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Post by Soccerhouse on Jul 30, 2018 10:14:23 GMT -5
Lots of required training this year for team managers at our club - The interesting part to me is how the war continues for this as well -- US soccer and US club soccer have similar courses that are required, but obviously they are different courses with different required certificates.
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Post by georgiagoalie on Jul 30, 2018 10:26:59 GMT -5
Kind of a joke, required training for a position people are already volunteering for. I have know TM's at multiple club and most have never received anything more than a thank you for their service. Even the one's who received a token gift card, in general, end up losing considerable money when you factor in costs, time...
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Post by surgesoccer on Jul 30, 2018 15:17:58 GMT -5
"All team mangers only do the job so their kid can get preferential treatment from the coach!"
Heard that one before. Made me laugh. As a Team Manager I probably spend 20+ hours in the summer to get team documents from players, set up our Team Snap account, and take the required courses. A lot more this year with US Club Soccer than last year with US Youth Soccer (although they may have increased their's as well).
Then for Disney usually another 5 hours between registering for the tournament and finding a hotel to stay at. Even for a local tournament it will take about 2 hours of time. Then add up the changed practices, games, etc. that occur during the year and it easily adds up to another 10 - 15 hours or more.
For that time spent the only thing I ever received from the club was an annual Team Manager celebration event usually on nights where our team doesn't practice. I did get a $50 gift card from the parent's one year. I would like to see the club either provide a 10% discount on fees or maybe comp uniforms for the Team Manager. That might incentivize others to step up to be a team manager.
What I do get is knowing things a lot sooner than the other team parent's. And I get the satisfaction that I know the team is being managed well and everything is taken care of. And our coach knows he only has to worry about coaching.
If I could change one thing it would be that parent's be a lot more responsive in responding to questions or with information. Having to send requests more than 5 times is a pain.
What I've learned is that Team Snap makes things so much easier. Now when anyone emails me to ask what time a game is, where we are playing, what uniform we are wearing I simply reply that it's all in Team Snap. Within a couple of weeks the parent's are trained to go to Team Snap first and I get a lot less emails, texts and phone calls. This year I created a PayPal account and connected it to Team Snap making collecting money for fees and tournaments even easier.
Three years in and I'll probably do a fourth. Unless someone else says they would like a shot.
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Post by soccerdad23 on Jul 30, 2018 16:41:15 GMT -5
What does the required training consist of? Can anyone give an overview of that training?
As a team manager for multiple years I don't recall any "required training" so interested as to what this is supposed to cover!
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Post by oraclesfriend on Jul 30, 2018 22:00:13 GMT -5
What does the required training consist of? Can anyone give an overview of that training? As a team manager for multiple years I don't recall any "required training" so interested as to what this is supposed to cover! Concussion safety training for Georgia Soccer along with a sexual abuse training to try to pick up the signs of that in a player, parent, coach etc. Us Club has additional training.
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Post by surgesoccer on Jul 30, 2018 22:15:36 GMT -5
For US Club soccer you have two modules: Sexual Abuse & Recognition and a medical course that has like 6 modules that covers how to evaluate injuries using the SAFE method, ankles, knees, concussions, heat illness, and one other that I can't remember. Each module of the medical course has about 15 minutes of video to watch with a 10 question exam after each section. Not too difficult and really thought the heat illness module was good information having just finished a season of Super Y in the summer heat.
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Post by soccermaxx72 on Jul 31, 2018 8:33:44 GMT -5
The problem with these modules are TM's for the most part volunteer mom and dad's that sign up to do the clerical work, tournament scheduling, collecting money type of issues that the coaches don't want to be bothered with. I find it laughable that you want them to be pseudo medical providers in regards to evaluating concussion heat illness, sexual abuse..all for a volunteer unpaid position. The club should have certified athletic trainers at fields and games to handle those issues.
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Post by surgesoccer on Jul 31, 2018 9:15:15 GMT -5
Also TM's are usually on the other side of the field from players, and watching the game as a fan; not an official participant. This is more about CYA.
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Post by oraclesfriend on Jul 31, 2018 9:44:17 GMT -5
The problem with these modules are TM's for the most part volunteer mom and dad's that sign up to do the clerical work, tournament scheduling, collecting money type of issues that the coaches don't want to be bothered with. I find it laughable that you want them to be pseudo medical providers in regards to evaluating concussion heat illness, sexual abuse..all for a volunteer unpaid position. The club should have certified athletic trainers at fields and games to handle those issues. Some clubs have ATC's at the fields however they cannot help screen for concussions at the moment of injury if there is only one trainer and there are 4-6 fields going at once. Medical providers except possibly pediatricians do not get training in how to spot a sexual predator. So do you want law enforcement there too? We complain about the cost of the programs but then expect law enforcement and medical professionals there? IMHO all parents should be obligated to take the concussion course once per year to have their kids play any sport. It is free and it is short and it could save your kid's (or a friend's kid's) life. The parents are the problem most of the time. They blow off serious injuries. The sexual predator course is different. It is 3 hours. However, given the recent publicity of sexual abuse in sports it is not a onerous task for a TM to take the course, which for Georgia soccer is good for 3-4 years. I agree TM is a volunteer endeavor and you want to minimize the burden, but it is not that big of a deal when you consider all of the other time spent doing TM tasks
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Post by Soccerhouse on Jul 31, 2018 9:54:07 GMT -5
There are basically 2 different sexual predator courses - one for Georgia Soccer/US Soccer and one for US club soccer - both have the same goals in mind - what is your responsibility as a TM to report and detect sexual abuse. You should be allowed to take one or the other, and not required to take both.
The other job of a TM is basically a glorified kinkos and basic graphic designer - making jpg smaller to convert to pdfs, converting BCs and forms to pdfs then having to fix the sizes etc. Turning pdfs with multiple pages into pdfs with single pages. People send you emails with one attachment in each email with scans that aren't acceptable etc.
my question is -- why aren't these forms all electronic and done at the time of accepting a position on the team. And if a form is required that needs to be notarized, at the uniform fittings the club should offer a notary to make the process smoother for most. A tm has too many sign ins now also.
The state affinity system gotsoccer soccerincollege US club soccer sportsengine kick system uniform ordering system
I'm sure I missed a few.
Being a TM for a DA squad is the best -- you don't do anything, club does it all!
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