryouts in an age group, there is no way a coach can evaluate that many players in 3 nights. From what I am told is the players are generally separated based on recommendations and previous playing level. If a new kid shows up that should be considered for the first team, coaches on other fields are supposed to send them up. I am not sure how this is different than taking another coaches recommendation. The mistake is taking a recommendation from someone you do not know and trust. The reality is it is a flawed system, 3 nights is no go for the coaches or players. Especially with all tryouts at the same time.
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Post by newposter on Jun 25, 2018 17:41:29 GMT -5
Many clubs have pre-ID camps and these are generally free or a nominal fee i.e. $10. This gives players another opportunity to be seen prior to the actual tryout.
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